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ScrantonBulls wrote:

HMFFL wrote:

ScrantonBulls wrote:
I always expect better and more logical takes from moderators tbh. Your posts always trip me up.

When it comes to shooting how clutch do you believe Lebron James has been when taking the final shot? I give him all the respect I can when he drives inside to attack the rim because he's unstoppable from that aspect. It give him credit for his improved shooting over the years when it was questionable during the early stages of his career. What is so difficult for you to understand about that?

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You have no interest in being unbiased regarding LeBron. Literally just look at the post I quoted in my post. It's not difficult to deduce that he is "clutch". There's so many moments in his career where he came up big.

* 40/18/9 facing 3-1 deficit on road against Indiana in 2012
* 45/15 facing elimination on road against Boston in 2012
* 26/11/13 to finish off OKC in 2012 Finals
* 32 pts against Indiana in Game 7 in 2013
* 33/11 facing 3-1 deficit on road against San Antonio in 2013
* 32/10/11 facing elimination against San Antonio in 2013
* 37/12 against San Antonio in Game 7 in 2013
* Down 3-1, averages 36.3 points, 11.7 rebounds, 9.7 assists (!!!) to lead historic comeback against Golden State in 2016
* 28/14/10 to finish off Miami in 2020 Finals

LeBron stats in game 7s: 35 PPG, 10 reb, 5.6 assists, 1.8 stl, 0.9 blocks, 60% TS%
LeBron in elimination games: 33.5 PPG, 10.4 reb, 7.5 ast, 1.8 stl, 1.0 blocks, 58.5% TS%

Yeah, totally "middle of the road" clutchness. Most players perform like that, right?

TheWhiteMamba wrote:When I think of LeBron, Clutch is not the first thing that comes to my mind. I know that statistics give him this trait of clutchness... but my brain simply can't forget MIA - DAL '10 . I feel like this is a cognitive bias I have...

LascelleL wrote:2016 with that Block made me think. Yes. Im not taking him first but im also very bothered if Im up by 1 and Lebron has the ball.

Lalouie wrote:compared to your average player, that's what superstars are supposed to do

do i want him to take the last shot if i could choose other superstars, hellz no

that was always the buggaboo his whole career. he always got blasted for his end of game choices, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, passing the ball when he spent the whole game getting his 28ppg. many opined he didn't want to be put in a situation of going to the line. some "istas" defended him by saying "well he carried the team the whole game"(which is what superstars do anyway). plus he flat out has NOT been a shooter for most of his career.

so why should he be on the list. we're talking about CLUTCH here,,,not mvp caliber player. as in curry got usa the gold cuz he was CLUTCH

"clutch" in nba parlance means who takes the shot when you need the points

LaLover11 wrote:

Lalouie wrote:compared to your average player, that's what superstars are supposed to do

do i want him to take the last shot if i could choose other superstars, hellz no

that was always the buggaboo his whole career. he always got blasted for his end of game choices, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, passing the ball when he spent the whole game getting his 28ppg. many opined he didn't want to be put in a situation of going to the line. some "istas" defended him by saying "well he carried the team the whole game"(which is what superstars do anyway). plus he flat out has NOT been a shooter for most of his career.

so why should he be on the list. we're talking about CLUTCH here,,,not mvp caliber player. as in curry got usa the gold cuz he was CLUTCH

"clutch" in nba parlance means who takes the shot when you need the points

LeBron= Magic/Pippen

They are game quarterbacks that would prefer the open high percentage shot.

KB/MJ/Luka is a player that would prefer a low percentage shot or tough shot vs multiple Defenders.

There's no right way to play basketball but there is a huge difference in mindset

Lalouie wrote:

LaLover11 wrote:

Lalouie wrote:compared to your average player, that's what superstars are supposed to do

do i want him to take the last shot if i could choose other superstars, hellz no

that was always the buggaboo his whole career. he always got blasted for his end of game choices, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, passing the ball when he spent the whole game getting his 28ppg. many opined he didn't want to be put in a situation of going to the line. some "istas" defended him by saying "well he carried the team the whole game"(which is what superstars do anyway). plus he flat out has NOT been a shooter for most of his career.

so why should he be on the list. we're talking about CLUTCH here,,,not mvp caliber player. as in curry got usa the gold cuz he was CLUTCH

"clutch" in nba parlance means who takes the shot when you need the points

LeBron= Magic/Pippen

They are game quarterbacks that would prefer the open high percentage shot.

KB/MJ/Luka is a player that would prefer a low percentage shot or tough shot vs multiple Defenders.

There's no right way to play basketball but there is a huge difference in mindset

jerry west LOVED taking the shot.
he said defenders shied away from the big play. i infered he felt the big shot was the easiest of all shots...

ScrantonBulls wrote:I always expect better and more logical takes from moderators tbh. Your posts always trip me up.

Lalouie wrote:compared to your average player, that's what superstars are supposed to do

do i want him to take the last shot if i could choose other superstars, hellz no

that was always the buggaboo his whole career. he always got blasted for his end of game choices, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, passing the ball when he spent the whole game getting his 28ppg. many opined he didn't want to be put in a situation of going to the line. some "istas" defended him by saying "well he carried the team the whole game"(which is what superstars do anyway). plus he flat out has NOT been a shooter for most of his career.

so why should he be on the list. we're talking about CLUTCH here,,,not mvp caliber player. as in curry got usa the gold cuz he was CLUTCH

"clutch" in nba parlance means who takes the shot when you need the points

bledredwine wrote:

ChiTownHero1992 wrote:Middle of the road, not "clutch" all the time but not like he can't do it either. I prefer when he just puts his head down and attacks to win it, rather than dance around and brick a 3

This is the honest answer. You don't want him taking clutch shots or freethrows, but you do want him making clutch layups, where he's dominant.




Clutch players would look something like this:

Jordan
Reggie
Bird
Melo

KD
Kobe
Lebron
Steph
Stockton

etc
I left out players, I'm sure, but you get the idea.

LaLover11 wrote:

jehosafats wrote:I remember that last floater off the glass against the Raptors. Absolutely brutal.

Don't think I've ve seen a floater bank shot for a game winner before