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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1381 » by AQuintus » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:57 am

Krapinsky wrote:I'm guilty of it too, but it's funny how we give any credence to draft rumors at all, especially this far from the draft. Hasn't history told us that it's all BS at this point?


I don't know. I've never gotten the impression that there's as much gamesmanship going on as the NFL draft (for expample).

With only 2 rounds (and really on the top 14 of the first round mattering), I don't think there's a ton of point in trying to BS in the NBA draft. Everyone already knows who's good and who isn't. We pretty much know for a fact who is going top 3 already. The order they're drafted doesn't matter a ton, the teams will take whoever is left of those three without any movement up or down at all and be happy. The same is largely true for 4-8.

Also, in regards to Gordon (or anyone else) not coming to Minnesota to work out:

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It's not like the NLF draft where Spielman was able to convince the Browns that he loved Justin Gilbert, so that he was able to get an additional fifth from a pick swap with them.

The only point in convincing other teams that Boston loves Gordon would be to either drag value from them in a trade up or to trick them into trading up to 4 or 5 and allowing talent they like better to fall. However, the Lakers or Kings likely wouldn't care since they'd be just fine with one of Smart, Exum, Vonleh, or Randle. And other teams likely wouldn't care either since the cost for them to move up would be prohibitive.

The one exception might be the Wolves, if they think that Flip actually LOVES Gordon (and Doogie is leaking BS from the Wolves' side), then convincing the Wolves that the only shot they have at Gordon is by trading with the Celtics could be a decent strategy.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1382 » by gaspar » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:38 am

AQuintus wrote:We pretty much know for a fact who is going top 3 already. The order they're drafted doesn't matter a ton, the teams will take whoever is left of those three without any movement up or down at all and be happy. The same is largely true for 4-8.

That's not true at all.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1383 » by AQuintus » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:49 am

gaspar wrote:That's not true at all.


What makes you say that? If you're going to disagree with me, and appreciate it if you at least gave some reasoning on your end.

When was the last time a top 3 pick was moved like that? The 2008 Love/Mayo trade? Trades involving the top 3 picks rarely happen in the NBA.

As for 4-8, several teams are looking to trade out, but if a guy is looking to get Gordon at 8, for example, I'd be shocked if they'd like so much that they'd be willing to give up the (significant) extra assets needed to get the 5 or 6 pick instead. They'd more than likely decide to stick with 8 and take whoever is left of Gordon, Vonleh, or Randle.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1384 » by gaspar » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:59 am

AQuintus wrote:
gaspar wrote:That's not true at all.


What makes you say that? If you're going to disagree with me, and appreciate it if you at least gave some reasoning on your end.

When was the last time a top 3 pick was moved like that? The 2008 Love/Mayo trade? Trades involving the top 3 picks rarely happen in the NBA.

As for 4-8, several teams are looking to trade out, but if a guy is looking to get Gordon at 8, for example, I'd be shocked if they'd like so much that they'd be willing to give up the (significant) extra assets needed to get the 5 or 6 pick instead. They'd more than likely decide to stick with 8 and take whoever is left of Gordon, Vonleh, or Randle.

That wasn't the point of the comment I replied to. Or did I misunderstand you? You said that we know who is going top-3 and 4-8, with which I disagree.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1385 » by MinneOOPalis » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:09 am

Exum might go top 3.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1386 » by AQuintus » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:17 am

gaspar wrote:That wasn't the point of the comment I replied to. Or did I misunderstand you? You said that we know who is going top-3 and 4-8, with which I disagree.


Top 3 - Some order of Parker, Embiid, and Wiggens
4-8: Some order of Exum, Smart, Gordon, Vonleh, and Randle.

I'd be pretty surprised if it goes down any other way. I suppose that there's some possibility that someone like Doug McDermott or Dario Saric could slip in there, but I doubt it.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1387 » by MinneOOPalis » Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:34 am

Maybe there is a chance we can swipe Giannis. 8-) Two of the top 3 players are SF's.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1388 » by Krapinsky » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:57 pm

AQuintus wrote:
gaspar wrote:That's not true at all.


What makes you say that? If you're going to disagree with me, and appreciate it if you at least gave some reasoning on your end.

When was the last time a top 3 pick was moved like that? The 2008 Love/Mayo trade? Trades involving the top 3 picks rarely happen in the NBA.

As for 4-8, several teams are looking to trade out, but if a guy is looking to get Gordon at 8, for example, I'd be shocked if they'd like so much that they'd be willing to give up the (significant) extra assets needed to get the 5 or 6 pick instead. They'd more than likely decide to stick with 8 and take whoever is left of Gordon, Vonleh, or Randle.


Chad Ford's top 10 mock from June 18, 2013

1. Cleveland - Noel
2. Orlando - Oladipo
3. Washington - Porter
4. Charlotte - Bennett
5. Phoenix - McLemore
6. New Orleans - Len
7. Sacramento - Carter-Williams
8. Detroit - Burke
9. Minnesota - Caldwell-Pope
10. Portland - McCollum

The guy who went 4 isn't even on there. Noel wasn't in the top 5. Burke didn't go until 14.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1389 » by Worm Guts » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:10 pm

Not all drafts are created equal in terms of predictability. I would guess the top 3 is pretty set in this draft, Aquintus may be right on 4-8 (although I personally wouldn't stick my neck out with that)
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1390 » by Takingbaconback » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:28 pm

I think there is a top 4 locked up in this draft with Embiid, Wiggins, Parker, and Exum. I don't think any team is going to take Vonleh, Gordon, Randle, Smart,... over Exum. Exum is just too good to be passed over by a big question mark.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1391 » by Krapinsky » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:31 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Not all drafts are created equal in terms of predictability. I would guess the top 3 is pretty set in this draft, Aquintus may be right on 4-8 (although I personally wouldn't stick my neck out with that)


Even so... the whole Gordon to Boston rumor? Who would be gullible enough to believe that?
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1392 » by Krapinsky » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:31 pm

Randle's broken foot could push him to the 76ers at 10.

Ford's "Tiers" Column just came out. Wish I had insider for that one. Curious about tiers 2 and 3.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1394 » by C.lupus » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:25 pm

Yikes.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1395 » by MinneOOPalis » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:37 pm

This draft is going to be SO hype.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1396 » by Mattya » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:40 pm

If Randle fell to us at 13 I would be so happy.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1397 » by AQuintus » Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:45 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Even so... the whole Gordon to Boston rumor? Who would be gullible enough to believe that?


What's so unbelievable about it? It's right in his draft range.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1398 » by Krapinsky » Thu Jun 12, 2014 8:33 pm

AQuintus wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:Even so... the whole Gordon to Boston rumor? Who would be gullible enough to believe that?


What's so unbelievable about it? It's right in his draft range.


It's unbelievable because it's a draft rumor from 'sources'. Doesn't mean Gordon to Boston doesn't make sense. Some times these reports guess right, and some times they don't.
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1399 » by Grits n Gravy » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:21 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Randle's broken foot could push him to the 76ers at 10.

Ford's "Tiers" Column just came out. Wish I had insider for that one. Curious about tiers 2 and 3.

Tier 1

Joel Embiid
Jabari Parker
Andrew Wiggins
Last year, we didn't have any player in this category

Tier 2

Dante Exum
Aaron Gordon
Julius Randle
Dario Saric
Marcus Smart
Noah Vonleh
Last year, Tier 2 also was empty for the first time since I've been doing this column.

Tier 3

Gary Harris
Doug McDermott
Nik Stauskas
In 2013, we put the top six players in the draft in Tier 3: Nerlens Noel, Anthony Bennett, Ben McLemore, Alex Len, Victor Oladipo and Otto Porter

Tier 4

Tyler Ennis
Rodney Hood
Zach LaVine
Jusuf Nurkic
Elfrid Payton
Adreian Payne
Kristaps Porzingis
James Young

Tier 5

Jordan Adams
Kyle Anderson
Clint Capela
Jordan Clarkson
Spencer Dinwiddie
Cleanthony Early
Jerami Grant
P.J. Hairston
Joe Harris
Artem Klimenko
K.J. McDaniels
Mitch McGary
Vasilije Micic
Shabazz Napier
Glenn Robinson III
Walter Tavares
Jarnell Stokes
T.J. Warren
C.J. Wilcox
Patric Young

Tier 6

Thanasis Antetokounmpo
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Deonte Burton
Jahii Carson
Semaj Christon
DeAndre Daniels
C.J. Fair
Alessandro Gentile
Nick Johnson
Nikola Jokic
Rasmus Larsen
James Michael McAdoo
Jordan McRae
Johnny O'Bryant
Russ Smith
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Re: 2014 Draft Prospects Thread 

Post#1400 » by AQuintus » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:28 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Doesn't mean Gordon to Boston doesn't make sense.


So, it makes sense, meaning that it IS believable, but it's not believable since someone somewhere said it?
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