Ben Simmons Trade Thread

[76ciology]

Philly still looking for the player Fultz was meant to become.

Granted Simmons has done sweet FA to improve his game in the 1/2 court, but we still haven't seen this guy with a starting calibre PG. I'd be offloading Harris for this piece, then give it till the trade deadline.

If Sixers want to knock over the Nets, Simmons is the dude that you need. If he's PJ Tucker on offense thats all he needs to be very effective in the half court

Bucks were able to beat the Nets because they can play better on defense than Sixers and also play better on offense than Sixers.

Giannis, middleton and sometimes Jrue carried them on offense. I dont even see how Embiid could be as reliable as Middleton or even Giannis in crunch time.

Why do Sixers need Ben to beat the Nets? For his defense?

There are two mindsets we have to change in order to win.
1.) Embiid should play with someone who’s better than him on offense
2.) We have to learn to beat great offense by greater offense, and stop relying on defense to carry us

Until then, if we keep relying on Embiid and defense to lead us to a championship it will just gonna be a repeat of every playoff series since 2018.

Great team in regular season.
Great team in first round
Great team in the first to third quarter of second round
Problematic team in the fourth quarter of second round

Embiid and defense are both not that powerful on crucial moments in the toughest playoff battles. They’re not 0 but they are not as powerful as they are compared to regular season or on non crucial moments in the playoffs.

Embiid is reduced to be a jump shooter down the stretch. No, he is not a good roll man off PnR nor can he get the calls if he tries to bait for fouls with his drives.

Then on the other end, defense is powerless against guys like Durant or guards who are great at using screens like CP3 or Trae.

You really need to have great offense before you can start talking about defense.

..Well unless if your standard is just making it to the second round.

[Kobblehead]

Yeah, we need to get out of the outdated mindset of thinking we matchup with a team because we have guys that can defend their guys. Individual defense doesn't work. Great defenders get dominated by great offensive players. We will not matchup with the Nets until we have dribble penetrators at PG, SG, and SF that can't attack Irving, Harden, and Durant and make them work on the defensive end.

[BNelley24]

Wish we could get Fox somehow, I just dont know how to get it to work under the cap while creating a fair deal. I need some rumors this week

[eyeatoma]

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[51X3RF4N]

Yeah, we need to get out of the outdated mindset of thinking we matchup with a team because we have guys that can defend their guys. Individual defense doesn't work. Great defenders get dominated by great offensive players. We will not matchup with the Nets until we have dribble penetrators at PG, SG, and SF that can't attack Irving, Harden, and Durant and make them work on the defensive end.

This is so true. Even with Ben being DPOY and potentially the best defender in the game, and at 6'10...Trae still bombed 3s on him and it opened up the driving lanes and changed the game. Rendered Philly's 3 All Defense guys practically useless as Trae navigated screens, penetrated the lane, threw lobs that made Embiid look silly. And it wasn't just a one game sample. They did it the entire 7 game series with success.

Sixers won their games when guys hit lots of 3s and Atlanta turned the ball over.

Sixers have 1 guy (Embiid) who you can rely on to get a bucket when it's needed, and he isn't a playmaker.

If you have multiple creators who can get their own bucket, you stand a better chance in crunch time.

Tobias was decent all year and showed true promise as being a PF that fits next to Embiid. He created enough, he was a leader. He hit clutch shots up until round 2. He was wearing a ton of tape on his shoulder and if I were a betting man, that was hindering him agains the Hawks. He shot fewer 3s and wanted to work the ball inside more often, which was contrary to how he played leading up to that series. I know how it feels to have a messed up shoulder, the longer the shot, the less stable and the more it hurts. So, when my shoulder is bothering me I take it down low more often. Makes sense and I wasn't surprised in the Atlanta series seeing that happen. His shot was off as well.

But the entire seasons and Wizards series, Tobias looked the part to me.

Maxey looked the part.

Go get 2 more guys who can make plays and create.

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[Stanford]

Wish we could get Fox somehow

If Fox or SGA are gettable, we should be throwing a lot of stuff at their teams.

[Ferry Avenue]

Philly still looking for the player Fultz was meant to become.

Granted Simmons has done sweet FA to improve his game in the 1/2 court, but we still haven't seen this guy with a starting calibre PG. I'd be offloading Harris for this piece, then give it till the trade deadline.

If Sixers want to knock over the Nets, Simmons is the dude that you need. If he's PJ Tucker on offense thats all he needs to be very effective in the half court

But he’s not that, because PJ Tucker sits over in the corner and plays in such a way that an opposing defender actually has to guard him over there. That makes all the difference in terms of enabling the rest of the halfcourt offense to operate effectively.

[SparksFly87]

Yeah, we need to get out of the outdated mindset of thinking we matchup with a team because we have guys that can defend their guys. Individual defense doesn't work. Great defenders get dominated by great offensive players. We will not matchup with the Nets until we have dribble penetrators at PG, SG, and SF that can't attack Irving, Harden, and Durant and make them work on the defensive end.

This is so true. Even with Ben being DPOY and potentially the best defender in the game, and at 6'10...Trae still bombed 3s on him and it opened up the driving lanes and changed the game. Rendered Philly's 3 All Defense guys practically useless as Trae navigated screens, penetrated the lane, threw lobs that made Embiid look silly. And it wasn't just a one game sample. They did it the entire 7 game series with success.

Sixers won their games when guys hit lots of 3s and Atlanta turned the ball over.

Sixers have 1 guy (Embiid) who you can rely on to get a bucket when it's needed, and he isn't a playmaker.

If you have multiple creators who can get their own bucket, you stand a better chance in crunch time.

Tobias was decent all year and showed true promise as being a PF that fits next to Embiid. He created enough, he was a leader. He hit clutch shots up until round 2. He was wearing a ton of tape on his shoulder and if I were a betting man, that was hindering him agains the Hawks. He shot fewer 3s and wanted to work the ball inside more often, which was contrary to how he played leading up to that series. I know how it feels to have a messed up shoulder, the longer the shot, the less stable and the more it hurts. So, when my shoulder is bothering me I take it down low more often. Makes sense and I wasn't surprised in the Atlanta series seeing that happen. His shot was off as well.

But the entire seasons and Wizards series, Tobias looked the part to me.

Maxey looked the part.

Go get 2 more guys who can make plays and create.

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Tobias and Embiid duo put up numbers and got swept in the playoffs 1st Rd by Boston a year ago. This duo ain't good enough. Simmons truly is a win changer that should be paired with Embiid with a true guard that can score.

[eyeatoma]

Yeah, we need to get out of the outdated mindset of thinking we matchup with a team because we have guys that can defend their guys. Individual defense doesn't work. Great defenders get dominated by great offensive players. We will not matchup with the Nets until we have dribble penetrators at PG, SG, and SF that can't attack Irving, Harden, and Durant and make them work on the defensive end.

This is so true. Even with Ben being DPOY and potentially the best defender in the game, and at 6'10...Trae still bombed 3s on him and it opened up the driving lanes and changed the game. Rendered Philly's 3 All Defense guys practically useless as Trae navigated screens, penetrated the lane, threw lobs that made Embiid look silly. And it wasn't just a one game sample. They did it the entire 7 game series with success.

Sixers won their games when guys hit lots of 3s and Atlanta turned the ball over.

Sixers have 1 guy (Embiid) who you can rely on to get a bucket when it's needed, and he isn't a playmaker.

If you have multiple creators who can get their own bucket, you stand a better chance in crunch time.

Tobias was decent all year and showed true promise as being a PF that fits next to Embiid. He created enough, he was a leader. He hit clutch shots up until round 2. He was wearing a ton of tape on his shoulder and if I were a betting man, that was hindering him agains the Hawks. He shot fewer 3s and wanted to work the ball inside more often, which was contrary to how he played leading up to that series. I know how it feels to have a messed up shoulder, the longer the shot, the less stable and the more it hurts. So, when my shoulder is bothering me I take it down low more often. Makes sense and I wasn't surprised in the Atlanta series seeing that happen. His shot was off as well.

But the entire seasons and Wizards series, Tobias looked the part to me.

Maxey looked the part.

Go get 2 more guys who can make plays and create.

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Tobias and Embiid duo put up numbers and got swept in the playoffs 1st Rd by Boston a year ago. This duo ain't good enough. Simmons truly is a win changer that should be paired with Embiid with a true guard that can score.

Nobody said they would be. We still lacked a perimeter threat who can go for 22-25 ppg. No one said get rid of Ben and don't replace him.

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[Mik317]

The Bucks beat the Nets because Kyrie and Harden were hurt… and Durants foot was a bit too long.

[KL78192020]

Ben Simmons and Embiid surrounded by all defensive Thybulle , 6th man Maxey and sharp shooter curry and a borderline all-star or star high level scoring guard needs to be tried first.

I even would gamble on a pit bull like Westbrook for Tobias and Hill deal.


I love shooting but this team lacks a true alpha dog and tenacious killer mentality the most. We had Jimmy but Westbrook is more athletic and even more dangerous off the dribble. He or John Wall would do wonders for this team.

Westbrook? So you have 2/5 guys who cant shoot for **** in the starting lineup. Westbrook is much better than Simmons but he still sucks. Wall is just done, he's body can't keep up.

[KL78192020]

Philly still looking for the player Fultz was meant to become.

Granted Simmons has done sweet FA to improve his game in the 1/2 court, but we still haven't seen this guy with a starting calibre PG. I'd be offloading Harris for this piece, then give it till the trade deadline.

If Sixers want to knock over the Nets, Simmons is the dude that you need. If he's PJ Tucker on offense thats all he needs to be very effective in the half court

Ugh Fultz. The **** that BC fuc'd up. Team could've been a dynasty.

[eyeatoma]

The Bucks beat the Nets because Kyrie and Harden were hurt… and Durants foot was a bit too long.

Interesting enough it wasn't his foot, but his shoe. Durant wears a foot size longer than his actual measurement. So he probably though he was behind the line from a physical standpoint, except for his literal big bird shoes. No idea why does this, and it makes me wonder if that makes a difference with ankle sprains. Hell he tore an achilles, isn't that a big deal lol?

[76ciology]

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[Stanford]

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Wouldn't Klutch want to lower his trade value?

[Mik317]

as stated, Ben is a regular season floor raiser and the allure of his theoretical upside still exists even if only in the new start sense.

now whether or not that means we can get super upgrades for him or not is the question but this idea that no one wants him is flawed.

[76ciology]

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So this was the source for fox simmons rumor.

[Tomjas]

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So this was the source for fox simmons rumor.

Hield for Simmons lol

Long summer

[Mik317]

I'd kill for Fox

just mad he cut the Vegeta hair tho