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The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1241 » by shlo » Tue Nov 5, 2019 1:07 am

VDT wrote:In retrospect it might have been bad for Simmons development that he was drafted by a team with a more established first option because it made him more complacent.

Had he been drafted by a typical lottery team with no other star, he would have been forced to find ways to up his scoring volume.


Sorry. I don't buy this for a second. When he first started playing there was no established star. He could have established himself. He can't shoot.Can't hit free throws. Doesn't have touch around the rim. The environment he's in doesn't change that at all..
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1242 » by sodmoraes » Tue Nov 5, 2019 1:50 am

Would you guys trade simmons for kemba( ignoring cap implications)?

I would do it in a heartbeat and i dont even think he's that good. A pg needs to shoot a pullup 3 to open the paint and open the game for embiid.

Our window to winning a championship rests in embiids shoulders;we gotta win now before his body breaksdown.Simmons is not that talented and he's afraid to shoot
He will never be a halfcourt pg.

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1243 » by the_process » Tue Nov 5, 2019 1:54 am

I agree Brett has to start leaning on Ben to shoot it some. He also has to get Ben to stop shying away from contact when he drives.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1244 » by shlo » Tue Nov 5, 2019 2:30 am

the_process wrote:I agree Brett has to start leaning on Ben to shoot it some. He also has to get Ben to stop shying away from contact when he drives.


That's not a coaching thing. Ben has it or he doesn't. The shying away from contact is because he's afraid to go to the line because he knows he's a terrible free throw shooter.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1245 » by the_process » Tue Nov 5, 2019 4:16 am

shlo wrote:
the_process wrote:I agree Brett has to start leaning on Ben to shoot it some. He also has to get Ben to stop shying away from contact when he drives.


That's not a coaching thing. Ben has it or he doesn't. The shying away from contact is because he's afraid to go to the line because he knows he's a terrible free throw shooter.


I know why he’s scared of contact. Brett has to start taking away his playing time if Ben is going to be useless.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1246 » by elchengue20 » Tue Nov 5, 2019 5:06 am

I'm getting tired of Ben. You just can't have player who doesn't even shoot a **** 3 pointer, unless he's a 7foot C. There is a reason the league is 3 point centric nowadays.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1247 » by Kobblehead » Tue Nov 5, 2019 5:12 am

I just don't understand why he can't pullup off the dribble inside the arc.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1248 » by Tomjas » Tue Nov 5, 2019 5:50 am

shlo wrote:
the_process wrote:I agree Brett has to start leaning on Ben to shoot it some. He also has to get Ben to stop shying away from contact when he drives.


That's not a coaching thing. Ben has it or he doesn't. The shying away from contact is because he's afraid to go to the line because he knows he's a terrible free throw shooter.


lol

He’s trying to get to the basket by avoiding the defender

Simmons gets called for offensive fouls all the time and knows that the chances of him getting a call are somewhere between zero and sfa
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1249 » by brannigan73 » Tue Nov 5, 2019 5:51 am

Vintage bad Ben tonight. I dont know how the other stars on the team can deal with games like this. If I was Embiid I would have read him the riot act long before now. The whole organization coddles the guy and its not the right approach at this point. He has so much talent but until his attitude changed about scoring the ball he will never sniff top 5-10 player status. I mean 8 shots and six points against the Suns? Forget the Suns record they are a bad team. He puts up 16-18 points they win. If he is one of main reasons they cant get by Milwaukee in the playoffs it will be a long summer for Ben.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1250 » by TheBallsDeeper » Tue Nov 5, 2019 6:27 am

It's time for the Sixers to make a call. If Simmons stays playing like this they will get bounced out of the finals again. They are not winning it playing 4 on 5 in offense, so it's no point having him out there.

They need to shut Simmons down for three months, get him in the GYM with a shooting coach and have him start shooting with his correct hand. He already shoots better right then left from mid-range, and is incapable of even making a layup with his right, so anyone saying that it's too late to change is talking rubbish, and would be happy to continue losing in the playoffs. If Ben doesn't like that he can stay home for the rest of the year.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1251 » by Tomjas » Tue Nov 5, 2019 8:09 am

Let’s say Sixers trade him, what are the REALISTIC options?

Paul - he & OKC would jump at it but there’s salary matching required

Russell - see Paul

Westbrook - see Paul

Oladipo - injured and salary

McCollum - salary and need a PG

Ball - homeless Simmons

Fultz - for the lols

Maybe one of the Murrays but Sixers ain’t beating Nuggets or Spurs with Simmons

Possibly Fox as Sacramento aren’t a threat

LeBron would throw in the entire roster bar Davis to get him to the Lakers

Beverley - good luck beating Simmons, Kawhi & George

Anyone else?
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1252 » by eyeatoma » Tue Nov 5, 2019 8:37 am

Tomjas wrote:Let’s say Sixers trade him, what are the REALISTIC options?

Paul - he & OKC would jump at it but there’s salary matching required

Russell - see Paul

Westbrook - see Paul

Oladipo - injured and salary

McCollum - salary and need a PG

Ball - homeless Simmons

Fultz - for the lols

Maybe one of the Murrays but Sixers ain’t beating Nuggets or Spurs with Simmons

Possibly Fox as Sacramento aren’t a threat

LeBron would throw in the entire roster bar Davis to get him to the Lakers

Beverley - good luck beating Simmons, Kawhi & George

Anyone else?
You think the sixers would trade Simmons for Patrick Beverly lol.

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1253 » by M2J » Tue Nov 5, 2019 8:40 am

TheBallsDeeper wrote:It's time for the Sixers to make a call. If Simmons stays playing like this they will get bounced out of the finals again. They are not winning it playing 4 on 5 in offense, so it's no point having him out there.

They need to shut Simmons down for three months, get him in the GYM with a shooting coach and have him start shooting with his correct hand. He already shoots better right then left from mid-range, and is incapable of even making a layup with his right, so anyone saying that it's too late to change is talking rubbish, and would be happy to continue losing in the playoffs. If Ben doesn't like that he can stay home for the rest of the year.


They need to trade him. The reason I even follow the Sixers right now is because I am a fan of what Ben should have become by now. He's got a mental block. I do think he'll grow out of it like Kidd and Rondo, but by then he'll be a role player.

Ben is who he is. Ben is a star player in this league. Legit. But he's a horrible fit, and he's now overpaid. He's not even aggressive enough. Even if he missed free throws, he'd help by just getting the defensive player in foul trouble and his team in the bonus. I agree that his free throw shooting is more important than his 3pt shooting, but he did himself a great great great disservice by releasing those videos and coming back worse than 2 years ago. Stupid. Shoot the ball.

He has improved. I think he's more fluid in getting into his post game, I think he's a better defender. Probably better free throw shooter. I hate his lack of aggression, and lack of ability to create havoc, and tempo. Jason Kidd created havoc, was always active, great screener. Directing the offense even without the ball in his hands.

Tonight vs the Sun's, Ben got his steals, but the defense overall was a problem. He should've taken a bigger role in locking up Booker.

Further more, now that Al is here, even without Joel, he's not the best option in the post. I think Ben would have had a bigger game if Al was playing more outside the paint (which he did at a great clip), but Ben's game isn't a great fit next to Al either, when it comes to spacing is you take advantage of Al's post skills, which are better than Ben's

Ben needs to be a better rebounder too.

Ben's best fit in an offense is a quick pace with 4 shooters around him. Great pick and pop big (like Al), then playing more as a screen and roll center for a legit scorer. Even then he needs to finish better and stronger

Very unique player, at his best he'll either become a real scorer and learn to shoot (he could, but unlikely). A more aggressive version, more talented version of Draymond Green (but even he'll shoot sometimes). But, a better playmaker, hopefully one day comparable defender and rebounder. He's only going to hold this team's real star back.

I know their record will be good, they'll advance in the playoffs, and he'll play a big role in that. He's really good. But high quality teams can shrink his impact in a series. He defended Kawhi well in the semis, but overall he was a role player.

They should be happy to trade him for a Brandon Ingram, they won't get even a Siakam anymore. He's losing value every year, and he's not into his max deal yet.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1254 » by Tomjas » Tue Nov 5, 2019 8:40 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Tomjas wrote:Let’s say Sixers trade him, what are the REALISTIC options?

Paul - he & OKC would jump at it but there’s salary matching required

Russell - see Paul

Westbrook - see Paul

Oladipo - injured and salary

McCollum - salary and need a PG

Ball - homeless Simmons

Fultz - for the lols

Maybe one of the Murrays but Sixers ain’t beating Nuggets or Spurs with Simmons

Possibly Fox as Sacramento aren’t a threat

LeBron would throw in the entire roster bar Davis to get him to the Lakers

Beverley - good luck beating Simmons, Kawhi & George

Anyone else?
You think the sixers would trade Simmons for Patrick Beverly lol.

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Just throwing out options
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1255 » by eyeatoma » Tue Nov 5, 2019 9:08 am

Tomjas wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Tomjas wrote:Let’s say Sixers trade him, what are the REALISTIC options?

Paul - he & OKC would jump at it but there’s salary matching required

Russell - see Paul

Westbrook - see Paul

Oladipo - injured and salary

McCollum - salary and need a PG

Ball - homeless Simmons

Fultz - for the lols

Maybe one of the Murrays but Sixers ain’t beating Nuggets or Spurs with Simmons

Possibly Fox as Sacramento aren’t a threat

LeBron would throw in the entire roster bar Davis to get him to the Lakers

Beverley - good luck beating Simmons, Kawhi & George

Anyone else?
You think the sixers would trade Simmons for Patrick Beverly lol.

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Just throwing out options
How is that an option though. Like me saying Damian Lillard for Furkan lol.

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1256 » by Bum Adebayo » Tue Nov 5, 2019 9:18 am

elchengue20 wrote:I'm getting tired of Ben. You just can't have player who doesn't even shoot a **** 3 pointer, unless he's a 7foot C. There is a reason the league is 3 point centric nowadays.


Yes, banning defense and wanting to cater to the casuals is what made this league 3pt centric.
Simmons needs to shoot, but not necessarily a 3pt shot. There is this thing called midrange shot, I know, antiquated and inefficiuhnt, but for him it is the best shot, will allow him to gain confidence.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1257 » by Tomjas » Tue Nov 5, 2019 9:19 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Tomjas wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:You think the sixers would trade Simmons for Patrick Beverly lol.

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Just throwing out options
How is that an option though. Like me saying Damian Lillard for Furkan lol.

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So who do you want?

Put up or shut up
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1258 » by eyeatoma » Tue Nov 5, 2019 9:23 am

Tomjas wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Tomjas wrote:
Just throwing out options
How is that an option though. Like me saying Damian Lillard for Furkan lol.

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So who do you want?

Put up or shut up
Booker, Luka, Trey... Not realistic but that's the value you need.

Or someone like CJ McCollum, Bradley Beal.

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1259 » by Tomjas » Tue Nov 5, 2019 9:34 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Tomjas wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:How is that an option though. Like me saying Damian Lillard for Furkan lol.

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So who do you want?

Put up or shut up
Booker, Luka, Trey... Not realistic but that's the value you need.

Or someone like CJ McCollum, Bradley Beal.

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lol

Booker and Trey are unplayable in defence while the others haven’t won jack, probably never will and Sixers will need other players to replace his output

At 23, Simmons should get you an old LeBron or Curry

Problem is that they want to play with him
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III 

Post#1260 » by ConstableChaos » Tue Nov 5, 2019 9:52 am

Every time he sets a screen he either slips it and heads to the hoop, or sets it and rolls. If he popped out surely he could hit a wide open shot of that.

I hope if his FT% increases to >65% he'll sack up and start shooting

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