Official Trade Thread - Part XLI

[trast66]

Looks like the book on Tommy is great trades and terrible draft picks.

Never understood the terrible draft picks angle.

Rui is at least more or less, neutral in stock since the draft.

Deni definitely declined in value, but it's not based on him sucking, it's based on him not seeing the floor in a Westbrook/Beal focused offense. Deni's positive side hasn't been indicted at all really, he's just a ??? who proved nothing while playing not very much at all as a rookie.

We'll see. Haven't liked what they've done at all with the 2nd's, but getting Rui and Deni at slot were value. I get why people wanted Halibutorn, but at slot last year, Haliburton was basically the best high floor guy on the board, and Deni was the best ceiling option. I go best ceiling every time when the roster isn't good enough w/another high floor guy to make a jump.

I do see the value in Haliburton from the stance that he was a near lock to be at worst, an excellent 3rd or 4th option on a good team, and a great trade piece, which is definitely the best counter to taking Deni there. Otoh, Deni has a chance to be special, and Hali had a limited ceiling, and was much more valuable for teams that had their elite players already, than for a team that had 1 elite player, and not much else. I would have been 1000% being Hali at slot if we'd had two 20something studs at the time but we didn't, we had a question mark in Rui, and Beal, and nothing else young worth a damn (I guess Bryant).

That pick might end up hurting us long term, but the good process behind it, best practices and all, is what I want a franchise to do. I don't want us nibbling around the edges with peripheral pieces when we have a low upside, mediocre roster, we need to keep swinging for the fences until we hit. Not try to simply hit singles and doubles.

I do think Rui less upside than Deni. And the Admiral pick was bad. Drafting is a crapshoot where we had picks under Tommy. I agree we should go high upside, really don’t want Duarte for example in our situation.

[Gig18]

It's a gamble no matter where you are in the draft. Darko Milicic, Sam Bowie. Anthony Bennett.
it's small wonder coaches and GMs often prefer getting a vet than a rookie --- no matter how shiny they are.

[Dat2U]

Hey, what about Lonzo Ball as a S&T?

I still like Collin Sexton too as a trade option.

[Ruzious]

Hey, what about Lonzo Ball as a S&T?

I still like Collin Sexton too as a trade option.

Cleveland acquired another point guard - Rubio. What the what? Sure seems like Sexton is going.

[TGW]

Hey, what about Lonzo Ball as a S&T?

I still like Collin Sexton too as a trade option.

The beauty is now it’s possible. Westbrook is a hog on the court and on the books. Having smaller movable pieces makes it easier to do trades.

[Dat2U]

Hey, what about Lonzo Ball as a S&T?

I still like Collin Sexton too as a trade option.

Cleveland acquired another point guard - Rubio. What the what? Sure seems like Sexton is going.

I have no idea of the asking price tho. I've wondered if we could get him for the 15.

[payitforward]

Dang!! I go out for dinner, & the world turns upside down!

If we get the #22 pick in this deal, I am really impressed. If not, at least we have more chips to play with. Some tradeable contracts, some players who are reasonable value for their salaries.

Plus, now Bertans is on the block -- another outstanding decision. Here's hoping someone bites.

Now buy a R2 pick.

[DCZards]

Read on Twitter

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Because clearing cap space has always worked out so well for this team, what a joke. Totally directionless.

Have you been paying any attention whatsoever to how things have changed since TS took over as GM?

[The Consiglieri]

I do think Rui less upside than Deni. And the Admiral pick was bad. Drafting is a crapshoot where we had picks under Tommy. I agree we should go high upside, really don’t want Duarte for example in our situation.

I am 1000% behind you there. You don't draft 24 year olds. It's a fools errand to do so. I can recall just some classic examples, particularly in football of trying to <put's on arrogant d bag hat> "learn somebody something" on this topic and nope, no chance. In the one case, some loon was arguing for a trade down for Brandon Weeden in '12 (RGIII draft), 28 freaking year old Brandon Weeden (can't remember why, was he on a mission, or playing another sport, but for whatever reason he was set to be a 28 year old rookie), six years later a lot more people were deluded into nonsensical arguments for Hayden Hurst, a 25 year old (he'd turn 25 in august of his rookie year) TE prospect.

The obvious counter to their arguments was:

#1: You're taking a 28/25 year old who succeeded as a prospect primarily against 18-20 year olds. Not a good sign.

#2: If you dig into any level of analytics on the topic, older prospects are always worse prospects because they have taken longer to break out and done it primarily against much younger, more mistake prone teens.

#3: even if they do hit, they're already in their prime, not rising into it, so you can't even justify a second contract, Hurst was set to be 29 when he was due for a rookie option, Weeden was set to be 33. Absurd.

Now do any of these guys ever own the idiocy of those arguments? Not a chance. Lol. Not a chance.


Needless to say, I see no reason for this. As a card carrying dip---- who liked Anthony Bennett and Nerlens Noel in '13 (admittedly I did like the right guys after them but I would've made a truly stupid pick at slot), and has plenty of other moronic takes over the years, I am annoyed by this a great deal. I didn't hate Nick Young or Baltche or Pecherov etc. I've drank some 100% great stupidity on draft nights over the years lol, people have this ridiculous aversion to owning their stupid takes over the years. I don't understand it.

[DCZards]

1. Jalen Johnson: My fav kind of pick when outside the blue chip zone: steal a guy who had a rating/ranking much higher before the season. This is particularly valid during this covid crazy shortened NCAA season and relevant ing articular to Johnson and Williams right below.
2. Ziaire Williams: Same as Jalen, get a top 7-9 guy at 15 due to performance questions in a weird covid year. Yes please.

I'm with you with on both these picks. I think both Johnson and Williams are mocked lower than they should be because of the kind of weird seasons they had.

I'd also be alright with Durate, Kispert, and the Baylor Boys.

[Ruzious]

And Woj just said on tv that we do get the 22nd pick and give up "future draft considerations" to the Lakers.

[payitforward]

We give them a '24 R2 pick & a '28 R2 pick. No problem....

[trast66]

Looks like Westbrook can share a ride to LA with Max Scherzer and Trea Turner.

[payitforward]

you know with the # 15 & 22 -- we could maybe get this #7 from GS

[payitforward]

Not necessarily a move I want to make... but it's not impossible.

[payitforward]

yes i do....

[mhd]

Would Memphis do Bledsoe for Bertans? We get a vet stopgap at PG (who has only 4 million guaranteed next year). Memphis gets desperate shooting for Ja.

[Ruzious]

We give them a '24 R2 pick & a '28 R2 pick. No problem....

Fine by me, and hopefully they're late 2nd rounders!

[payitforward]

Can we hire Kendrick Perkins as assistant GM? He is exceptionally smart!

[Ruzious]

Hey, what about Lonzo Ball as a S&T?

I still like Collin Sexton too as a trade option.

Cleveland acquired another point guard - Rubio. What the what? Sure seems like Sexton is going.

I have no idea of the asking price tho. I've wondered if we could get him for the 15.

See if 22 and Deni do it. I don't think it will.