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Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild"

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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#141 » by Dude-niagara » Wed May 31, 2023 9:31 pm

MiamiSPX wrote:Moving on from FVV and Siakam is the way to go. Not because I want a tear down, or because they cannot lead the Raps to glory (which is an accepted fact by now). But rather because they, through no fault of their own, are the top 2 options on this team and are about to be paid as such if they stay (again, through no fault of their own).

You just cannot have 75-80M tied up on those two. Look at the Wizards with Beal. That is exactly where I see the Raps with Siakam in 4 years.

Siakam's value will likely never be higher than it is now. I am not even advocating that it HAS to be youth and draft picks coming back. It can be a similar level player, as long as he is in a contract situation that is more favourable to the Raps at the current moment. Let someone else max out Siakam.


Exactly , I would to see Fred resign at 25 million and Siakam at 35-38 million because they want to give our FO cap space to improve the roster. That is not going to happen and then you are left with your two top paid guys not good enough to carry teams and no money to have quality depth. It's an easy choice, if these two guys were getting this team to the playoffs and wining a a couple rounds then you have something to build on. We missed the playoffs of 2 of the last 3 years and last season was mostly because the RAPTORS went on a streak because teams they were playing were missing all their top guys because of Covid. It's easier to get Barnes or OG to fill the #2 role and hope that trading Siakam and Fred we can bring back some quality players along with Scoot who could be an elite talent.
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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#142 » by Dude-niagara » Wed May 31, 2023 9:45 pm

Anticon wrote:A couple of things:

-They can't retool because that will just create gaps in the roster, as they don't have good enough talent to fill positions of need with stopgap players. It's really embrace a full rebuild or fully compete.

-They made a mistake at the deadline, but they shouldn't let that stop them from resetting this year. If we lose the pick, we lose it, it was an error but you move on. Don't compete just because you feel like you might lose the pick.

-The biggest issue in any scenario is the front office is scared to acquire conventionally talented players. They're harder to control but they need players that can do normal things well if they hope to be more than this slightly weird team they've developed.


Fans to stop worrying about losing a pick outside of top 6, if we get 3rd overall pick this season by trading OG or Siakam then that is your top pick for next season a year early. Remember that the draft next year is not as strong
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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#143 » by Dude-niagara » Thu Jun 1, 2023 12:17 am

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Duffman100 wrote:I'm having a hard time believe that our usually completely locked down front office is leaking all of a sudden.


I can’t believe this myth still exists lol

- we leaked our interest to trade for Poeltl for over a year
- we leaked our desire to draft Scottie
- they leaked interest in Gasol before trading for him
- they leaked interest in Ibaka before trading for him
- they leaked interest in Kawhi before trading him
- they leaked interest in trading Lowry before he was gone
- they leaked info that Nurse would be let go
- they leaked interest in PJ Tucker before trading for him

This is one of the longest running false narratives going.


The Nets came out and said they are not trading Bridges, the Raptors have not denied any rumours about trading Siakam
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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#144 » by John Murdoch » Thu Jun 1, 2023 12:33 am

DLO + Beasly+ #17 for FVV + GTJ
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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#145 » by Asif16 » Thu Jun 1, 2023 12:52 am

John Murdoch wrote:DLO + Beasly+ #17 for FVV + GTJ


Garbage for the raptors. Take Trent out
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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#146 » by dTox » Thu Jun 1, 2023 1:04 am

Kevin o' no source
Kevin o' hedge
Kevin o' no clue


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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#147 » by LoveMyRaps » Thu Jun 1, 2023 1:35 am

John Murdoch wrote:DLO + Beasly+ #17 for FVV + GTJ


You might find some willing to do that but I'm personally a big fan of Trent so I'd say no.
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Post#148 » by djsunyc » Thu Jun 1, 2023 1:42 am

dTox wrote:Kevin o' no source
Kevin o' hedge
Kevin o' no clue


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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#149 » by 6ixpessant » Thu Jun 1, 2023 9:23 am

The Raptors have a ton of assets, just the wrong ones as a collective. A "full rebuild" is a stupid concept, you can easily end up restarting them for 10 years. There are far too many variables that you can't control.

There are plenty of case studies... Sixers, Knicks, Kings, Bulls.... on and on. That said, if you can do what OKC did....... but they aren't there yet.
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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#150 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Thu Jun 1, 2023 10:04 am

Kevin is not the worst. I just wish he’d stop lying about not being a Celtics fan anymore. One team makes you emotional, Kevin. You are as green as it gets, just shut up with all that ”I used to be a Celtics fan” garbage.
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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#151 » by SocialistHipHop » Thu Jun 1, 2023 10:32 am

VanWest82 wrote:Whether the FO wants to rebuild or not is irrelevant if ownership won't back it. Something tells me they won't.


That pretty much sums it up. The Poetl trade happened to appease ownership with a playoff appearance. I can’t see MLSE walking way from playoff revenue, unless they actually believe that this team has no chance to make the playoffs, which may be the case after the play-in implosion, but doubtful since MLSE seem delusional.
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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#152 » by Kingsway_fan » Thu Jun 1, 2023 10:58 am

They could shock me, but I don't see them trading OG or Pascal... of course, we would like to see an upgraded new starting backcourt.... so, perhaps one of OG or Pascal could be traded on eve of draft...
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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#153 » by Raptaurus » Thu Jun 1, 2023 1:21 pm

They don’t have a pick for next year. Front office will likely double down trying to compete. Not saying that they aren’t exploring trades for Pascal, OG, etc. but they are likely only considering offers that can give them all star veterans or 2-way young studs but probably not draft picks. It’s all wishful thinking though as the FO is over-valuing their players….

They are more likely banking on getting a ready contributor from this draft, Otto retuning from injury, Scottie taking a big leap forward this season, and a better coach.
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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#154 » by InfraRedshaw » Thu Jun 1, 2023 1:28 pm

Raptaurus wrote:They don’t have a pick for next year. Front office will likely double down trying to compete. Not saying that they aren’t exploring trades for Pascal, OG, etc. but they are likely only considering offers that can give them all star veterans or 2-way young studs but probably not draft picks. It’s all wishful thinking though as the FO is over-valuing their players….

They are more likely banking on getting a ready contributor from this draft, Otto retuning from injury, Scottie taking a big leap forward this season, and a better coach.


can we stop saying we don't have a pick next year? there are protections on the pick. We can say it's likely we won't have it, but we really need to all stop acting like we won't have a pick 100%
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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#155 » by Raptaurus » Thu Jun 1, 2023 1:29 pm

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VanWest82 wrote:Whether the FO wants to rebuild or not is irrelevant if ownership won't back it. Something tells me they won't.


That pretty much sums it up. The Poetl trade happened to appease ownership with a playoff appearance. I can’t see MLSE walking way from playoff revenue, unless they actually believe that this team has no chance to make the playoffs, which may be the case after the play-in implosion, but doubtful since MLSE seem delusional.



The problem is that it’s not very difficult to put together a team to compete for a play-in spot. Every team in the NBA has at least some level of talent. You really just need for them to show up and play with some effort (and not purposefully try to tank). That’s all that MLSE may desire though - maintaining the illusion of fielding a “competitive” team to fill the seats day in and day out over the entire season. Extra revenue from one or two play-in games is like the cherry on top.
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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#156 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Thu Jun 1, 2023 1:35 pm

JKiddy wrote:Can I get your honest opinion on Freddie VV? What do you think he has left in the tank? What type of running mate(s) would suit him best at this time of his career?

He can’t be the 2nd best player or 2nd most used or taking the second most shots on the team especially he’s hitting only 40% of all his shots. That’s just super inefficient from any player on the court. If you get him to be your 4th or 5th best player on your team, he’s reduced to being an amazing 3+D player and he will make those open 3s, as per his play in the 2019-2020 campaign.

Those are his strengths and what he excels at. He becomes too tired or lazy on defense (noticeable drop off this past season) when he’s also asked to produce on offense.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#157 » by JKiddy » Thu Jun 1, 2023 1:45 pm

Hypo:

If the Nets secured LaVine and he was the 3rd/4th option behind Bridges, LaVine, CamJo, and would be tied for the 4th option with Claxton do you think that can work as a contender in the East?

Lineup would be:

VV
LaVine
Bridges
CamJo
Claxton

Possible Bench:

Royce O'Neale
Cam Thomas
Yuta Watanabe
1st Round pick BK keeps this season
D. Sharpe
FA Stretch 4/Rebounder
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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#158 » by OakleyDokely » Thu Jun 1, 2023 1:50 pm

JKiddy wrote:Hypo:

If the Nets secured LaVine and he was the 3rd/4th option behind Bridges, LaVine, CamJo, and would be tied for the 4th option with Claxton do you think that can work as a contender in the East?

Lineup would be:

VV
LaVine
Bridges
CamJo
Claxton

Possible Bench:

Royce O'Neale
Cam Thomas
Yuta Watanabe
1st Round pick BK keeps this season
D. Sharpe
FA Stretch 4/Rebounder


I think VV is a quality starter on a really good team. He just can't be one of your top scorers and on that team, he wouldn't be, so I think that lineup would be a good fit for him.
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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#159 » by Kordic27 » Thu Jun 1, 2023 1:57 pm

John Murdoch wrote:DLO + Beasly+ #17 for FVV + GTJ


DLO's contract is a negative, and he hasn't even signed one yet!
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Re: Kevin O'Connor: "There's people in that front office that want full rebuild" 

Post#160 » by John Murdoch » Thu Jun 1, 2023 5:21 pm

Kordic27 wrote:
John Murdoch wrote:DLO + Beasly+ #17 for FVV + GTJ


DLO's contract is a negative, and he hasn't even signed one yet!


Meh , he was solid in that GSW series..matchups make fights
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