2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

[machu46]

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Mitchell, Jackson, Giles, Leaf, BAM and Allen are on the sheet

I actually take this to mean that Mitchell doesn't have a promise above our pick and that Kennard, Giles, Patton, and Ferguson all do. While I had been warming to Kennard, Giles, and Patton I think this is a positive development in that some of these mocks seem woefully wrong and even Ntilikina appears to be dropping into our range.

I don't get why FOs make promises like this though. Does anyone think that Charlotte would rather have Frank the Tank than 4 1st INCLUDING the Nets pick this year? I sure don't. I would always give myself outs to make moves if someone knocked my socks off with an offer. Its one thing to give a wide berth to FAs. Its another thing entirely to overpromise picks that will be under team control for 7 years.

There has been a lot of talk about Leaf and while I think he fits in the NBA he really doesn't fit our swarming long armed defense in that there is no sense in pressuring teams when you always have a clean outlet in whoever Leaf would be guarding. My nephew played on an AAU team that had several really good players that just weren't athletic enough to pressure with the rest of the team and it destroyed their defensive structure.

You actually think Charlotte was like "Man that's an incredible offer from Boston and it's definitely more valuable than Frank, but we PROMISED him! No take-backs, sorry Boston"?

[emunney]

Ntilikina would be great, think he could transform athletically.

[LuessiT]

Just find a way to give me Frank Ntilikina.

[LuessiT]

Ntilikina would be great, think he could transform athletically.

He's not even unathletic yet (e.g. play 1 and 2). His body isn't yet physically developed so a Giannis-like transformation isn't that unlikely.

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[SirChurros]

Think I said this recently on here, but I think Ntilikina will end up being the best PG in this draft.

Even his shooting "struggles" are vastly overblown.

[midranger]

Our swarming, long armed players don't fit our swarming, long armed defense. Reminder: we are an abysmal defensive team.

[HurricaneKid]

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Mitchell, Jackson, Giles, Leaf, BAM and Allen are on the sheet

I actually take this to mean that Mitchell doesn't have a promise above our pick and that Kennard, Giles, Patton, and Ferguson all do. While I had been warming to Kennard, Giles, and Patton I think this is a positive development in that some of these mocks seem woefully wrong and even Ntilikina appears to be dropping into our range.

I don't get why FOs make promises like this though. Does anyone think that Charlotte would rather have Frank the Tank than 4 1st INCLUDING the Nets pick this year? I sure don't. I would always give myself outs to make moves if someone knocked my socks off with an offer. Its one thing to give a wide berth to FAs. Its another thing entirely to overpromise picks that will be under team control for 7 years.

There has been a lot of talk about Leaf and while I think he fits in the NBA he really doesn't fit our swarming long armed defense in that there is no sense in pressuring teams when you always have a clean outlet in whoever Leaf would be guarding. My nephew played on an AAU team that had several really good players that just weren't athletic enough to pressure with the rest of the team and it destroyed their defensive structure.

You actually think Charlotte was like "Man that's an incredible offer from Boston and it's definitely more valuable than Frank, but we PROMISED him! No take-backs, sorry Boston"?

Yes. I think it even came out that that is exactly what happened. Why else would they turn that package down?

[machu46]

I actually take this to mean that Mitchell doesn't have a promise above our pick and that Kennard, Giles, Patton, and Ferguson all do. While I had been warming to Kennard, Giles, and Patton I think this is a positive development in that some of these mocks seem woefully wrong and even Ntilikina appears to be dropping into our range.

I don't get why FOs make promises like this though. Does anyone think that Charlotte would rather have Frank the Tank than 4 1st INCLUDING the Nets pick this year? I sure don't. I would always give myself outs to make moves if someone knocked my socks off with an offer. Its one thing to give a wide berth to FAs. Its another thing entirely to overpromise picks that will be under team control for 7 years.

There has been a lot of talk about Leaf and while I think he fits in the NBA he really doesn't fit our swarming long armed defense in that there is no sense in pressuring teams when you always have a clean outlet in whoever Leaf would be guarding. My nephew played on an AAU team that had several really good players that just weren't athletic enough to pressure with the rest of the team and it destroyed their defensive structure.

You actually think Charlotte was like "Man that's an incredible offer from Boston and it's definitely more valuable than Frank, but we PROMISED him! No take-backs, sorry Boston"?

Yes. I think it even came out that that is exactly what happened. Why else would they turn that package down?

I would bet anything that they simply thought Frank > whatever they were offered

Edit: According to the following article, the Hornets said they simply didn't think the Boston offer would make them better than simply taking Frank would.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/28/9058035/charlotte-hornets-frank-kaminsky-trade-celtics

[LuessiT]

Think I said this recently on here, but I think Ntilikina will end up being the best PG in this draft.

Even his shooting "struggles" are vastly overblown.

He's the best shooting PG prospect out of the top guards (maybe bar Monk).

[lvckv]

Our swarming, long armed players don't fit our swarming, long armed defense. Reminder: we are an abysmal defensive team.

Are there any good coaches in this draft

[BUCKnation]

Seems to be a lot of nice options in the 2nd round this year. Hart, Bell, Thornwell, etc... I'd definitely be looking to get multiple 2nd rounders.

[BucksFanSD]

I think we end up with BAM. We wanted Deyonta Davis last year but not his character. That would mean this year we would want BAM or Ike. I give the slight edge to BAM and his high floor.

Of course if we have rare access to Giles' medicals and they look good I wouldn't be surprised if we go there.

Leaf or Patton is possible, but I think our management knows we needs a physical presence.

We'll see soon enough.

[Istanbullus]

If we don't draft a C at #17 ... and we pick J.Jackson, Semi or Frank Jackson ... I was looking for a available C at #48 ... Now he has revealed himself

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Yes, Vezenkov is a good prospect ....
Buy Sixers seconds Horst ... Start working

Might as well. We took his father in the second round years ago. Terrible.

[Fotis St]

Hartenstein worked out for the Blazers .... move your analytics @*$ Horst .... Workout Hartenstein

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It seems he is a Portland fan, he worked out for the Nets and will workout for Chicago. Go to Chicago McKinney.

[midranger]

Tidjane Keita = French Giannis.

Probably not, but worth a 2nd to find out IMO.

[PANDEMONEUM]

Hartenstein worked out for the Blazers .... move your analytics @*$ Horst .... Workout Hartenstein

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It seems he is a Portland fan, he worked out for the Nets and will workout for Chicago. Go to Chicago McKinney.

he was born in Eugene Oregon.... same state Portland is in

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

According to the following article, the Hornets said they simply didn't think the Boston offer would make them better than simply taking Frank would.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/28/9058035/charlotte-hornets-frank-kaminsky-trade-celtics

someone should be fired for that.....as well as taking on Plumlee's contract

[Bernman]

Ntilikina is going to be a good one, from what I've seen. Can get to spots, is competitive and long on d, and his j is passable as of right now. If we move up it should be for DS Jr., Zach Collins, or Ntilikina; in that order.

There's an outside chance Nkilitina could fall I suppose. This is about an 8 player draft in terms of high confidence picks. Then from 9-16, one or more teams are going to go high upside, and Nkilitina fits that bill.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

I think our management knows we needs a physical presence.

desperately need a physical presence. for all the positives this core has, they're soft.

they need some "muscle" on this team.....which Is why I wouldn't hate Bam. Would really like Jordan Bell, too.

[Bernman]

Bam doesn't really play all that hard though. His effort is inconsistent. He's soft, in a way. We'd have to bring the toughness out of him. Certainly haven't achieved in that regard when it comes to Henson. He's physically soft, but he's also mentally soft. He's become a worse rebounder as time has went on.

You're drafting on what players project to be, not necessarily what they are. To me, guys like Leaf and Patton project to be solid rebounders or better. Leaf is already pretty good, and his physical softness can easily be worked on if he has the work ethic, which it seems he does. And Patton may not be a good rebounder as of today, but it's not for lack of physical tools that are undevelopable nor is it for lack of effort. He plays with a lot of nervous energy. Over time, with experience, that should be harnessed into just energy. Then he'll be more in the right spots and stable to grab boards. The weight room will also aid in that regard. Bam can't get physically much stronger. He needs better focus and awareness, and these things are trickier to develop, imo. If he does develop them, he could be a nasty player, and one can determine themselves if they want to take that gamble (I am intrigued but reticent), but I don't think he's a very reliable prospect to take. At the end of the day he could well just be a guy who pisses you off because he's not near the player he should be.

If you want muscle right now that plays like muscle, I think you draft someone like Bell. He brought rebounding and defense in college, then that carried over to the combine game. But as aforementioned, why would you pigeon hole yourself, when that greatly limits your options, and when the guy is ready to be a big contributor, the team makeup may be completely different and at that point we may need shooting (for example) and not muscle. In '15-'16, of course shooting and defense were our main problems.