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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1241 » by tsherkin » Thu May 29, 2025 4:48 pm

ConSarnit wrote:What about downstream effects? So now he’s zero threat to shoot out of pnr (you could argue he already is). We know he’s not blowing by guys with his speed or ball handling.


Yes. We know that he can consistently create the shot on the left block out of the dribble drive, but that's a 45-47% shot with almost no foul draw. Scottie on-ball isn't super tenable for us.

If Barnes is established a guy who only takes corner 3’s why are we giving him any pnr possessions?


As a roll man, to see if we can get him to learn how to use his size.

I get your angle is we have to work with that we’ve got (and I agree with it) but some of these outcomes make things looks a little bleak. It sucks that we’re at the point where we are forced to try and fit in Barnes game at the cost of the overall team. I guess it’s a necessary evil or else we’re just stuck with a bad contract.


It IS bleak. He's a bad scorer, so we should be mitigating that problem by minimizing his usage and looking for plays where he doesn't need to dribble much, or at all. We are stuck with his contract for now, but we should be looking at ways to leverage his demonstrable defensive ability. He's quite a good defender. He'll get some All-D attention once we, as a team, stop sucking ass.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1242 » by TakeYourHeart » Thu May 29, 2025 4:59 pm

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ConSarnit wrote:What about downstream effects? So now he’s zero threat to shoot out of pnr (you could argue he already is). We know he’s not blowing by guys with his speed or ball handling.


Yes. We know that he can consistently create the shot on the left block out of the dribble drive, but that's a 45-47% shot with almost no foul draw. Scottie on-ball isn't super tenable for us.

If Barnes is established a guy who only takes corner 3’s why are we giving him any pnr possessions?


As a roll man, to see if we can get him to learn how to use his size.

I get your angle is we have to work with that we’ve got (and I agree with it) but some of these outcomes make things looks a little bleak. It sucks that we’re at the point where we are forced to try and fit in Barnes game at the cost of the overall team. I guess it’s a necessary evil or else we’re just stuck with a bad contract.


It IS bleak. He's a bad scorer, so we should be mitigating that problem by minimizing his usage and looking for plays where he doesn't need to dribble much, or at all. We are stuck with his contract for now, but we should be looking at ways to leverage his demonstrable defensive ability. He's quite a good defender. He'll get some All-D attention once we, as a team, stop sucking ass.


How are we supposed to transition Scottie from face of the league, keys to the franchise to a screen setting roll man taking corner 3s? Good luck Darko.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1243 » by tsherkin » Thu May 29, 2025 5:49 pm

TakeYourHeart wrote:How are we supposed to transition Scottie from face of the league, keys to the franchise to a screen setting roll man taking corner 3s? Good luck Darko.


Won't be easy, but it will be worth it. As opposed to continuing to piss into the wind trying to turn him into something he has never been, which will not. Sometimes, it just doesn't work out and you have to change tactics. It's really the same process which happens to star players when they age, it's just an earlier recognition of limitations and inability.
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Post#1244 » by PushDaRock » Thu May 29, 2025 11:59 pm

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TakeYourHeart wrote:How are we supposed to transition Scottie from face of the league, keys to the franchise to a screen setting roll man taking corner 3s? Good luck Darko.


Won't be easy, but it will be worth it. As opposed to continuing to piss into the wind trying to turn him into something he has never been, which will not. Sometimes, it just doesn't work out and you have to change tactics. It's really the same process which happens to star players when they age, it's just an earlier recognition of limitations and inability.


I just don't see it happening in year 5. Slight USG rate decrease is expected but don't think he will be back under 20%
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1245 » by tsherkin » Fri May 30, 2025 12:15 am

PushDaRock wrote:I just don't see it happening in year 5. Slight USG rate decrease is expected but don't think he will be back under 20%


I agree, I doubt we'll see an IMMENSE change. But just getting him back to 20% or so would be good. He was at 27% this year, which was even higher than 2024, and we need to peel back on that. Even if all that happens is they cut out some of his isos and SOME of his ATB 3s, that'll help us.

With Quick back and BI incoming, there are a bunch of other options for ball-handlers, so it's not like we NEED him to be doing as much.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1246 » by ash_k » Fri May 30, 2025 12:23 am

Scottie's baseline must be that game at San Antonio during Wemby's rookie year with OG and Pascal still on the roster.
We can't let the BenSimmons part of him take over. We can't let him be a 17/18pts scorer.
We must keep forcing him into the mindset he had that night in San Antonio.
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Post#1247 » by canada_dry » Fri May 30, 2025 12:44 am

Los_29 wrote:Not sure why anyone would want Sengun after watching him in the playoffs. He was awful.
Lol... no he wasn't.

Was he up and down? Yeah. First playoff run of his career and on top of that being defended by the single greatest defender of this era who finished 2nd in dpoy and many thought he should have won based off how he finished the 2nd half of the season on another level to anyone else in the league...yeah...thats gonna happen.

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Post#1249 » by Clay Davis » Fri May 30, 2025 3:50 pm

ash_k wrote:Scottie's baseline must be that game at San Antonio during Wemby's rookie year with OG and Pascal still on the roster.
We can't let the BenSimmons part of him take over. We can't let him be a 17/18pts scorer.
We must keep forcing him into the mindset he had that night in San Antonio.

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He brought his rizz against Kawhi and the George. We lost, but I remember watching the fourth and thinking "wow, there's two all-NBA wings out and Scottie Barnes looks like the best player on the floor". He was crazy aggressive this game in the fourth and I loved seeing it.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1250 » by dTox » Fri May 30, 2025 6:00 pm

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Why I'm posting it in this thread is because we have such problems with our big, Scottie likes to operate in the clogged area and it presents some problems when he is trying to drive to the rim.

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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1251 » by Scase » Fri May 30, 2025 6:11 pm

dTox wrote:
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Why I'm posting it in this thread is because we have such problems with our big, Scottie likes to operate in the clogged area and it presents some problems when he is trying to drive to the rim.

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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1252 » by Raps in 4 » Fri May 30, 2025 6:22 pm

Scase wrote:
dTox wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Why I'm posting it in this thread is because we have such problems with our big, Scottie likes to operate in the clogged area and it presents some problems when he is trying to drive to the rim.

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The offence is going to be very ugly next year with two mid-range scorers and a C who can't score from outside of 3 feet.

Our roster (in tetms of skill set) hasn't changed much from the Pascal/OG days, so Poeltl doesn't really fit any better now than he did then.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1253 » by ash_k » Fri May 30, 2025 6:28 pm

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ash_k wrote:Scottie's baseline must be that game at San Antonio during Wemby's rookie year with OG and Pascal still on the roster.
We can't let the BenSimmons part of him take over. We can't let him be a 17/18pts scorer.
We must keep forcing him into the mindset he had that night in San Antonio.

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Check out this game

He brought his rizz against Kawhi and the George. We lost, but I remember watching the fourth and thinking "wow, there's two all-NBA wings out and Scottie Barnes looks like the best player on the floor". He was crazy aggressive this game in the fourth and I loved seeing it.

Nice one and this one had me thinking we may just have the Next Kawhi!
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1254 » by tsherkin » Fri May 30, 2025 7:10 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:The offence is going to be very ugly next year with two mid-range scorers and a C who can't score from outside of 3 feet.

Our roster (in tetms of skill set) hasn't changed much from the Pascal/OG days, so Poeltl doesn't really fit any better now than he did then.


And yet...

Quickley played 33 games for us. Dick played 54. Poeltl played 57. RJ played 58.

With reasonable health alone, we should improve, let alone introducing BI to take over the role in which Scottie was doing so poorly. Moving from a disaster-clown as our focal scorer to a league-average-efficiency guy will make a large difference, especially because Ingram is a quality 3pt shooter.

So there are a whole bunch of things which should help us appreciably improve on the offense end, to be honest. Unless we get terribly unlucky with health again.
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Post#1255 » by Clay Davis » Fri May 30, 2025 7:56 pm

ash_k wrote:
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ash_k wrote:Scottie's baseline must be that game at San Antonio during Wemby's rookie year with OG and Pascal still on the roster.
We can't let the BenSimmons part of him take over. We can't let him be a 17/18pts scorer.
We must keep forcing him into the mindset he had that night in San Antonio.

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Check out this game

He brought his rizz against Kawhi and the George. We lost, but I remember watching the fourth and thinking "wow, there's two all-NBA wings out and Scottie Barnes looks like the best player on the floor". He was crazy aggressive this game in the fourth and I loved seeing it.

Nice one and this one had me thinking we may just have the Next Kawhi!

I think what we should do is pretend 2024-2025 never happened for Scottie the same way that 2017-2018 never happened for Kawhi :lol: :lol: We can, if you will, increase his rizz by scrubbing the L-RIZZ-idue (L RESIDUE aka RESIDUE OF L) from our conception of him.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1256 » by Reeko » Sat May 31, 2025 1:45 am

Raps in 4 wrote:
Scase wrote:
dTox wrote:
Read on Twitter
?t=sbvvL9P--L5cfALks5snjw&s=19

Why I'm posting it in this thread is because we have such problems with our big, Scottie likes to operate in the clogged area and it presents some problems when he is trying to drive to the rim.

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The offence is going to be very ugly next year with two mid-range scorers and a C who can't score from outside of 3 feet.

Our roster (in tetms of skill set) hasn't changed much from the Pascal/OG days, so Poeltl doesn't really fit any better now than he did then.

Hopefully they make BI focus more on shooting the 3 and shooting the mid range less. I think Ingram's going to buy in, new organization, new coach, new system. Career year and All Star selection are definitely in play for the guy.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1257 » by GoRapstheoriginal » Sat May 31, 2025 1:57 am

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Raps in 4 wrote:
Scase wrote:Masai with his masterclass of roster building.


The offence is going to be very ugly next year with two mid-range scorers and a C who can't score from outside of 3 feet.

Our roster (in tetms of skill set) hasn't changed much from the Pascal/OG days, so Poeltl doesn't really fit any better now than he did then.

Hopefully they make BI focus more on shooting the 3 and shooting the mid range less. I think Ingram's going to buy in, new organization, new coach, new system. Career year and All Star selection are definitely in play for the guy.


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Post#1258 » by Buff » Sat May 31, 2025 3:11 am

tsherkin wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:The offence is going to be very ugly next year with two mid-range scorers and a C who can't score from outside of 3 feet.

Our roster (in tetms of skill set) hasn't changed much from the Pascal/OG days, so Poeltl doesn't really fit any better now than he did then.


And yet...

Quickley played 33 games for us. Dick played 54. Poeltl played 57. RJ played 58.

With reasonable health alone, we should improve, let alone introducing BI to take over the role in which Scottie was doing so poorly. Moving from a disaster-clown as our focal scorer to a league-average-efficiency guy will make a large difference, especially because Ingram is a quality 3pt shooter.

So there are a whole bunch of things which should help us appreciably improve on the offense end, to be honest. Unless we get terribly unlucky with health again.


Also, we were trying to freaking lose. That's got to help to be actively trying to win.
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Post#1259 » by Nebuchadnezzar » Sat May 31, 2025 3:32 am

Raps in 4 wrote:
Scase wrote:
dTox wrote:
Read on Twitter
?t=sbvvL9P--L5cfALks5snjw&s=19

Why I'm posting it in this thread is because we have such problems with our big, Scottie likes to operate in the clogged area and it presents some problems when he is trying to drive to the rim.

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The offence is going to be very ugly next year with two mid-range scorers and a C who can't score from outside of 3 feet.

Our roster (in tetms of skill set) hasn't changed much from the Pascal/OG days, so Poeltl doesn't really fit any better now than he did then.


This is just inaccurate. BI is a three level scorer and Poeltl is effective at least 10 feet out.
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Re: Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9 

Post#1260 » by Raps in 4 » Sat May 31, 2025 3:34 am

Buff wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:The offence is going to be very ugly next year with two mid-range scorers and a C who can't score from outside of 3 feet.

Our roster (in tetms of skill set) hasn't changed much from the Pascal/OG days, so Poeltl doesn't really fit any better now than he did then.


And yet...

Quickley played 33 games for us. Dick played 54. Poeltl played 57. RJ played 58.

With reasonable health alone, we should improve, let alone introducing BI to take over the role in which Scottie was doing so poorly. Moving from a disaster-clown as our focal scorer to a league-average-efficiency guy will make a large difference, especially because Ingram is a quality 3pt shooter.

So there are a whole bunch of things which should help us appreciably improve on the offense end, to be honest. Unless we get terribly unlucky with health again.


Also, we were trying to freaking lose. That's got to help to be actively trying to win.


I said our team isn't any better suited to accomodate Poeltl than the Pascal/OG/Fred core was. I said nothing about last year.

Scottie, RJ, BI, and Yak are not an ideal combination of players and are reminiscent of our former Scottie, Pascal, Yak experiment in terms of where they score from.

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