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Post#141 » by Dez » Wed Mar 26, 2025 1:14 am

kodo wrote:This question is a long way off, but if in 2026 Coby gets a max contract offer from another team are you good with beating it with a hometown max?
Coby will be eligible for the 7 year+ max, not the 6 year max. 30% of the cap, 8% annual raises.

Year 1: $51M
Year 2: $55M
Year 3: $59M
Year 4: $64M
Year 5: $69M

Anyone who says yes is lying.
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Post#142 » by kulaz3000 » Wed Mar 26, 2025 1:31 am

Repeat 3-peat wrote:The handle, footwork, and more importantly the ability to get the line. I think this current Coby may be the norm...


This is why it's important for offensive players to get stronger, because it has a huge impact when it comes to attacking the basket and getting to the line. He hasn't bulked up significantly, but he is clearly stronger and actually uses his strength to bounce defenders off of him a lot more than he has in the past, and knowing he can do that now just continues to build his confidence to continue to attack players, even when they are bigger than he is.

In addition, his improved ball handling over the last few years has really helped unlocking his ability to create space from his defenders, or to get by them with his hesitation moves. Strength, and ball handling need to be two main focuses for Matas also, if he ever wants to level up as a player.
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Post#143 » by sco » Wed Mar 26, 2025 1:56 am

Dez wrote:
kodo wrote:This question is a long way off, but if in 2026 Coby gets a max contract offer from another team are you good with beating it with a hometown max?
Coby will be eligible for the 7 year+ max, not the 6 year max. 30% of the cap, 8% annual raises.

Year 1: $51M
Year 2: $55M
Year 3: $59M
Year 4: $64M
Year 5: $69M

Anyone who says yes is lying.

IDK, the $ keep getting more unreal every year, but if he is "this guy" for the rest of the season and all of next year, if you just changed the name to Jalen Brunson, you'd say "sure".
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Post#144 » by Dez » Wed Mar 26, 2025 2:01 am

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kodo wrote:This question is a long way off, but if in 2026 Coby gets a max contract offer from another team are you good with beating it with a hometown max?
Coby will be eligible for the 7 year+ max, not the 6 year max. 30% of the cap, 8% annual raises.

Year 1: $51M
Year 2: $55M
Year 3: $59M
Year 4: $64M
Year 5: $69M

Anyone who says yes is lying.

IDK, the $ keep getting more unreal every year, but if he is "this guy" for the rest of the season and all of next year, if you just changed the name to Jalen Brunson, you'd say "sure".


No I wouldn't.
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Post#145 » by BloodyQ » Wed Mar 26, 2025 2:04 am

If I see this in the playoffs then yes I would say he has seriously leveled up.

For now I'm still a bit reserved
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Post#146 » by SalmonsSuperfan » Wed Mar 26, 2025 4:34 am

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kodo wrote:This question is a long way off, but if in 2026 Coby gets a max contract offer from another team are you good with beating it with a hometown max?
Coby will be eligible for the 7 year+ max, not the 6 year max. 30% of the cap, 8% annual raises.

Year 1: $51M
Year 2: $55M
Year 3: $59M
Year 4: $64M
Year 5: $69M

Anyone who says yes is lying.

IDK, the $ keep getting more unreal every year, but if he is "this guy" for the rest of the season and all of next year, if you just changed the name to Jalen Brunson, you'd say "sure".

I'd rather pay Coby than Brunson (better hair), but this rate of pay just feels like Zach all over again. Coby's been my favorite player on the team for years, he improves on his game year after year even when it doesn't show up in the stat sheet -- but it gives me a bad feeling. Is he truly an efficient 30ppg scorer that is worth such a large percentage of the cap? Did it just 'click' for him after the Zach trade? I don't think that really happens. I think hot streaks are easier to believe. And for a guy who's entering his prime and getting better, you might anticipate the hot streaks look a little better. I dunno if you bank the franchise on it though.

Coby signed a great deal and should've gotten this opportunity years ago, would've made for great trade value. it's too bad he's doing this great stuff on a terrible team and his deal is about to run out. I'd hope he sticks around for a long time, but if we're talking about paying him 70 million dollars, count me out.
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Post#147 » by Chi town » Wed Mar 26, 2025 4:39 am

Plenty to time to talk contract.

I’m just going to enjoy the ascension.

It’s def more than a hot streak.
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Post#148 » by DuallyNoted » Wed Mar 26, 2025 5:10 am

can I just make a ben gordon reference regarding contract talk. it's a whole other argument but appreciate coby white while you can because it'd be a complete headache to keep him on this roster financially and not because of the owners but because of the CBA.

but in this scenario

we kept ben gordon for his 2/20 million or whatever as a show me deal, and instead of him flaming out in detroit he instead put up 30 points (both of these were possibilities)

now he has an open market but we just don't hold the rights to him anymore. so theoretical 30 pts per game ben gordon now has an open market. we have to re-sign asik(lol similar story) and kirk and deng and all the other dudes.

It's not an argument of if you want to keep a guy that is going to win potm, it's if in two years do you want to have a roster that is the exact same as now barring draft luck or the mavericks owner calling.
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Post#149 » by Dengness9 » Wed Mar 26, 2025 5:55 am

Am2626 wrote:
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Jcool0 wrote:
I would easily trade Coby for VJ who almost everyone thinks goes #4.


No thanks. I’m not trading a 25 year that’s balling out of his mind in a sustainable way for a 19 year old that’s nowhere near a can’t miss prospect. Would only trade him for top 3 and even that’s a gamble outside of Flagg.


If you wouldn’t trade Coby White to get a chance to draft Ace Bailey, VJ Edgecombe, or Dylan Harper you are significantly overvaluing Coby White. Also being confident that Coby White won’t regress is also a gamble.


I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. The last two drafts for example….Reed Sheppard and Scoot Henderson were the #3 overall picks, and you sure as hell wouldn’t give up Coby for those guys with what we know now….and then going the other way, The Thompson Twins at 4/5 two years ago, and Castle this year at 4….now those are guys you’d take for Coby, who can blossom into studs or have the true potential to. What makes it all tough is Coby needing a contract and just how much that will be. Hell we aren’t even sure what the top 2 picks from 24 will be, no guarantee to be better than Coby honestly. Pretty wild.
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Post#150 » by RSP83 » Wed Mar 26, 2025 6:47 am

Dez wrote:
kodo wrote:This question is a long way off, but if in 2026 Coby gets a max contract offer from another team are you good with beating it with a hometown max?
Coby will be eligible for the 7 year+ max, not the 6 year max. 30% of the cap, 8% annual raises.

Year 1: $51M
Year 2: $55M
Year 3: $59M
Year 4: $64M
Year 5: $69M

Anyone who says yes is lying.


ngl those numbers are crazy. That makes Zach's contract looks meh. Honestly, as a fan, at the end of the day what matters to me is cap space and whether ownership is willing to go over the luxury tax. I would love to keep Coby here, but at the same time we need to be able to build a full team. So to answer your question, as a fan without worrying about the management of things, I would say yes. That's because I like Coby, I continue to support him, and would love him to be part of this team's future. Can we afford Coby? I mean really afford? that's the GMs job. And I think GM's interpretation of that number is more nuanced weighing many different aspect.
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Post#151 » by erlim » Wed Mar 26, 2025 10:53 am

I hope he gets to super saiyan 2 and then 3.
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Post#152 » by PJSteven22 » Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:16 am

Dez wrote:No, Coby is streaky.

This isn't a new Coby, it's part of his repertoire and he'll mix in a cold streak where he's useless pretty soon.

He’s not even shooting well.
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Post#153 » by sco » Wed Mar 26, 2025 12:33 pm

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Dez wrote:Anyone who says yes is lying.

IDK, the $ keep getting more unreal every year, but if he is "this guy" for the rest of the season and all of next year, if you just changed the name to Jalen Brunson, you'd say "sure".

I'd rather pay Coby than Brunson (better hair), but this rate of pay just feels like Zach all over again. Coby's been my favorite player on the team for years, he improves on his game year after year even when it doesn't show up in the stat sheet -- but it gives me a bad feeling. Is he truly an efficient 30ppg scorer that is worth such a large percentage of the cap? Did it just 'click' for him after the Zach trade? I don't think that really happens. I think hot streaks are easier to believe. And for a guy who's entering his prime and getting better, you might anticipate the hot streaks look a little better. I dunno if you bank the franchise on it though.

Coby signed a great deal and should've gotten this opportunity years ago, would've made for great trade value. it's too bad he's doing this great stuff on a terrible team and his deal is about to run out. I'd hope he sticks around for a long time, but if we're talking about paying him 70 million dollars, count me out.

I hear you. My point is that we have all of next season to decide who he is. If we get lesser #'s, we won't have to worry about paying those $. If get the same, we have better context...if he is playing like this and the team still sucks (aka "Zaching"), it will be a tough decision, but if the team is better and he looks like a positive, IMO the decision is easy.
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Post#154 » by 2weekswithpay » Wed Mar 26, 2025 1:22 pm

Recognizing mismatches and attacking in space. Not a single Bulls' player is in the paint, and Nnaji is left on an island against Coby. This is also very bad defense, and you probably won't see this often in the playoffs.

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Post#155 » by sco » Wed Mar 26, 2025 1:26 pm

2weekswithpay wrote:Recognizing mismatches and attacking in space. Not a single Bulls' player is in the paint, and Nnaji is left on an island against Coby. This is also very bad defense, and you probably won't see this often in the playoffs.


Good to see other teams fall victim to stupid switching on defense. Coby's 3pt shooting is his friend here because bigs need to come out to contest and he's now recognizing how to exploit those matchups.
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Post#156 » by FriedRise » Tue Apr 1, 2025 8:06 pm

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Post#157 » by League Circles » Tue Apr 1, 2025 8:25 pm

PJSteven22 wrote:
Dez wrote:No, Coby is streaky.

This isn't a new Coby, it's part of his repertoire and he'll mix in a cold streak where he's useless pretty soon.

He’s not even shooting well.

His career high TS% of .593 this year is pretty damn good for a high volume perimeter scorer IMO. Not great, but good.
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Post#158 » by jordanwilliams6 » Tue Apr 1, 2025 8:48 pm

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Dez wrote:No, Coby is streaky.

This isn't a new Coby, it's part of his repertoire and he'll mix in a cold streak where he's useless pretty soon.

He’s not even shooting well.

His career high TS% of .593 this year is pretty damn good for a high volume perimeter scorer IMO. Not great, but good.

He’s referring to his outside shooting that isn’t above his norm.

The main improvement is his finishing and ability to get to the rim which is FAR more likely to be sustainable than a random stretch of hot 3 point shooting.
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Post#159 » by yifsuibfe1 » Tue Apr 1, 2025 8:48 pm

Any Marc Stein subscribers? Seems like there’s some info related to Giddey and Coby based on his tweet thumbnail.
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Post#160 » by NecessaryEvil » Tue Apr 1, 2025 9:28 pm

Congrats to Mr White. That’s an amazing accomplishment.

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