2016 NBA Draft/College Basketball Thread

[dkj5061]

Yea i think initially he's best suited at PF. Will allow him to take advantage of match ups more.

If he expands his game offensively (mainly jump shot) I could see him sliding down to the 3 for spurts.

Developed Blake Griffin-ish. Not ish, u know what i mean.

I think he can play the 3 full time if/when he improves his jumper. Still, he is the type of guy that we would trade whoever is in his way if he had to play the 4.

We can't let ourselves be intoxicated by the fact that Ingram will slide right into the 3 seamlessly, whereas Simmons might encroach on some of our big guys.

I think that if we get the first pick that we should think of the Sixers as Simmons and Embiid. EVERYONE else would then be in the "find a role, or get traded situation."

As much as I talk about Simmons on these boards I am really trying to not think about him as a possibility. It just seems too good to be true given that we would only have a 25% chance at him if we finish with the worst record.

You're one of the only people I've seen who feel this way and I completely agree. Simmons is our best shot at having a franchise changer and I would move whoever is necessary to make him fit, especially if Embiid is healthy because I still believe he is our most talented big man. Those two playing next to each other would give us a legitimate championship front court.

[Dell]

I'm not saying that this can happen, should happen, or will happen, but in this article, Simmons says that he feels most comfortable playing point guard. http://www.campusrush.com/ben-simmons-lsu-tigers-2016-nba-draft-1574133776.html

[KKell2507]

I'm not saying that this can happen, should happen, or will happen, but in this article, Simmons says that he feels most comfortable playing point guard. http://www.campusrush.com/ben-simmons-lsu-tigers-2016-nba-draft-1574133776.html

Not at all a problem really on offense as he often times is the guy setting up the offense anyway, especially on the break. Problem is that your NBA position is never based on what you do offensively. Its all about who you can guard defensively. And as amazing as it would be, he just cant guard the opposing team's PGs in the NBA.

[PhilasFinest]

Yea, watching Simmons try to chase around Steph Curry or Westbrook wouldn't be a pretty sight.

Hes a PG in the same way Lebron is. He will be able to initiate the offense a majority of times and have the rock in his hands a Ton, but he's still a 4/3. Just how its gotta be in the NBA.

[snoopdogg88]

he's a small forward who can handle the ball up court

[Ericb5]

he's a small forward who can handle the ball up court

He's a bit more than just a guy that can handle it like a guard though. He is a legitimately gifted facilitator, who really DOES have the vision, and mentality to run a team.

In the sense that I always say that I think that point guards are born, I think that in that sense he IS a point guard. However, if you are going to have him run your team then you are going to have to have someone else guard the opposing point guard. It would be sort of the inverse of the problem that we had with Iverson playing the shooting guard, but needing to guard the point.

If you get a speedy undersized shooting guard or combo guard to play the 2 on offense and guard the 1 on defense then I think that it could theoretically work.

Regardless, Simmons is the kind of talent(Like Iverson was) where you put him in position to create the most damage and then figure the rest of it out. If Iverson had to play the point on offense or guard shooting guards on defense it would have been a major problem.

We talk about the small ball issues in the NBA and how to deal with having bigs like Okafor and Embiid. Well the whole difficulty of feeding the post gets a lot easier if the guy doing it is the size of Ben Simmons.

[eagereyez]

I'm not saying that this can happen, should happen, or will happen, but in this article, Simmons says that he feels most comfortable playing point guard. http://www.campusrush.com/ben-simmons-lsu-tigers-2016-nba-draft-1574133776.html

Not at all a problem really on offense as he often times is the guy setting up the offense anyway, especially on the break. Problem is that your NBA position is never based on what you do offensively. Its all about who you can guard defensively. And as amazing as it would be, he just cant guard the opposing team's PGs in the NBA.

Simmons can play PG from the 3 or 4, while whoever plays the 1 basically becomes a 3&D guy who guards the other team's 1. It's basically how every team with Lebron James has played. Same thing applies to Harden and the Rockets.

[iMoreland]

Simmons can play PG from the 3 or 4, while whoever plays the 1 basically becomes a 3&D guy who guards the other team's 1. It's basically how every team with Lebron James has played. Same thing applies to Harden and the Rockets.

Someone like Wade Baldwin IV.

[Agnostifarian]

Simmons can play PG from the 3 or 4, while whoever plays the 1 basically becomes a 3&D guy who guards the other team's 1. It's basically how every team with Lebron James has played. Same thing applies to Harden and the Rockets.

Someone like Wade Baldwin IV.

Or Melo Trimble, D Jackson but Baldwin fits the bill.

[51X3RF4N]

Let's say the strangest thing happens and 2 teams jump into the 1 and 2 spots from outside the top 3.

Sixers end up with picks #3 and #4. Who do you take if Ingram and Simmons are off the board?

Dunn and Brown?

Do you feel that adding Dunn and Brown to this team is a success in terms of the whole tank thing?

Dunn/Brown/Saric/Embiid all join the team next season, and you have 2 more picks on potentially Luwawu, Valentine, etc to fill holes.

So would that be a failure on tanking and "the process", or would that count as a success?

[Negrodamus]

Let's say the strangest thing happens and 2 teams jump into the 1 and 2 spots from outside the top 3.

Sixers end up with picks #3 and #4. Who do you take if Ingram and Simmons are off the board?

Dunn and Brown?

Do you feel that adding Dunn and Brown to this team is a success in terms of the whole tank thing?

Dunn/Brown/Saric/Embiid all join the team next season, and you have 2 more picks on potentially Luwawu, Valentine, etc to fill holes.

So would that be a failure on tanking and "the process", or would that count as a success?

In my personal opinion, I would want Dunn at 3 and Murray at 4. What I think would happen would be a trade if they feel one of the big men, like a Bender, is highly sought after, they would trade.

[iMoreland]

Let's say the strangest thing happens and 2 teams jump into the 1 and 2 spots from outside the top 3.

Sixers end up with picks #3 and #4. Who do you take if Ingram and Simmons are off the board?

Dunn and Brown?

Do you feel that adding Dunn and Brown to this team is a success in terms of the whole tank thing?

Dunn/Brown/Saric/Embiid all join the team next season, and you have 2 more picks on potentially Luwawu, Valentine, etc to fill holes.

So would that be a failure on tanking and "the process", or would that count as a success?

Dunn and Murray

[No-Man]

Bender and Dunn, quite easily also.

[Tension]

I am all about Buddy Hield. 54% FG, 52% 3pt, and 90%FT is ridiculous. If we can get him with the Miami pick as a knock down SG I would be ecstatic. He attacks the rim or nails 3s. An analytics guy like Hinkie's dream. He can shoot it off the bounce, or spot up. Needs work on his passing and ballhandling. But man what a scorer he is.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14609771/oklahoma-buddy-hield-worked-way-top

awesome article on Hield. I'm sold on him, he's my dream Lakers pick at 4 or 5. If we end up the 3, I think you have to go with him. I don't care how old he is, look at that work ethic. Similar 4 year players with hard work ethics? Dame Lillard, CJ McCollum, and Draymond Green.

I think we can stick with Ish at PG and grab a pure scorer like him to start filling out our wings. Imagine what he'd do instead of Jakarr and Hollis...

LSU vs OU today at 5 btw.

[iMoreland]

No way any team should take Hield in the top 5.

[freshie2]

He has been impressive. That much production at such high percentages is nothing to sneeze at.

[Tension]

No way any team should take Hield in the top 5.

why not? He might be short for a SG in today's standards, but his 6'8 wingspan makes up for it. Exum and Smart went 5&6 in what might be the deeper draft class. Oladipo went #2. Hield has NBA range and shooting at an elite rate. He's shown nice slashing ability and can cut. I think there's been a small resurgence of strong SG play where guys like KCP, Beal, and McCollum are needed to keep up in this new 3 point NBA era. Look at the mess Memphis is without one.

[Duke4life831]

No way any team should take Hield in the top 5.

why not? He might be short for a SG in today's standards, but his 6'8 wingspan makes up for it. Exum and Smart went 5&6 in what might be the deeper draft class. Oladipo went #2. Hield has NBA range and shooting at an elite rate. He's shown nice slashing ability and can cut. I think there's been a small resurgence of strong SG play where guys like KCP, Beal, and McCollum are needed to keep up in this new 3 point NBA era. Look at the mess Memphis is without one.

Oladipo, Exum, McCollum and Smart can all play the point or at least spot minutes at the point. Hield can drive against college guards but he wont be able to drive against NBA wing players. He doesnt have the handle or the athleticism to make up for the lack of handle. Beal, Oladipo, Smart and KCP are all superior athletes and defenders. Hield doesnt have the upside of any of those guys you just mentioned. Hield is going to be basically a run around screen and catch and shoot player at the next level

[Tension]

No way any team should take Hield in the top 5.

why not? He might be short for a SG in today's standards, but his 6'8 wingspan makes up for it. Exum and Smart went 5&6 in what might be the deeper draft class. Oladipo went #2. Hield has NBA range and shooting at an elite rate. He's shown nice slashing ability and can cut. I think there's been a small resurgence of strong SG play where guys like KCP, Beal, and McCollum are needed to keep up in this new 3 point NBA era. Look at the mess Memphis is without one.

Oladipo, Exum, McCollum and Smart can all play the point or at least spot minutes at the point. Hield can drive against college guards but he wont be able to drive against NBA wing players. He doesnt have the handle or the athleticism to make up for the lack of handle. Beal, Oladipo, Smart and KCP are all superior athletes and defenders. Hield doesnt have the upside of any of those guys you just mentioned. Hield is going to be basically a run around screen and catch and shoot player at the next level

He showcased a good variety of ways to score today. Started off slow so he took it to the rim in the 1st half, now he's a flamethrower up to 7-14 from 3 leading a big comeback. Great ball game with 4 min left to go.

EDIT: Crazy tough shot on his 8th 3!

[76thBearCub]

I readily admit that I don't have the best eye for evaluating players. I go a lot more off of emotion and history.

But I think Simmons is overrated. As far as being a generational talent. I will not be surprise if Ingram has a superior pro career.