John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III

[Dat2U]

I bet he is. It must be hard to listen to so many people point out how well the Wizards played without him and question how good Wall really is. I expect John to be highly motivated to prove himself. I just hope his metric for proving himself is team wins and not individual stats. I don't want him coming back to score 25 points a night on a TS% of 51%. That doesn't help.

It probably was hard, but probably easy now that the Wiz have been playing .500 or even slightly below .500 ball over the last 12 without him.

The wiz fell back down to earth, and the narrative has switched back to "man they could really use Wall."

I think John has probably learned a lot though from watching Sato.

If that's the narrative, the narrative is wrong. People aren't appreciating the incredibly easy schedule that Wall faced, and the significantly harder schedule that Sato has faced.

With Wall at the helm, the team should have gone 26-11 going by the SRS ranking system and factoring a +3 advantage for home court. They actually went 21-16. They were 5 games below expectations. With Sato at the helm, they should have gone 12-11. They actually went 14-9. They were 2 games better than expected.

Even in this past month, the Wizards should have gone 5-4 and only went 4-5. That's not some kind of serious slump. It's one game below expectations (and about the same level of disappointment as with Wall).

Maybe were overrating the roster. I know specifically many folks seem to think Gortat has been ok (you, payit, many so-called experts on Twitter & bulletsforever) That's simply not true. Gortat has been a disaster in terms of rotating on D but maybe that doesn't show up in the advanced stats yet?

Also a healthy Wall is far better than an injured one. We're supposedly getting the healthy version. That makes a big difference.

[nate33]

Maybe were overrating the roster. I know specifically many folks seem to think Gortat has been ok (you, payit, many so-called experts on Twitter & bulletsforever) That's simply not true. Gortat has been a disaster in terms of rotating on D but maybe that doesn't show up in the advanced stats yet?

I think Gortat is slipping, but I don't think he's quite a disaster. He's a below average starting center, but still a legit starter. There are probably 20 better starting centers.

Also a healthy Wall is far better than an injured one. We're supposedly getting the healthy version. That makes a big difference.

I hope so. I really hope good health will translate into better, more active, defense. I think his problems on offense have less to do with health and more to do with decision-making. Healthy or not, Wall shouldn't be taking 7 FGA's per game from midrange.

[FAH1223]

The real will never lose

[Wizardspride]

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[CobraCommander]

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Get yo AZZ back out there John...we are in full tank mode and need you back now more than ever. We need to click into playoff mode or this is gonna be a quick 86 game season with no reason to think next year will be better.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

You want to know how I really feel about John Wall?

Do you remember the time Shaq said, "Can you dig it???"...

Internally, I feel like shouting out, "John Wall is back ... Muthaf_kk_z!"

(Oh, YES, I'm really happy.)

[nate33]

Cross-posting from the Houston game thread:

I expected John Wall to show a little rust so I'm not too mad about the poor shooting or the turnovers. But I just looked at the game log and his shot selection is still a ****.

• He had exactly one shot attempt at the rim (actually 3 if you count the attempts that earned him free throws) while shooting 9 shots from the perimeter.
  
  
• Of his 9 perimeter shots, one was a made three with 1 second left on the clock - a catch-and-shoot IIRC. Another was a missed three with 4 seconds left on the shot clock. Those are good shots.
  
  
• He took a 3-pointer with 15 seconds left on the clock and missed it. That might have been a wise shot depending on how open he was. I don't mind Wall shooting 3's earlier in the shot clock if he's got the space and they're not rushing him. He can hit that shot at at 36% clip, which is a 54% TS% (plus a possibility of an offensive board and no possibility of a turnover).
  
  
• The other 6 shots we took were long 2's. He shot them with 11 seconds, 7 seconds, 17 seconds, 8 seconds, 19 seconds and 20 seconds left on the shot clock respectively. None were at the end of the quarter or in a 2-for-1 possession scenario. He made just 2 of them but that's not the issue. He shouldn't have even been shooting those - certainly not the ones with double digits still on the shot clock.

John Wall hasn't learned a thing while watching Sato. We're gonna get the same guy we've always had - a guy who thinks he is a better shooter than he is. He is going to jack up 6-10 long 2's a game with plenty of time on the shot clock. If he regains his form from last year, he'll hit 38% of them which is not good for offensive efficiency but at least it's not disastrous. If he continues to shoot like he has so far this year, he'll hit 29% of them which is absolutely devastating to our offensive efficiency. It's just giving possessions away. This team isn't good enough to give possessions away.

[dckingsfan]

Cross-posting from the Houston game thread:

I expected John Wall to show a little rust so I'm not too mad about the poor shooting or the turnovers. But I just looked at the game log and his shot selection is still a ****.

• He had exactly one shot attempt at the rim (actually 3 if you count the attempts that earned him free throws) while shooting 9 shots from the perimeter.
  
  
• Of his 9 perimeter shots, one was a made three with 1 second left on the clock - a catch-and-shoot IIRC. Another was a missed three with 4 seconds left on the shot clock. Those are good shots.
  
  
• He took a 3-pointer with 15 seconds left on the clock and missed it. That might have been a wise shot depending on how open he was. I don't mind Wall shooting 3's earlier in the shot clock if he's got the space and they're not rushing him. He can hit that shot at at 36% clip, which is a 54% TS% (plus a possibility of an offensive board and no possibility of a turnover).
  
  
• The other 6 shots we took were long 2's. He shot them with 11 seconds, 7 seconds, 17 seconds, 8 seconds, 19 seconds and 20 seconds left on the shot clock respectively. None were at the end of the quarter or in a 2-for-1 possession scenario. He made just 2 of them but that's not the issue. He shouldn't have even been shooting those - certainly not the ones with double digits still on the shot clock.

John Wall hasn't learned a thing while watching Sato. We're gonna get the same guy we've always had - a guy who thinks he is a better shooter than he is. He is going to jack up 6-10 long 2's a game with plenty of time on the shot clock. If he regains his form from last year, he'll hit 38% of them which is not good for offensive efficiency but at least it's not disastrous. If he continues to shoot like he has so far this year, he'll hit 29% of them which is absolutely devastating to our offensive efficiency. It's just giving possessions away. This team isn't good enough to give possessions away.

And with that - he will not climb back into a top 5 pg. Others have improved.

[BigA]

Cross-posting from the Houston game thread:

I expected John Wall to show a little rust so I'm not too mad about the poor shooting or the turnovers. But I just looked at the game log and his shot selection is still a ****.

• He had exactly one shot attempt at the rim (actually 3 if you count the attempts that earned him free throws) while shooting 9 shots from the perimeter.
  
  
• Of his 9 perimeter shots, one was a made three with 1 second left on the clock - a catch-and-shoot IIRC. Another was a missed three with 4 seconds left on the shot clock. Those are good shots.
  
  
• He took a 3-pointer with 15 seconds left on the clock and missed it. That might have been a wise shot depending on how open he was. I don't mind Wall shooting 3's earlier in the shot clock if he's got the space and they're not rushing him. He can hit that shot at at 36% clip, which is a 54% TS% (plus a possibility of an offensive board and no possibility of a turnover).
  
  
• The other 6 shots we took were long 2's. He shot them with 11 seconds, 7 seconds, 17 seconds, 8 seconds, 19 seconds and 20 seconds left on the shot clock respectively. None were at the end of the quarter or in a 2-for-1 possession scenario. He made just 2 of them but that's not the issue. He shouldn't have even been shooting those - certainly not the ones with double digits still on the shot clock.

John Wall hasn't learned a thing while watching Sato. We're gonna get the same guy we've always had - a guy who thinks he is a better shooter than he is. He is going to jack up 6-10 long 2's a game with plenty of time on the shot clock. If he regains his form from last year, he'll hit 38% of them which is not good for offensive efficiency but at least it's not disastrous. If he continues to shoot like he has so far this year, he'll hit 29% of them which is absolutely devastating to our offensive efficiency. It's just giving possessions away. This team isn't good enough to give possessions away.

This doesn't look very appreciative to me.

[80sballboy]

Cross-posting from the Houston game thread:

I expected John Wall to show a little rust so I'm not too mad about the poor shooting or the turnovers. But I just looked at the game log and his shot selection is still a ****.

• He had exactly one shot attempt at the rim (actually 3 if you count the attempts that earned him free throws) while shooting 9 shots from the perimeter.
  
  
• Of his 9 perimeter shots, one was a made three with 1 second left on the clock - a catch-and-shoot IIRC. Another was a missed three with 4 seconds left on the shot clock. Those are good shots.
  
  
• He took a 3-pointer with 15 seconds left on the clock and missed it. That might have been a wise shot depending on how open he was. I don't mind Wall shooting 3's earlier in the shot clock if he's got the space and they're not rushing him. He can hit that shot at at 36% clip, which is a 54% TS% (plus a possibility of an offensive board and no possibility of a turnover).
  
  
• The other 6 shots we took were long 2's. He shot them with 11 seconds, 7 seconds, 17 seconds, 8 seconds, 19 seconds and 20 seconds left on the shot clock respectively. None were at the end of the quarter or in a 2-for-1 possession scenario. He made just 2 of them but that's not the issue. He shouldn't have even been shooting those - certainly not the ones with double digits still on the shot clock.

John Wall hasn't learned a thing while watching Sato. We're gonna get the same guy we've always had - a guy who thinks he is a better shooter than he is. He is going to jack up 6-10 long 2's a game with plenty of time on the shot clock. If he regains his form from last year, he'll hit 38% of them which is not good for offensive efficiency but at least it's not disastrous. If he continues to shoot like he has so far this year, he'll hit 29% of them which is absolutely devastating to our offensive efficiency. It's just giving possessions away. This team isn't good enough to give possessions away.

And with that - he will not climb back into a top 5 pg. Others have improved.

He had a bad game. If you watched the Charlotte game, he moved the ball and kept it moving. The shooting part, in terms of taking early mid-range shots when he's open instead of getting the ball to better shooters, is annoying and that's a part of his game that won't change. His ego is overinflated, no doubt. He won't ever admit that he's the fourth-best shooter on the floor with Porter, Beal and even Kieff better. He's also coming back from a knee injury and rarely drove to the basket. Maybe he's also a little afraid of getting hurt again because didn't he exacerbate the injury with contact?

My issue with Sato is the opposite. John gave him several good looks at the 3-point line and he doesn't have the quickest release so he hesitated and drove.

[dckingsfan]

Cross-posting from the Houston game thread:

I expected John Wall to show a little rust so I'm not too mad about the poor shooting or the turnovers. But I just looked at the game log and his shot selection is still a ****.

• He had exactly one shot attempt at the rim (actually 3 if you count the attempts that earned him free throws) while shooting 9 shots from the perimeter.
  
  
• Of his 9 perimeter shots, one was a made three with 1 second left on the clock - a catch-and-shoot IIRC. Another was a missed three with 4 seconds left on the shot clock. Those are good shots.
  
  
• He took a 3-pointer with 15 seconds left on the clock and missed it. That might have been a wise shot depending on how open he was. I don't mind Wall shooting 3's earlier in the shot clock if he's got the space and they're not rushing him. He can hit that shot at at 36% clip, which is a 54% TS% (plus a possibility of an offensive board and no possibility of a turnover).
  
  
• The other 6 shots we took were long 2's. He shot them with 11 seconds, 7 seconds, 17 seconds, 8 seconds, 19 seconds and 20 seconds left on the shot clock respectively. None were at the end of the quarter or in a 2-for-1 possession scenario. He made just 2 of them but that's not the issue. He shouldn't have even been shooting those - certainly not the ones with double digits still on the shot clock.

John Wall hasn't learned a thing while watching Sato. We're gonna get the same guy we've always had - a guy who thinks he is a better shooter than he is. He is going to jack up 6-10 long 2's a game with plenty of time on the shot clock. If he regains his form from last year, he'll hit 38% of them which is not good for offensive efficiency but at least it's not disastrous. If he continues to shoot like he has so far this year, he'll hit 29% of them which is absolutely devastating to our offensive efficiency. It's just giving possessions away. This team isn't good enough to give possessions away.

And with that - he will not climb back into a top 5 pg. Others have improved.

He had a bad game. If you watched the Charlotte game, he moved the ball and kept it moving. The shooting part, in terms of taking early mid-range shots when he's open instead of getting the ball to better shooters, is annoying and that's a part of his game that won't change. His ego is overinflated, no doubt. He won't ever admit that he's the fourth-best shooter on the floor with Porter, Beal and even Kieff better. He's also coming back from a knee injury and rarely drove to the basket. Maybe he's also a little afraid of getting hurt again because didn't he exacerbate the injury with contact?

My issue with Sato is the opposite. John gave him several good looks at the 3-point line and he doesn't have the quickest release so he hesitated and drove.

No disagreement on any of that - as you say, his ego keeps him from giving up the ball and taking those long 2s. That is going to keep him from getting to where he really should be - a solid top 5 PG.

[Rocketsbaby]

Shouldn't they bring Wall off the bench? This just isnt working

[CobraCommander]

Shouldn't they bring Wall off the bench? This just isnt working

Good one


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[Rocketsbaby]

Shouldn't they bring Wall off the bench? This just isnt working

Good one


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Oh sorry i only got home in time to watch the 4th quarter.. did he play well prior to that? His numbers don't look too bad. I just happened to catch the meltdown i guess. Combined with what he did last night it seemed like they are better off going back to sato

[CobraCommander]

Shouldn't they bring Wall off the bench? This just isnt working

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Oh sorry i only got home in time to watch the 4th quarter.. did he play well prior to that? His numbers don't look too bad. I just happened to catch the meltdown i guess. Combined with what he did last night it seemed like they are better off going back to sato

Epic collapse by whole team...but as the leader of the team....JOHN LED THE COLLAPSE AND SET THE STANDARD...but this is his appreciation thread so i will focus on the first 3 quarters..and first half of the 4th...

[dcstanley]

Shouldn't they bring Wall off the bench? This just isnt working

Beal should see the bench before Wall

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Good one


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Oh sorry i only got home in time to watch the 4th quarter.. did he play well prior to that? His numbers don't look too bad. I just happened to catch the meltdown i guess. Combined with what he did last night it seemed like they are better off going back to sato

Epic collapse by whole team...but as the leader of the team....JOHN LED THE COLLAPSE AND SET THE STANDARD...but this is his appreciation thread so i will focus on the first 3 quarters..and first half of the 4th...

Yeah you're supposed to say nice things in the appreciation thread


You can kill a guy's performance any number of other places.

[WizarDynasty]

Wall is a dinosaur. I appreciate what he has done but gone are the days of pont guards who can't shoot 40 % from three point range. AGain I appreciate wall a 3 pointer is basically and and one for a big man, and wall just works too hard for his points. If he could shoot a three off the dribble with great landing mechanics, falling backwards and hitting close to 40 %, i would feel much better about his future. The future would me much much more bright...!!!

[nate33]

Shouldn't they bring Wall off the bench? This just isnt working

Beal should see the bench before Wall

Beal only needs to be benched in the last 5 minutes. Other than that, he's been fine this year.

[Kanyewest]

Shouldn't they bring Wall off the bench? This just isnt working

Beal should see the bench before Wall

Beal only needs to be benched in the last 5 minutes. Other than that, he's been fine this year.

Or Beal should play 5 fewer minutes per
game.

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