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ShootingtheJ · Post #121 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 1:53 am

tedbrogen wrote:
emunney wrote:Portland pick, MarJon, Bobby for Quickley and Hartenstein?

I’d think the Knicks could get an actual first for Quickley.

I agree, but the Bucks could get an actual 1st for Bobby.

Serge28 · Post #122 » by **Serge28** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 3:54 am

Of course this pops up on my Google feed now - random Embiid article, but then I just haaaad to glance through it. :banghead:

https://thesixersense.com/posts/philadelphia-76ers-have-joel-embiid-problem

The Philadelphia 76ers are currently 12-6 and sit fourth in the Eastern Conference. This team's start to the season has been pleasantly surprising and even with the loss of last season's assist leader, James Harden, the team appears to be better. One of the key reasons this is the case is due to the new head coach Nick Nurse.

Nick Nurse has been a revelation and it is not just his utilization of unique lineups. Nurse has been challenging defenses by having all five players on the floor bring the ball up to show different looks. By using every player to get into different offensive sets, the unpredictability in this offense has been its' best asset.

skones · Post #123 » by **skones** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:41 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
skones wrote:
He was 16th.

I got the years mixed up. He was 6th in 2022. Point still stands.

Oh, so he ranked higher BEFORE he got his contract and started losing his athleticism?

Stop. Making. Things. Up.

tedbrogen · Post #124 » by **tedbrogen** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 6:11 am

I’d hold off on any trades until they find the new coach.

RiotPunch · Post #125 » by **RiotPunch** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 9:26 am

emunney wrote:Portland pick, MarJon, Bobby for Quickley and Hartenstein?

I wish. No way the Knicks bite on that, though.

RiotPunch · Post #126 » by **RiotPunch** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 9:28 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
tedbrogen wrote:
emunney wrote:Portland pick, MarJon, Bobby for Quickley and Hartenstein?

I’d think the Knicks could get an actual first for Quickley.

I agree, but the Bucks could get an actual 1st for Bobby.

I'm not sure that's true anymore. Heavily protected, turning into 2nds kind of 1st.

raferfenix · Post #127 » by **raferfenix** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 2:37 pm

Horst has beyond proven he does not lack the cajones to make a move like firing Grief.

The longer the Bucks wait to give him a lead assistant to replace Stotts the more I think something might be going on there too.

JayMKE · Post #128 » by **JayMKE** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 3:12 pm

raferfenix wrote:Horst has beyond proven he does not lack the cajones to make a move like firing Grief.

The longer the Bucks wait to give him a lead assistant to replace Stotts the more I think something might be going on there too.

That's one way to look at it, it might just be its pretty hard to bring in a head assistant during the RS for a HC who already pushed the last guy out. I think they're good sticking with Prunty, AG isn't going to accept being "undermined" by anybody else.

tedbrogen · Post #129 » by **tedbrogen** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 4:12 pm

JayMKE wrote:
raferfenix wrote:Horst has beyond proven he does not lack the cajones to make a move like firing Grief.

The longer the Bucks wait to give him a lead assistant to replace Stotts the more I think something might be going on there too.

That's one way to look at it, it might just be its pretty hard to bring in a head assistant during the RS for a HC who already pushed the last guy out. I think they're good sticking with Prunty, AG isn't going to accept being "undermined" by anybody else.

Stotts would probably happily take the HC job.

Post #130 » by **paulpressey25** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 4:39 pm

tedbrogen wrote:I’d hold off on any trades until they find the new coach.

Yep. Doesn’t matter the players, if you’re going to play Giannis, Brook and Bobby out on the perimeter.

Badgerlander · Post #131 » by **Badgerlander** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 4:45 pm

Read on Twitter

Ron Swanson · Post #132 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 4:53 pm

Completely disagree. Any trade involving the Top-4 is strictly off-limits until a new coaching staff comes in, but Bobby, Pat, Marjon, etc. aren't core pieces for this 1-2 year window. You have to make the best of a bad situation with Griff and at least bring in a couple veteran switchable guys that have the potential to improve the perimeter defense. The people wanting this to get as bad as possible and punt the season just for the impossibly miniscule chance that he's fired by January are crazy. It's just not happening.

Badgerlander · Post #133 » by **Badgerlander** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:00 pm

Rolo+Jae+Livingston+Port 2nd for Tre Mann and Wiggins

JayMKE · Post #134 » by **JayMKE** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:05 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Completely disagree. Any trade involving the Top-4 is strictly off-limits until a new coaching staff comes in, but Bobby, Pat, Marjon, etc. aren't core pieces for this 1-2 year window. You have to make the best of a bad situation with Griff and at least bring in a couple veteran switchable guys that have the potential to improve the perimeter defense. The people wanting this to get as bad as possible and punt the season just for the impossibly miniscule chance that he's fired by January are crazy. It's just not happening.

Its not about him getting fired in January, its about it happening at all. Maximize this dumb system and maybe we can make the 2nd round and Griff probably doesn't get s*** canned then. Worst case scenario. Hanging Griff out to dry with no additional help is the only thing you can do with a lame duck coach like this.

Ron Swanson · Post #135 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:10 pm

So again, we're just willingly punting on the season to prove a point? Dumb. If anything, Boston right now is proving to us if you have a talented enough roster, you can still be a top-tier title contender even with an aggressively mediocre/in-experienced or a straight up doofus coach. Overcoming Griffin is an uphill battle but not impossible with the offensive talent we have. Just get creative with your tradeable salary and get some cheap defensive players in here.

mcfromage · Post #136 » by **mcfromage** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:13 pm

Serge28 wrote:Of course this pops up on my Google feed now - random Embiid article, but then I just haaaad to glance through it.

https://thesixersense.com/posts/philadelphia-76ers-have-joel-embiid-problem

The Philadelphia 76ers are currently 12-6 and sit fourth in the Eastern Conference. This team's start to the season has been pleasantly surprising and even with the loss of last season's assist leader, James Harden, the team appears to be better. One of the key reasons this is the case is due to the new head coach Nick Nurse.

Nick Nurse has been a revelation and it is not just his utilization of unique lineups. Nurse has been challenging defenses by having all five players on the floor bring the ball up to show different looks. By using every player to get into different offensive sets, the unpredictability in this offense has been its' best asset.

This is depressing.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #137 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:18 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Completely disagree. Any trade involving the Top-4 is strictly off-limits until a new coaching staff comes in, but Bobby, Pat, Marjon, etc. aren't core pieces for this 1-2 year window. You have to make the best of a bad situation with Griff and at least bring in a couple veteran switchable guys that have the potential to improve the perimeter defense. The people wanting this to get as bad as possible and punt the season just for the impossibly miniscule chance that he's fired by January are crazy. It's just not happening.

It feels like you are the one suggesting punting the season. You admit it's unrealistic we fire AG this year. The current core isn't working with AG. So you want both until next year?

Ron Swanson · Post #138 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:32 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Completely disagree. Any trade involving the Top-4 is strictly off-limits until a new coaching staff comes in, but Bobby, Pat, Marjon, etc. aren't core pieces for this 1-2 year window. You have to make the best of a bad situation with Griff and at least bring in a couple veteran switchable guys that have the potential to improve the perimeter defense. The people wanting this to get as bad as possible and punt the season just for the impossibly miniscule chance that he's fired by January are crazy. It's just not happening.

It feels like you are the one suggesting punting the season. You admit it's unrealistic we fire AG this year. The current core isn't working with AG. So you want both until next year?

Accepting the fact that Griffin isn't getting fired mid-season as long as we're winning 50+ games =/= wanting to keep him around. Dame/Giannis/Middleton/Brook are the only reason we're 13-6 right now.

CharityStripe34 · Post #139 » by **CharityStripe34** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:34 pm

Unless they suddenly go on an atrocious losing streak, there's no way Griffin is getting canned mid-season.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #140 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Fri Dec 1, 2023 5:41 pm

BucksFanSD wrote:I have cooled off MarJon a lot since Week 2 and 3 of the season. I am noticing a trend such as last season where he slowly loses his confidence and his ability to make solid decisions compared to earlier season games. This is an odd thing with him and he just doesn't seem dependable. You don't see that from AJJ though, which is good. I hope somehow MarJon gets his lightning back.

Yeah hopefully he figures it out but historical odds say he likely won't. What's the hit rate of even a rotation player picked after 20? Like 15-20%? It might not even be that high. I get the appeal that if you do actually hit you get a cost controlled asset but personally I would trade every 1st for a vet if I was a GM of a contender.

Theres almost some cognitive dissonance with it where hard core basketball fans know most of these picks bust yet they convince themselves that their prospect absolutely will succeed.

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