The One And Only Offseason Thread!

[BobbieL]

This is exactly why McD is a great GM.
He's not going to overpay for ****

I'm honestly shocked at those that are freaking out - every huge contract that gets signed, I'm completely glad it's not us giving that contract out.

I see this: "Chandler Parsons, Mavs Agree Upon $46M Offer Sheet" and I'm like, "Bullet dodged, thank God."

Plus it's nice to see all the teams that carved out cap space to make a run at a star use their cap space up. Fewer teams to offer Bledsoe a max.

Bledsoe will be interesting. He is going to get paid - something like Hayward. Lets just see if its the Suns, or a S&T or ????

[Barkley6]

I am much more excited to watch Archie, Alex, TJ, Plums and Ennis this saturday night than overpayng role players like Chandler Parsons today.

Sunsdeuce, you should really take a chill pill, watch our exciting prospects grow and enjoy the ride.

Lol. You know how many times I've heard let this team grow from fans over 30+ years? 1987, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2004. You know how many championships we have zero. The closest we came is when colangelo went all in and got a superstar.

So don't try and preach to me


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Not sure why anyone wanted the 99 and 2000 teams to wait to grow, through arguably had Penny not been hurt, it very likely would have been a markedly different 00-01 season for Phoenix.

As for 2004....that team should have been allowed to grow.

We had:
JJ age 23
Marion 26
Stoudemire 22
Richardson 24
Barbosa 22
Hunter 23

Instead of keeping that core together we blew it up to add Kurt Thomas. Not exactly swinging for the fences. And we all know we should have re-signed JJ. If the Suns had played it right that offseason, they could have kept JJ, still signed Raja Bell and Eddie House, trade for James Jones and still have added Tim Thomas mid season. It's even possible that Diaw could have been had in a separate deal, Atlanta was looking to get rid of him.

Instead they tinkered for the sake of tinkering and while in hindsight, they needed KT because Amare went down, at the time (in my opinion) it wasn't the right move.

The point: rather than simply augment and add to the 04-05 team that was in the WCF, they shipped off two major pieces and didn't improve the team at all, because we were again, in the WCF. The biggest mistake in the Nash, STAT, Matrix years was that we didn't ever leave well enough alone.

[matt131]

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[Gorilla Warfare]

I'm still not ruling out the Suns for LeBron until he personally tells me otherwise.

[bwgood77]

I'm honestly shocked at those that are freaking out - every huge contract that gets signed, I'm completely glad it's not us giving that contract out.

I see this: "Chandler Parsons, Mavs Agree Upon $46M Offer Sheet" and I'm like, "Bullet dodged, thank God."

Plus it's nice to see all the teams that carved out cap space to make a run at a star use their cap space up. Fewer teams to offer Bledsoe a max.

Bledsoe will be interesting. He is going to get paid - something like Hayward. Lets just see if its the Suns, or a S&T or ????

And we could always go 5 years, 62.5 or something. 12.5 a year, Parker money. The thing is, if someone like Milwaukee gives him a near max, does he sign it even if he doesn't want to play there?

PG still not as much of a need in league as other positions, so just because lesser players are getting big contracts, doesn't necessarily impact Bledsoe. But now we may have to watch Miami, in addition to LA, Milwaukee and possibly Detroit or Orlando.

But Miami might really be the team that goes after him big time if they lose LeBron.

Then again, if Miami loses LeBron and Bosh, they are in serious trouble. That team will be extremely ugly. They seriously could opt for the Philly philosophy. Who can they possibly sign? Bledsoe and Deng? Does that even make them very good? Bledsoe/Wade/Deng/McRoberts/?

And we'd match Bledsoe anyway. They are going to look UGLY.

[matt131]

I'm still not ruling out the Suns for LeBron until he personally tells me otherwise.

Haha! I still believe we would have been the best fit for him. Whatever, LeBron is an idiot.

[Sunsdeuce]

Now that I'm calmed down.

question: Would you guys still be pleased with these non moves if the suns end up winning only 35 games this year?

I honestly feel like 35 wins is realistic with the current roster.

I just feel at this point, the suns can't afford to take a step back which it's starting to feel like.


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[Barkley6]

Count me as part of the Patience Brigade. I think that the style of draft guys with high ceilings, reclaim and repurpose other teams cast offs and keep the books balanced, with no bad contracts and lots of trade assets is the way to do it.

I'm all for loading up on young athletic guys with a good work ethic and something to prove.

Last season, we saw Gerald Green, Miles Plumlee, Markieff and Marcus Morris not just exceed expectations, but completely obliterate them. People thought Plumlee was a stiff, Green a head case chucker, and the Morrii underperformers. All of them put those doubts to rest.

Why not trust our GM and coaching staff to find one or two more of those guys, bring the rookies along and maintain future flexibility?

There isn't a move out there to be made that makes us a top 5 team in the league. So why make a move that might get us to the 5th or 6th seed, a second round playoff exit, and seriously jeopardize our future ability to make moves?

[Superhuman]

Now that I'm calmed down.

question: Would you guys still be pleased with these non moves if the suns end up winning only 35 games this year?

I honestly feel like 35 wins is realistic with the current roster.

I just feel at this point, the suns can't afford to take a step back which it's starting to feel like.


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It's essentially the same roster plus rookies minus Frye. How do we go from 48 wins to 35 wins? That's a major drop off.

McD knows what he's doing. The offseason ain't over.

[LukasBMW]

Seems to me like Lebron decided on going back to the Cavs. It would be a great marketing ploy, and the Cavs roster has arguably more potential then Miami's at this point, especially if they acquire Kevin Love. His wife apparently would also be happy. Lebron would be a hero again and not a villain.

Then tonight Reilly got in his ear and reminded him:

-The Cavs owner is a moron
-The team had major infighting last year
-The coach is a question mark
-They haven't made the playoffs since you left.

Despite the fact that an Irving, Love, Lebron lineup would be an instant contender, you gotta question their franchise leadership which is why Lebron left in the first place. At least Reilly has proven he can assembly a contender at any time and pull off some sneaky moves.

An aging Miami roster with Reilly calling the shots may be better then a young and talented Cavs squad with an unproven coach and shaky ownership.

[Barkley6]

Now that I'm calmed down.

question: Would you guys still be pleased with these non moves if the suns end up winning only 35 games this year?

I honestly feel like 35 wins is realistic with the current roster.

I just feel at this point, the suns can't afford to take a step back which it's starting to feel like.


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Pleased? No. I wouldn't be pleased.

I don't think the Suns will stand pat. And I think it's reasonable to expect at least moderate growth from some of our players. I think we are a 40 win team as currently constructed, with the potential to over achieve and win 45 games. But that's with future moves pending.

Also, worth noting we had some of, if not the youngest rookies in the league last year. They hopefully will have continued their physical as well as basketball development to further contribute this season.

I'm in favor of the Suns making moves, but smart moves. Not moves just to look busy.

[LukasBMW]

Now that I'm calmed down.

question: Would you guys still be pleased with these non moves if the suns end up winning only 35 games this year?

I honestly feel like 35 wins is realistic with the current roster.

I just feel at this point, the suns can't afford to take a step back which it's starting to feel like.


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It's essentially the same roster plus rookies minus Frye. How do we go from 48 wins to 35 wins? That's a major drop off.

McD knows what he's doing. The offseason ain't over.

I too have confidence in McDonough.

If we can't take a calculated risk on adding a game changing player this summer, then he will maintain the flexibility to add that player via trade or free agency next year. The only disadvantage to waiting is losing out on Dragic's productivity at a bargain salary rate and getting closer to have to re-sign some of our other players to larger contracts when their rookie deals expire. This is also why we are going to have to cash in on some chips sooner or later. We can't pay Dragic, Plumlee, Markieff, and Len/Archie/whoever pans out market value, so may as well trade them for someone who deserves a max deal.

[matt131]

Seems to me like Lebron decided on going back to the Cavs. It would be a great marketing ploy, and the Cavs roster has arguably more potential then Miami's at this point, especially if they acquire Kevin Love. His wife apparently would also be happy. Lebron would be a hero again and not a villain.

Then tonight Reilly got in his ear and reminded him:

-The Cavs owner is a moron
-The team had major infighting last year
-The coach is a question mark
-They haven't made the playoffs since you left.

Despite the fact that an Irving, Love, Lebron lineup would be an instant contender, you gotta question their franchise leadership which is why Lebron left in the first place. At least Reilly has proven he can assembly a contender at any time and pull off some sneaky moves.

An aging Miami roster with Reilly calling the shots may be better then a young and talented Cavs squad with an unproven coach and shaky ownership.

LeBron listened carefully to what Riley had reminded him. He now understood that the Cavs were no longer an option. He then looked at what Riley had done to improve the Heat. "Josh McRoberts and Danny Granger. Hmm...," thought LeBron, and eventually crossed off the Heat from his list of potential suitors. LeBron then came to his senses and joined the Suns, the one team that had everything he needed to win a title. The end.

[Puff]

I'm still not ruling out the Suns for LeBron until he personally tells me otherwise.

Bledsoe is part of this puzzle somehow, someway whether it be here or in Cleveland.

[Gorilla Warfare]

I understand it's his home state, but our talent is better than their talent, and Cleveland is just as small of a market as us. The fact that (allegedly) he does not have any interest in Phoenix but fine with going back to the city that has grown to hate him more and more over the past 4 years is kind of a shock. I honestly think his reception from the fans in Cleveland won't be as great as people think it will be, but Rihanna got back with Chris Brown after he beat the sh*t out of her so what the f**k do I know about humans...

[Moochthemonkey]

question: Would you guys still be pleased with these non moves if the suns end up winning only 35 games this year?

rhetorical question? Barring injuries, why would anyone be pleased with winning 13 less games and more or less the same roster. That would mean that none of our 2nd-4th year players have improved.

[matt131]

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Suns stil have a shot?

[Sunsdeuce]

Now that I'm calmed down.

question: Would you guys still be pleased with these non moves if the suns end up winning only 35 games this year?

I honestly feel like 35 wins is realistic with the current roster.

I just feel at this point, the suns can't afford to take a step back which it's starting to feel like.


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It's essentially the same roster plus rookies minus Frye. How do we go from 48 wins to 35 wins? That's a major drop off.

McD knows what he's doing. The offseason ain't over.

I think (as much as people hated on frye) frye was super important to the suns success last year. Shoot, even gentry admitted that missing frye really hurt his team. It's really not the same team. He was a starter (not that he was a great starter). So "currently" the suns have to replace a starter with a bench player in Morris.

Currently the suns have gotten a little worse. They certainly have not gotten better, thats for sure.


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[matt131]

I understand it's his home state, but our talent is better than their talent, and Cleveland is just as small of a market as us. The fact that (allegedly) he does not have any interest in Phoenix but fine with going back to the city that has grown to hate him more and more over the past 4 years is kind of a shock. I honestly think his reception from the fans in Cleveland won't be as great as people think it will be.

Throughout the day, I have little daydreams of LeBron coming out and shocking everyone by saying, "Well, my two options, Cavs and Heat, suck, so I'm going with the obvious choice here. Phoenix, buckle up." And then I get all sad when I remember ray ray's "Plan B" post...

[Sunsdeuce]

question: Would you guys still be pleased with these non moves if the suns end up winning only 35 games this year?

rhetorical question? Barring injuries, why would anyone be pleased with winning 13 less games and more or less the same roster. That would mean that none of our 2nd-4th year players have improved.

I'm just saying if we don't make the playoffs for a fifth year, I can see all the optimism fade real quick.

I mean think about. Im starting to get up there in age. And I have never seen a suns team miss the playoffs 5 straight times. That's not the suns organization I know and grew up with. Just saying.


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