2024 NBA FINALS: #1 Boston Celtics vs #5 Dallas Mavericks (Game 1: Thursday June 6th)

[ITYSL]

oh this is perfect. I wanted to hit bisme with the Chili >>>> Chowder, but now we can skip to the big guns and Whataburger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In and Out.

I've never had Whataburger. In N Out is pretty good but a bit overhyped imo. Mainly it just makes me nostalgic because before my Grandpa died he used to go to In N Out and talk about how the restaurant was so clean "you could eat off the floor." He was very impressed with the cleanliness of his local In N Out burger lol. Not sure how clean Whataburger is fwiw.

Oh mate, I gotta get you a Whataburger. Cleanliness varies I'm sure. I have 3 that triangulate my area. One closest to the house is brand new and so super clean. Another one is old, but still impressively clean, the 3rd? eh, but I go through the drive thru and just don't think about it lol.

But as fast food burgers and fries go, its top shelf. Onion rings are terrible which is a minus, but no fast food place has good rings so.

Not to interject in this love affair, but I just want to say that I've had a lot of both Whataburger and In N Out, and think they are equally good. In N Out eeks out the win in my book because of the animal fries.

I live in Michigan and we have Five Guys and Culver's here. I prefer Five Guys but it's too expensive for what you get. Cheese curds and concrete mixers at Culver's are awesome.

[bisme37]

I've never had Whataburger. In N Out is pretty good but a bit overhyped imo. Mainly it just makes me nostalgic because before my Grandpa died he used to go to In N Out and talk about how the restaurant was so clean "you could eat off the floor." He was very impressed with the cleanliness of his local In N Out burger lol. Not sure how clean Whataburger is fwiw.

Oh mate, I gotta get you a Whataburger. Cleanliness varies I'm sure. I have 3 that triangulate my area. One closest to the house is brand new and so super clean. Another one is old, but still impressively clean, the 3rd? eh, but I go through the drive thru and just don't think about it lol.

But as fast food burgers and fries go, its top shelf. Onion rings are terrible which is a minus, but no fast food place has good rings so.

Not to interject in this love affair, but I just want to say that I've had a lot of both Whataburger and In N Out, and think they are equally good. In N Out eeks out the win in my book because of the animal fries.

I live in Michigan and we have Five Guys and Culver's here. I prefer Five Guys but it's too expensive for what you get. Cheese curds and concrete mixers at Culver's are awesome.

Yeah we have 5 Guys here and it's really good but expensive as you said. Honestly fast food everywhere is crazy expensive nowadays imo.

[ajones9219]

I mean you’re more then welcome to prove me wrong that you’re not a stereotypical know nothing Celtics fan by providing any basketball reason you have for why a zone defense would have absolutely 0 chance for slowing down the Celtics. But until then you’re going to continue to be exactly what everyone already thinks of your fan base.

Boston has averaged 1.56 points per possession against the zone in the playoffs. Miami was forced to abandon it after game 1 of the series because Boston has shredded it all season due to their 3pt shooting, particularly with KP parked at the free throw line where he has been a lethal playmaker.

Anything Dallas can do to get KP off the 3pt line I think is a victory for us. We completely eliminated attack the basket for Shai who is the best in the league at getting to the rim. We know the Celtics bomb 3 more than anyone and at the 2nd highest clip. (Although 7th in the playoffs) but just taking jumpers will not be enough to outscore Luka and Kyrie.

Mavs need to stay home on KP if they can...though it may end up getting them torched and have to abandon it....but if the Mavs try to switch everything, KP will end up just abusing the Mavs in the paint posting up on smalls. He is statistically the best post up player in the league. My concern with not switching though if I am a Mavs fan is the Celtics will then just run actions to force Luka to run around screens and wear him down over the course of each game.

IMO if KP comes out firing and hitting, this will be an extremely short series. He is a huge swing factor

[MrGoat]

oh this is perfect. I wanted to hit bisme with the Chili >>>> Chowder, but now we can skip to the big guns and Whataburger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In and Out.

I've never had Whataburger. In N Out is pretty good but a bit overhyped imo. Mainly it just makes me nostalgic because before my Grandpa died he used to go to In N Out and talk about how the restaurant was so clean "you could eat off the floor." He was very impressed with the cleanliness of his local In N Out burger lol. Not sure how clean Whataburger is fwiw.

Just a historical note. There was a book called The Jungle by Upton Sinclair written in 1906 that basically shamed the meat industry. White Castle in the Wichita, Kansas area was the first big challenger in 1921 and prided themselves on locations that were spotlessly clean. So yeah, that Harold and Kumar movie had a lot of history behind it after all

[Fencer reregistered]

There are four teams with comparable games played. The difficult part is he has out rebounded not just centers on his own team but need to over other teams' Gobert/Horford/Turner, have more steals than all PGs, and steals more than all defensive players... Could be, does not mean much, but it has never done before. What they did not list is Luka also leads all players in minutes played albeit on bad knees, and total TOs.

when you say "comparable" that mean "less" right?

Be honest, this is meaningless just all counting stats, hes played for example 17 games to the celtics 14.

is Luka having more rebounds in 17 games than guys like Tatum and Horford did in 14 supposed to be impressive?

its just a really dumb way to look at things.

Luka is really really good, trying to make him look like some kind of elite rebounder and defender by disingenuous portrayals like this tweet is dumb

Luka was the ONLY player ever in the playoff history since they tracked this, don't act like a few more games here and there never happened in the previous many years. Of course he is an ELITE rebounder (#9 of all playoff players), especially for a point guard, and ELITE playmaker, and ELITE scorer. Also no one is claiming anything out of it or act like his legacy depending on it, lol.

You are extremely insecure about this. LeBron replaced KAJ with the all time scoring leader in nba history, it is just one counting stats, no need to dig into how many years how many games...

Has Luka ever led BOTH teams in rebounding, points, assists, blocks, and steals in a single series? No, he hasn't. The only players to ever do that are Tatum and LeBron (once each). Tatum did it this year.

[Fencer reregistered]

I might be wrong, but I honestly don't believe KP, especially after being 6 weeks out, can protect the rim or paint better than Chet and Gobert.

As you've shown throughout this thread, your beliefs are based off KP's performance in a playoff series three years ago, which is ridiculous. During this season, KP's stats showed him to be an elite rim protector, which was something you dismissed a few posts ago.

According to your criteria, what would make for a good rim protector? I'm kind of confused, because you mentioned Gobert, and Minny allowed a ton of lobs with Gobert on the floor. The Mavericks shot 70% from <5ft in the conference finals. Do you think the Mavs will shoot higher than that in the Finals?

Did you watch Wolves series? All is about Luka playing pick&roll. If you don't blitz, C have 2 options, leave Luka having easy shot or try to react and risk pass from Luka for easy dunk. These aren't good options to have.

Question is really easy, can KP defend that picks better than Gobert? Kinda unlikely. He might play it differently for sure, letting Luka scoring 50 points. Or you can pack the paint, what OKC have done, and force Luka to make pass to wide open PJ or DJJ. That didn't end well either.

If the Mavs score against Boston the way they did against OKC, it probably will be a short series, and not in their favor.

[Fencer reregistered]

Nobody on the Boston side are saying we had a tough road. Having said that, they went 12-2 and were top 3 in basically every stat...which is just carryover for the whole season.

Mavs will be the first team Boston faces who's completely healthy. Good luck.

Remember this, so when Boston smokes this team Dallas fans cant cry "Luka was hurt" wah wah wah

Nothing will stop (many of) them from that.

Even if they win.

But in fairness, I have myself been posting both about the injuries Tatum appears to be playing through and also about his dominance in the Cavs series that only LeBron has ever matched.

[BeiBeau]

Boston has averaged 1.56 points per possession against the zone in the playoffs. Miami was forced to abandon it after game 1 of the series because Boston has shredded it all season due to their 3pt shooting, particularly with KP parked at the free throw line where he has been a lethal playmaker.

Anything Dallas can do to get KP off the 3pt line I think is a victory for us. We completely eliminated attack the basket for Shai who is the best in the league at getting to the rim. We know the Celtics bomb 3 more than anyone and at the 2nd highest clip. (Although 7th in the playoffs) but just taking jumpers will not be enough to outscore Luka and Kyrie.

Mavs need to stay home on KP if they can...though it may end up getting them torched and have to abandon it....but if the Mavs try to switch everything, KP will end up just abusing the Mavs in the paint posting up on smalls. He is statistically the best post up player in the league. My concern with not switching though if I am a Mavs fan is the Celtics will then just run actions to force Luka to run around screens and wear him down over the course of each game.

IMO if KP comes out firing and hitting, this will be an extremely short series. He is a huge swing factor

Yeah that’s why I keep saying this series will be determined on the defensive end for the Mavs.

Luka is going to Luka offensively. But Dallas needs to play to their defensive identity while also not give the Cs what they want.

[dygaction]

when you say "comparable" that mean "less" right?

Be honest, this is meaningless just all counting stats, hes played for example 17 games to the celtics 14.

is Luka having more rebounds in 17 games than guys like Tatum and Horford did in 14 supposed to be impressive?

its just a really dumb way to look at things.

Luka is really really good, trying to make him look like some kind of elite rebounder and defender by disingenuous portrayals like this tweet is dumb

Luka was the ONLY player ever in the playoff history since they tracked this, don't act like a few more games here and there never happened in the previous many years. Of course he is an ELITE rebounder (#9 of all playoff players), especially for a point guard, and ELITE playmaker, and ELITE scorer. Also no one is claiming anything out of it or act like his legacy depending on it, lol.

You are extremely insecure about this. LeBron replaced KAJ with the all time scoring leader in nba history, it is just one counting stats, no need to dig into how many years how many games...

Has Luka ever led BOTH teams in rebounding, points, assists, blocks, and steals in a single series? No, he hasn't. The only players to ever do that are Tatum and LeBron (once each). Tatum did it this year.

Cool story, and worth to mention, just like what others mentioned for Luka.

[ajones9219]

Anything Dallas can do to get KP off the 3pt line I think is a victory for us. We completely eliminated attack the basket for Shai who is the best in the league at getting to the rim. We know the Celtics bomb 3 more than anyone and at the 2nd highest clip. (Although 7th in the playoffs) but just taking jumpers will not be enough to outscore Luka and Kyrie.

Mavs need to stay home on KP if they can...though it may end up getting them torched and have to abandon it....but if the Mavs try to switch everything, KP will end up just abusing the Mavs in the paint posting up on smalls. He is statistically the best post up player in the league. My concern with not switching though if I am a Mavs fan is the Celtics will then just run actions to force Luka to run around screens and wear him down over the course of each game.

IMO if KP comes out firing and hitting, this will be an extremely short series. He is a huge swing factor

Yeah that’s why I keep saying this series will be determined on the defensive end for the Mavs.

Luka is going to Luka offensively. But Dallas needs to play to their defensive identity while also not give the Cs what they want.

Yeah that's just where i am the most incredulous about the Mavs. Their defense is built to give up the offense that Boston likes to play. We'll see how it plays out.

[dygaction]

Boston has averaged 1.56 points per possession against the zone in the playoffs. Miami was forced to abandon it after game 1 of the series because Boston has shredded it all season due to their 3pt shooting, particularly with KP parked at the free throw line where he has been a lethal playmaker.

Anything Dallas can do to get KP off the 3pt line I think is a victory for us. We completely eliminated attack the basket for Shai who is the best in the league at getting to the rim. We know the Celtics bomb 3 more than anyone and at the 2nd highest clip. (Although 7th in the playoffs) but just taking jumpers will not be enough to outscore Luka and Kyrie.

Mavs need to stay home on KP if they can...though it may end up getting them torched and have to abandon it....but if the Mavs try to switch everything, KP will end up just abusing the Mavs in the paint posting up on smalls. He is statistically the best post up player in the league. My concern with not switching though if I am a Mavs fan is the Celtics will then just run actions to force Luka to run around screens and wear him down over the course of each game.

IMO if KP comes out firing and hitting, this will be an extremely short series. He is a huge swing factor

Haven't watch KP enough this season. Was it more turn around jumper or he actually back other players up? He had hard time back Reggie Jackson up facing Clippers in the playoffs a few years ago and Carlisle later decided to use him as corner 3 threat.

[165bows]

I've never had Whataburger. In N Out is pretty good but a bit overhyped imo. Mainly it just makes me nostalgic because before my Grandpa died he used to go to In N Out and talk about how the restaurant was so clean "you could eat off the floor." He was very impressed with the cleanliness of his local In N Out burger lol. Not sure how clean Whataburger is fwiw.

Oh mate, I gotta get you a Whataburger. Cleanliness varies I'm sure. I have 3 that triangulate my area. One closest to the house is brand new and so super clean. Another one is old, but still impressively clean, the 3rd? eh, but I go through the drive thru and just don't think about it lol.

But as fast food burgers and fries go, its top shelf. Onion rings are terrible which is a minus, but no fast food place has good rings so.

Not to interject in this love affair, but I just want to say that I've had a lot of both Whataburger and In N Out, and think they are equally good. In N Out eeks out the win in my book because of the animal fries.

I live in Michigan and we have Five Guys and Culver's here. I prefer Five Guys but it's too expensive for what you get. Cheese curds and concrete mixers at Culver's are awesome.

Culvers is actually really under rated compared to a lot of those places.

[Fencer reregistered]

Anything Dallas can do to get KP off the 3pt line I think is a victory for us. We completely eliminated attack the basket for Shai who is the best in the league at getting to the rim. We know the Celtics bomb 3 more than anyone and at the 2nd highest clip. (Although 7th in the playoffs) but just taking jumpers will not be enough to outscore Luka and Kyrie.

Mavs need to stay home on KP if they can...though it may end up getting them torched and have to abandon it....but if the Mavs try to switch everything, KP will end up just abusing the Mavs in the paint posting up on smalls. He is statistically the best post up player in the league. My concern with not switching though if I am a Mavs fan is the Celtics will then just run actions to force Luka to run around screens and wear him down over the course of each game.

IMO if KP comes out firing and hitting, this will be an extremely short series. He is a huge swing factor

Haven't watch KP enough this season. Was it more turn around jumper or he actually back other players up? He had hard time back Reggie Jackson up facing Clippers in the playoffs a few years ago and Carlisle later decided to use him as corner 3 threat.

Quick release (with or without forward-facing dribbles) on the catch shots are deadly. Back-to-the-basket is fairly rare, but when he does choose to do it it seems to work well.

[BeiBeau]

Anything Dallas can do to get KP off the 3pt line I think is a victory for us. We completely eliminated attack the basket for Shai who is the best in the league at getting to the rim. We know the Celtics bomb 3 more than anyone and at the 2nd highest clip. (Although 7th in the playoffs) but just taking jumpers will not be enough to outscore Luka and Kyrie.

Mavs need to stay home on KP if they can...though it may end up getting them torched and have to abandon it....but if the Mavs try to switch everything, KP will end up just abusing the Mavs in the paint posting up on smalls. He is statistically the best post up player in the league. My concern with not switching though if I am a Mavs fan is the Celtics will then just run actions to force Luka to run around screens and wear him down over the course of each game.

IMO if KP comes out firing and hitting, this will be an extremely short series. He is a huge swing factor

Haven't watch KP enough this season. Was it more turn around jumper or he actually back other players up? He had hard time back Reggie Jackson up facing Clippers in the playoffs a few years ago and Carlisle later decided to use him as corner 3 threat.

Dallas will offer more resistance to the post than other will. PJ, DJJ, and Luka are better post defenders than most people their size. However, that is not to say that Dallas are going to be happy with the matchup.

[Astaluego]

Oh mate, I gotta get you a Whataburger. Cleanliness varies I'm sure. I have 3 that triangulate my area. One closest to the house is brand new and so super clean. Another one is old, but still impressively clean, the 3rd? eh, but I go through the drive thru and just don't think about it lol.

But as fast food burgers and fries go, its top shelf. Onion rings are terrible which is a minus, but no fast food place has good rings so.

Not to interject in this love affair, but I just want to say that I've had a lot of both Whataburger and In N Out, and think they are equally good. In N Out eeks out the win in my book because of the animal fries.

I live in Michigan and we have Five Guys and Culver's here. I prefer Five Guys but it's too expensive for what you get. Cheese curds and concrete mixers at Culver's are awesome.

Yeah we have 5 Guys here and it's really good but expensive as you said. Honestly fast food everywhere is crazy expensive nowadays imo.

I don't know how you can feed yourself in those fast food chains, I hope you don't do it too often, for your health, I'm a nutritionist and I can assure you that that **** will shorten and lower the quality of your lives...take care and forgive me...but I have a crusade against junk food and sugar and I can't help it.

[ajones9219]

Mavs need to stay home on KP if they can...though it may end up getting them torched and have to abandon it....but if the Mavs try to switch everything, KP will end up just abusing the Mavs in the paint posting up on smalls. He is statistically the best post up player in the league. My concern with not switching though if I am a Mavs fan is the Celtics will then just run actions to force Luka to run around screens and wear him down over the course of each game.

IMO if KP comes out firing and hitting, this will be an extremely short series. He is a huge swing factor

Haven't watch KP enough this season. Was it more turn around jumper or he actually back other players up? He had hard time back Reggie Jackson up facing Clippers in the playoffs a few years ago and Carlisle later decided to use him as corner 3 threat.

Dallas will offer more resistance to the post than other will. PJ, DJJ, and Luka are better post defenders than most people their size. However, that is not to say that Dallas are going to be happy with the matchup.

Zinger's whole game is to force switches and KP just ends up cooking smaller players. I envision him posting Kyrie at the free throw line a LOT this series and either shooting over the top or forcing his way inside to break down the defense and hit shooters.

[Texas Chuck]

Not to interject in this love affair, but I just want to say that I've had a lot of both Whataburger and In N Out, and think they are equally good. In N Out eeks out the win in my book because of the animal fries.

I live in Michigan and we have Five Guys and Culver's here. I prefer Five Guys but it's too expensive for what you get. Cheese curds and concrete mixers at Culver's are awesome.

Yeah we have 5 Guys here and it's really good but expensive as you said. Honestly fast food everywhere is crazy expensive nowadays imo.

I don't know how you can feed yourself in those fast food chains, I hope you don't do it too often, for your health, I'm a nutritionist and I can assure you that that **** will shorten and lower the quality of your lives...take care and forgive me...but I have a crusade against junk food and sugar and I can't help it.

Oh its terrible for me, I know that. But its so good that I allow myself the treat from time to time. I tell myself all the time I should eat only a plant-based diet for a million really good reasons. But I'm a flawed human who hasn't gotten there yet. But one of my kids and my GF are both moving steadily in that direction which should help pull me forward. (I hope)

[BeiBeau]

Not to interject in this love affair, but I just want to say that I've had a lot of both Whataburger and In N Out, and think they are equally good. In N Out eeks out the win in my book because of the animal fries.

I live in Michigan and we have Five Guys and Culver's here. I prefer Five Guys but it's too expensive for what you get. Cheese curds and concrete mixers at Culver's are awesome.

Yeah we have 5 Guys here and it's really good but expensive as you said. Honestly fast food everywhere is crazy expensive nowadays imo.

I don't know how you can feed yourself in those fast food chains, I hope you don't do it too often, for your health, I'm a nutritionist and I can assure you that that **** will shorten and lower the quality of your lives...take care and forgive me...but I have a crusade against junk food and sugar and I can't help it.

Real talk the actual problem is American car culture. Provides easy access to the unhealthy options, promotes a sedentary life style, and limits 3rd spaces.

[California Gold]

Two of the more mediocre food cities - Boston and Dallas.

[Astaluego]

Yeah we have 5 Guys here and it's really good but expensive as you said. Honestly fast food everywhere is crazy expensive nowadays imo.

I don't know how you can feed yourself in those fast food chains, I hope you don't do it too often, for your health, I'm a nutritionist and I can assure you that that **** will shorten and lower the quality of your lives...take care and forgive me...but I have a crusade against junk food and sugar and I can't help it.

Oh its terrible for me, I know that. But its so good that I allow myself the treat from time to time. I tell myself all the time I should eat only a plant-based diet for a million really good reasons. But I'm a flawed human who hasn't gotten there yet. But one of my kids and my GF are both moving steadily in that direction which should help pull me forward. (I hope)

must be extinguished the processed and ultra-processed ones, I understand why these types of foods are as addictive/harmful as any other drug and I am not exaggerating at all, we are hooked on food, (not to mention the quantities) the ideal is to return to the origin, what nature offers us and avoid what is made by man (for economic purposes) simplify... Meat (preferably grass-fed) Fish (preferably fresh and small in size) and Eggs (preferably from chickens that see the sun)..you can decorate your dishes with vegetables (preferably without pesticides) and fruits (not juices) in moderation and in season..I read an article recently where more than 90% of American adults had some metabolic disease, That's terrible...sorry for diverting the thread, it won't happen again, but it's an issue that really matters to me.