Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV

[80sballboy]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yabxdlr5

We throw in our 2019 1st and 2018 2nd.

I'd be intrigued by that but again, all three are expiring contracts for Morris and two scrubs. I guess you save a bit of money for next season. About $16.5M? I guess Ted might do that.

[Ruzious]

Hard to believe Evans is just 28. I would have guessed 30 or 31. David Aldridge, Wiz front office is gonna tell you either Evans or Lou Will is a star within a week.

[NatP4]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yabxdlr5

We throw in our 2019 1st and 2018 2nd.

I'd be intrigued by that but again, all three are expiring contracts for Morris and two scrubs. I guess you save a bit of money for next season. About $16.5M? I guess Ted might do that.

if Tyreke was on a 2 year deal I would probably do it. Nice playoff rotation:

Wall Evans
Beal
Oubre Sato
Porter
Gortat Mahinmi

a chance to draft your C of the future with 2018 1st.

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For the Metrics nerds/advocates, here are the top 10 players available in a trade according to BR
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2755937-metrics-101-ranking-nbas-top-10-available-trade-targets

Nance is intriguing, as a small ball 5 in the new NBA. Makes you wonder if they would take Mahinmi and our 2019 1st and 2018 2nd in exchange for Clarkson and Nance.

No. They sure wouldn't.

[NatP4]

Hard to believe Evans is just 28. I would have guessed 30 or 31. David Aldridge, Wiz front office is gonna tell you either Evans or Lou Will is a star within a week.

you can make the argument with Evans. 20-5-5 on .563 TS% and he is a consistently good defender. No-one talks about the guy but he's pretty elite. If he was on a multi year deal at that 3 million figure, I would 100% throw a 1st at him

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http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yabxdlr5

We throw in our 2019 1st and 2018 2nd.

Why ever would they do this?

[Ruzious]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yabxdlr5

We throw in our 2019 1st and 2018 2nd.

Why ever would they do this?

So they can tank without benching their better players. It's rather ingenious.

[NatP4]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yabxdlr5

We throw in our 2019 1st and 2018 2nd.

Why ever would they do this?

to get a few draft picks for players that will be leaving, and better tank.

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With Wall being now out for the foreseeable future, does Ernie still think that this is a playoff roster or is he going to try to make this a playoff roster. This means a trade is definitely happening but for what now.

I'd say the opposite -- Wall's injury has bailed Ernie out. Now, Ernie is off the hook for the horrible moves he made, b/c we don't have John, our "franchise player." He doesn't need to make a trade.

"John Wall is a true star, one of the 10 best players in the league, as we all know. Of course, without him we are not the team we were. You can't lose a superstar w/o suffering. It's unfortunate, but injuries are out of our control."

On top of which, whatever success we do have makes those jackass moves of his look ok -- after all we've lost this great player and, look, we're still winning some games. That proves how solid we are.

Although I'm sure he'll still try to deal us under the tax barrier, he no longer has to wave his arms & flim flam to dump Mahinmi.

We may even wind up keeping our R1 pick this year & not dealing the '19 pick either (not yet, that is). A good thing.

Worst part tho is that he's saved his job -- again!

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KO is the best trade asset Ernie has ever had (perhaps). What could KO and a 2018 1st pick get us? We could probably unload Mahinmi AND get back decent help. We gotta look at selling at on KO, Otto is not tradeable right now IMO.

Oubre has an extremely high ceiling. If the dumb signing of Mahinmi costs us Oubre & the '18 R1, that means that in June '19, we will be a team that hasn't added a good young player since 2013. In fact, in a decade we will have added 3 players via the draft. Nightmare. We won't be a good team at all.

Now, of course, if you stipulate the right "decent help" coming back, you can make it look different. Can you get Nance, O'Quinn, Tyreke, Josh Hart, Richaun Holmes, and... ummm Jordan Bell in the deal? Total salary $12m. Most of our problems solved.

Just kidding.... but, a pat on the back if you do!

[Ruzious]

With Wall being now out for the foreseeable future, does Ernie still think that this is a playoff roster or is he going to try to make this a playoff roster. This means a trade is definitely happening but for what now.

I'd say the opposite -- Wall's injury has bailed Ernie out. Now, Ernie is off the hook for the horrible moves he made, b/c we don't have John, our "franchise player." He doesn't need to make a trade.

"John Wall is a true star, one of the 10 best players in the league, as we all know. Of course, without him we are not the team we were. You can't lose a superstar w/o suffering. It's unfortunate, but injuries are out of our control."

On top of which, whatever success we do have makes those jackass moves of his look ok -- after all we've lost this great player and, look, we're still winning some games. That proves how solid we are.

Although I'm sure he'll still try to deal us under the tax barrier, he no longer has to wave his arms & flim flam to dump Mahinmi.

We may even wind up keeping our R1 pick this year & not dealing the '19 pick either (not yet, that is). A good thing.

Worst part tho is that he's saved his job -- again!

Unfortunately, this is exactly what EG is going to use to save his job, and media guys like Chris Miller will totally buy it. It's like scraping fingernails down a chalkboard.

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http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yabxdlr5

We throw in our 2019 1st and 2018 2nd.

Why ever would they do this?

to get a few draft picks for players that will be leaving, and better tank.

I misread it; you are giving them our R1 (not R2) pick this year.

All 3 players we acquire are unrestricted free agents 90 days from now. In essence that means we are giving away those 2 picks in order to avoid paying $17m to Morris, Smith & Meeks next year.

That leaves us with 8 guys next year, including Mahinmi, for @$109m & no R1 pick to add inexpensive talent.

No.

[NatP4]

Why ever would they do this?

to get a few draft picks for players that will be leaving, and better tank.

I misread it; you are giving them our R1 (not R2) pick this year.

All 3 players we acquire are unrestricted free agents 90 days from now. In essence that means we are giving away those 2 picks in order to avoid paying $17m to Morris, Smith & Meeks next year.

That leaves us with 8 guys next year, including Mahinmi, for @$109m & no R1 pick to add inexpensive talent.

No.

We will have made our 2018 1st round pick, so 9 players, plus we free up 17 million to re sign Evans, and whoever else

[dangermouse]

I guess that trade for Tyreke would be aiiit. Keeping that 2018 1st needs to be the imperative. This is a big-heavy draft and we have no young bigs worth a damn.

I'm partial to just moving Gortat for anything. A second and an expiring player. Then standing pat and tanking towards a lotto pick. This has been a frustrating enough year without pushing our guys too hard, bringing back Wall too early (again) and then just managing to get the 8th seed and losing to a Cavs powerhouse team after they pull off a trade that we all know is coming.

There's every chance LeBron bolts west so next year could be where we have the opportunity with a healthier team, more seasoning for our young guys and a lotto pick big off the bench.

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to get a few draft picks for players that will be leaving, and better tank.

I misread it; you are giving them our R1 (not R2) pick this year.

All 3 players we acquire are unrestricted free agents 90 days from now. In essence that means we are giving away those 2 picks in order to avoid paying $17m to Morris, Smith & Meeks next year.

That leaves us with 8 guys next year, including Mahinmi, for @$109m & no R1 pick to add inexpensive talent.

No.

We will have made our 2018 1st round pick, so 9 players, plus we free up 17 million to re sign Evans, and whoever else

Sheesh! I read it wrong twice....

Evans will be unrestricted & this will be a big payday for him. He will go to the highest bidder. He'd be nuts not to.

This is a business, Nat. When will another chance come for him to transform the rest of his life financially? It won't.

Anyway, Ernie is not going all in this year with Wall injured. He has a perfect excuse to give Ted for a mediocre season.

I'm sure Ernie will try to make a trade to get under the tax -- your suggested trade won't get that done, & Memphis isn't the right trading partner for that, as they are over the tax themselves.

[NatP4]

I misread it; you are giving them our R1 (not R2) pick this year.

All 3 players we acquire are unrestricted free agents 90 days from now. In essence that means we are giving away those 2 picks in order to avoid paying $17m to Morris, Smith & Meeks next year.

That leaves us with 8 guys next year, including Mahinmi, for @$109m & no R1 pick to add inexpensive talent.

No.

We will have made our 2018 1st round pick, so 9 players, plus we free up 17 million to re sign Evans, and whoever else

Sheesh! I read it wrong twice....

Evans will be unrestricted & this will be a big payday for him. He will go to the highest bidder. He'd be nuts not to.

This is a business, Nat. When will another chance come for him to transform the rest of his life financially? It won't.

Anyway, Ernie is not going all in this year with Wall injured. He has a perfect excuse to give Ted for a mediocre season.

I'm sure Ernie will try to make a trade to get under the tax -- your suggested trade won't get that done, & Memphis isn't the right trading partner for that, as they are over the tax themselves.

so we won't compete this year? and 2 years from now Walls extension kicks in and we have no chance at competing, so we basically have next year to compete unless Ernie hits a home run on a NBA ready center with a mid to late 1st??

ugh

[dlts20]

My only problem with the Evans trade is Wall being out. I think it can be very hard an awkward when Wall comes back. Evans will probably be playing 36mpg and won't want to go back to the bench. Evans will probably have been solid so Wall will feel pressure and maybe get down on himself for not being as good as Evans while rusty and the playoffs coming. Just is hard to make it all work in a short time span

[Dark Faze]

I'm kind of interested in seeing what it would take to get Bruno Caboclo from the Raps.

[Ruzious]

My only problem with the Evans trade is Wall being out. I think it can be very hard an awkward when Wall comes back. Evans will probably be playing 36mpg and won't want to go back to the bench. Evans will probably have been solid so Wall will feel pressure and maybe get down on himself for not being as good as Evans while rusty and the playoffs coming. Just is hard to make it all work in a short time span

One good thing about Evans is that he can play any of 3 positions, but you're point is correct that there will be playing time allocation issues when Wall returns - especially with Sato showing he deserves more minutes. It it was me, I would not trade a first for Evans mainly because he'd be a half year rental.

[Dark Faze]

Evans will cost a first, and on top of that will be too expensive to extend. Just don't have the resources for him.