Mavericks Summer of 2019

[Mr B]

This Danny Green thing is kinda getting embarrassing though. It kinda feels like holding the door for someone like Deshawn Stevenson. Which I wouldn't do TBH.

I mean, I'd hold the gate open for Kawhi, but maybe not exactly for Green.

Still waiting on Kawhi? Wtf
We have Luka effing Doncic, why worry about Kawhi?

Yes very embarrassing especially if Green goes elsewhere and Mavs big addition is Seth Curry.

Luka is great but Kawhi is the best player in the NBA right now. If there is any hope that Kawhi would return to Toronto it’s understandable why Danny Green would want to wait.


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[Mr B]

WCS is headed to Golden State.
I see no reason not to sign Boogie. Cuban has been drooling over him for years. I’ve never been a fan of Boogie at a max offer but if Mavs can get him on the cheap I’m 100% on board.

I do, because he sucks and isn’t a good fit.


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[Mr B]

Yuck at the Center-prizes. Cauley-Stein to Golden State for "slightly above the minimum" according to Lowe.

I think we completely overplayed our hand with Kleber and Powell. They are not worth $18-20M annually in this current market environment for big. I somewhat see the stretch big-factor playing in Maxi's favor but it's not like he's a knockdown shooter. One of those deals would have been plenty enough.

For instance Powell alone makes more than Cauley-Stein, Robin Lopez and someone like Theis combined next season. Kids like Gafford from Arkansas fell to the high 30s.

It's remarkable how team-friendly the big men-market has become...

Those guys (WCS and Lopez) took those deals in order to play for a contender. Dallas is not a contender at this point so vets are not going to be willing to play for the vet min to sign here.


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[JamesConway]

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Marcus Morris? Now that would be amazing.

[ejs78]

This is fine but whos the legit 3rd option?

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[Archx]

This is fine but whos the legit 3rd option?

Mavs going with the old school 00-02 Lakers "2 stars+great role players" team

[ozwizard8]

Yuck at the Center-prizes. Cauley-Stein to Golden State for "slightly above the minimum" according to Lowe.

I think we completely overplayed our hand with Kleber and Powell. They are not worth $18-20M annually in this current market environment for big. I somewhat see the stretch big-factor playing in Maxi's favor but it's not like he's a knockdown shooter. One of those deals would have been plenty enough.

For instance Powell alone makes more than Cauley-Stein, Robin Lopez and someone like Theis combined next season. Kids like Gafford from Arkansas fell to the high 30s.

It's remarkable how team-friendly the big men-market has become...

Those guys (WCS and Lopez) took those deals in order to play for a contender. Dallas is not a contender at this point so vets are not going to be willing to play for the vet min to sign here.


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Don't be front office apologist.

RoLo would sign with Dallas for maybe $2-3m more.
Offer WCS starting role he'd sign for the same money. And he's a RFA. If he signed a cheap contract just to play at contender it can get matched. And then he'll be at mercy of Kings FO.

Honestly, I hate even the FA rumors for Mavs.
Trading for Olynk, Dragic, Gallinari...
Why do people assume Dallas look for another offensive player without any defense or athleticism?

Thad Young+Beverley signed for 80m/4 year.
Give them 100m/4 year and they'd be here for sure.
Even K.Looney, WCS, Harkless trade would be good options. If Mavs offered 22m/3 year to K.Looney-instead of 15- do you think he'd refuse it?
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Kleber-Powell are overpaid and long contracts. Seth Curry is either too long contract or overpay.
S.Curry struggled get a minimum contract for many years. He didn't played huge role or sth for Portland. 32m/4 year? Its not like he showed consistent performance for 2-3 years.
Even Knicks put some trade options in their contracts. I think those signings are below average.

[ejs78]

They really need to unload THJ and Lee for #3

This is fine but whos the legit 3rd option?

Mavs going with the old school 00-02 Lakers "2 stars+great role players" team

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[ozwizard8]

This is fine but whos the legit 3rd option?

Mavs going with the old school 00-02 Lakers "2 stars+great role players" team

That team had great role players. Also 2 stars in their prime.

Mavs have 2 young stars with bench players.
Its really hard to make a case for Kleber or Powell to be a starter on playoff team. They'd be like 8th-9th men at best for a contender. THjr in same boat.
I'm hopeful for Brunson and DFS but right now they're not good enough to be a starter.

Sign D.Green+D.Cousins or another center. USE TPE. That way we can fix starting lineup and main rotation.

[Archx]

This is fine but whos the legit 3rd option?

Mavs going with the old school 00-02 Lakers "2 stars+great role players" team

That team had great role players. Also 2 stars in their prime.

Mavs have 2 young stars with bench players.
Its really hard to make a case for Kleber or Powell to be a starter on playoff team. They'd be like 8th-9th men at best for a contender. THjr in same boat.
I'm hopeful for Brunson and DFS but right now they're not good enough to be a starter.

Sign D.Green+D.Cousins or another center. USE TPE. That way we can fix starting lineup and main rotation.

Well obviously i was only half serious about that BUT keep in mind, Doncic didn't want to lose anyone and said he is happy with the team. They added KP and they will add more good role players that can shoot and play defense. Bench will be really deep and they will keep the team together for some years which is important for stability.

Also i see a lot of people saying Mavs will "waste" Doncic etc.. I mean Luka is like 6-7 years away from his prime lol, same goes for KP 3-4 years away. They can take it really easy and make sure that they get non ball dominant players. And so far, they established that.
Make sure LD and KP evolve into the best players that they can be and keep building around them. When it's time to contend, then dig deep and try to get 3rd star or whatever..

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This puzzles me. Who is better than M.Morris and is still available... hm.

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[Teffer10]

This puzzles me. Who is better than M.Morris and is still available... hm.

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Maybe the other M. Morris

[2011Champs]

Mavs next two major signings to finish free agency will be Devin Harris and Salah Mejri. Mavs will just punt the valuable trade exception also.

[ejs78]

Mavs next two major signings to finish free agency will be Devin Harris and Salah Mejri. Mavs will just punt the valuable trade exception also.

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[Pointguard01]

This is exactly why I was all in on taking on salary vs. taking it up for the chance at a start.

And in general, I don't love these moves.

But if you can pul off Danny Green, you've surrounded your start with a 2nd star and the 2nd and 3rd best 3FG% shooters in the league from last year. It's far from the pipedream that we had, but this team is much better than a year ago. Now, the ceiling on this team is a 7th seed, but the peices fit. And assuming you give Green a 2-year deal (yikes if they give him more), you still have plenty of room to go hunting for the 3rd banana in 2021 when Luka and KP are in their primes.

I also hope we are strategic in the salary with DFS and Kleber, where they decrease in salary, the way Aaron Gordon's contract is structured.

[Teffer10]

This is exactly why I was all in on taking on salary vs. taking it up for the chance at a start.

And in general, I don't love these moves.

But if you can pul off Danny Green, you've surrounded your start with a 2nd star and the 2nd and 3rd best 3FG% shooters in the league from last year. It's far from the pipedream that we had, but this team is much better than a year ago. Now, the ceiling on this team is a 7th seed, but the peices fit. And assuming you give Green a 2-year deal (yikes if they give him more), you still have plenty of room to go hunting for the 3rd banana in 2021 when Luka and KP are in their primes.

I also hope we are strategic in the salary with DFS and Kleber, where they decrease in salary, the way Aaron Gordon's contract is structured.

I bet Green will get more than 2 years and I'm ok with guys like DFS and Kleber because they are the type that have a chance to be "lifers" if you will because they are probably playing at their ceilings and could very well remain cheap as long as they are Mavs, similar as Barea and Harris. It's nice to have a few like that to help maintain culture and chemistry and I think Curry and Brunson could fit in that category as well.
Keep in mind we won't necessarily need to add a max caliber player in 2021, just someone who is capable of being a 3rd option and who knows, that player might come about organically.

[jpengland]

Yuck at the Center-prizes. Cauley-Stein to Golden State for "slightly above the minimum" according to Lowe.

I think we completely overplayed our hand with Kleber and Powell. They are not worth $18-20M annually in this current market environment for big. I somewhat see the stretch big-factor playing in Maxi's favor but it's not like he's a knockdown shooter. One of those deals would have been plenty enough.

For instance Powell alone makes more than Cauley-Stein, Robin Lopez and someone like Theis combined next season. Kids like Gafford from Arkansas fell to the high 30s.

It's remarkable how team-friendly the big men-market has become...

Those guys (WCS and Lopez) took those deals in order to play for a contender. Dallas is not a contender at this point so vets are not going to be willing to play for the vet min to sign here.


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Don't be front office apologist.

RoLo would sign with Dallas for maybe $2-3m more.
Offer WCS starting role he'd sign for the same money. And he's a RFA. If he signed a cheap contract just to play at contender it can get matched. And then he'll be at mercy of Kings FO.

Honestly, I hate even the FA rumors for Mavs.
Trading for Olynk, Dragic, Gallinari...
Why do people assume Dallas look for another offensive player without any defense or athleticism?

Thad Young+Beverley signed for 80m/4 year.
Give them 100m/4 year and they'd be here for sure.
Even K.Looney, WCS, Harkless trade would be good options. If Mavs offered 22m/3 year to K.Looney-instead of 15- do you think he'd refuse it?
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Kleber-Powell are overpaid and long contracts. Seth Curry is either too long contract or overpay.
S.Curry struggled get a minimum contract for many years. He didn't played huge role or sth for Portland. 32m/4 year? Its not like he showed consistent performance for 2-3 years.
Even Knicks put some trade options in their contracts. I think those signings are below average.

Powell is overpaid, no doubt about it.

Kleber isn't, though. He hits threes and is sneaky one of the better defensive players in the NBA. His contract can also be front loaded as long as we keep a mil or so spare cap room so will be earning like 6.5m in his last year.

Im not a Seth Curry fan, but her certainly played a big role last year and the NBA has changed, you pay for shooting.

Im not happy so far, but if we come out of this with DFS and Kleber resigned and add Curry, Danny Green and a a guy like JaMychal Green then that's still a win.

This team was scrapping on the playoff bubble until we gave up last year. And when you throw in Doncic development and Kristaps Potrzingis, this is a much better team.

[XTraderXL]

I really dont understand some of you guys. What did you want Dallas to do?

The only players that would have made Dallas a contender were not even close to interested in coming to the Mavs. If thats the case, why would you not go with the role players on relatively cheap contracts? You have your #1 and #2, they are both young and need to develop. The best way to do that is to put role players around them and see how it goes. You can always trade during the season.

This team is much better than last years team even if they dont get Green. They have a huge upgrade in KP, Luka and Brunson should be much better this season, they didnt have a shooter like Curry. I would say at this moment this is a .500+ team already, probably close to 48 wins. They had 33 wins last season with all the DJ stat padding and lazyness on defense, trades and tanking after the trades. Especially if they get Green and if KP is healthy, I think Dallas will be the surprise NBA team this year.


P.S.
I know this may be a stupid question but can someone please explain what "MBT" stands for?

[arkuo]

How many do we have under contract now? 12 by my count and that's without possibly Danny Green.

Brunson
Barea
Curry
Hardaway Jr.
Doncic
Lee
Broekhoff
Jackson
FInney-Smith
Porzingis
Kleber
Powell

After the Danny Green thing gets resolved, and whether or not he signs here, we can still fill out some slots with the MLE or the veteran minimum. There are still a lot of guys in the free agent pool that havent been signed. And if push comes to shove, I wouldn't be opposed to having Demarcus Cousins or a Jabari Parker making the minimum.