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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1481 » by 76ciology » Wed Feb 3, 2021 6:07 pm

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Lowe also said that apparently Giannis is setting more screens than he ever has before so maybe between that and having Jrue as a second creator now will address the stagnation issues.

Still feels like they’re a guy short. And if Lopez is just old now that puts them in a tough spot.


They need a way better scorer than Jrue. Atleast someone as good as Middleton but preferably way better.

Jrue is scoring 20% on crunch time this season while
Bledsoe scores 40% for them on crunch time last season.

During the 2020 playoffs, Giannis is third on scoring in crunch time, 13% of their team’s shots compared to 26% for Middleton. Bledose took slightly more share of their team’s shot attempts in crunch time than Giannis.


I don't know exactly what stat you are referring to here but I don't find that very compelling or predictive of anything. Like you realize Giannis got hurt in the playoffs and missed the end of the Heat series right? And that Jrue number is based on what 2-3 games? Bledsoe has been collapsing in the playoffs for years and I think it's reasonable to expect Jrue to be a steadier performer.


My point is Jrue, Bledsoe and Giannis are all not reliable in the last 12 minutes or so of playoff games when the game’s scoring margin is around 6pts (crunch time).

Its not just the 2020 playoffs. Even during the 2018-2019 playoffs, Giannis only have a EFG% of 30%. While he took almost same share of attempts in crunch time with Brolo.

Given Bucks’ talent, Jrue was a bad acquisition. They need a far better scorer than Jrue. Jrue isnt going to solve their problem
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1482 » by Sixerscan » Wed Feb 3, 2021 6:40 pm

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They need a way better scorer than Jrue. Atleast someone as good as Middleton but preferably way better.

Jrue is scoring 20% on crunch time this season while
Bledsoe scores 40% for them on crunch time last season.

During the 2020 playoffs, Giannis is third on scoring in crunch time, 13% of their team’s shots compared to 26% for Middleton. Bledose took slightly more share of their team’s shot attempts in crunch time than Giannis.


I don't know exactly what stat you are referring to here but I don't find that very compelling or predictive of anything. Like you realize Giannis got hurt in the playoffs and missed the end of the Heat series right? And that Jrue number is based on what 2-3 games? Bledsoe has been collapsing in the playoffs for years and I think it's reasonable to expect Jrue to be a steadier performer.


My point is Jrue, Bledsoe and Giannis are all not reliable in the last 12 minutes or so of playoff games when the game’s scoring margin is around 6pts (crunch time).

Its not just the 2020 playoffs. Even during the 2018-2019 playoffs, Giannis only have a EFG% of 30%. While he took almost same share of attempts in crunch time with Brolo.

Given Bucks’ talent, Jrue was a bad acquisition. They need a far better scorer than Jrue. Jrue isnt going to solve their problem


What are you trying to say, they should have known Harden was going to become available and traded for him? He's fallen apart a lot in the playoffs too. When you play high level games against the best defenses it gets harder. It's the inverse of guys putting up numbers on lottery teams in meaningless games.

Jrue is definitely an upgrade on Bledsoe, we'll see if it's enough though to justify the picks (of course that's separate from whether it convinced Giannis to stay).
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1483 » by youngcrev » Thu Feb 4, 2021 3:26 am

Smart move by the Heat, realizing that the bubble was a fluke and tanking for Cade Cunningham. Riley's always one step ahead.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1484 » by stormi » Thu Feb 4, 2021 3:29 am

youngcrev wrote:Smart move by the Heat, realizing that the bubble was a fluke and tanking for Cade Cunningham. Riley's always one step ahead.


There's no scenario as it stands where they get to keep their frp. It's either being routed to OKC or Houston so as a hater I personally love to see it.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1485 » by youngcrev » Thu Feb 4, 2021 3:38 am

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youngcrev wrote:Smart move by the Heat, realizing that the bubble was a fluke and tanking for Cade Cunningham. Riley's always one step ahead.


There's no scenario as it stands where they get to keep their frp. It's either being routed to OKC or Houston so as a hater I personally love to see it.


Grr... Tobias trade... Why'd you have to remind me?

Looks like they don't have their second rounder either, so my not serious idea of them tanking is completely out the window.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1486 » by the_process » Thu Feb 4, 2021 3:41 am

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youngcrev wrote:Smart move by the Heat, realizing that the bubble was a fluke and tanking for Cade Cunningham. Riley's always one step ahead.


There's no scenario as it stands where they get to keep their frp. It's either being routed to OKC or Houston so as a hater I personally love to see it.


It's going to suck knowing the Sixers traded Mikal Bridges and a lottery pick for (kind of) Tobias Harris and Tony Bradley.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1487 » by stormi » Thu Feb 4, 2021 3:46 am

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youngcrev wrote:Smart move by the Heat, realizing that the bubble was a fluke and tanking for Cade Cunningham. Riley's always one step ahead.


There's no scenario as it stands where they get to keep their frp. It's either being routed to OKC or Houston so as a hater I personally love to see it.


It's going to suck knowing the Sixers traded Mikal Bridges and a lottery pick for (kind of) Tobias Harris and Tony Bradley.


we've lost so many trades to shocking degrees during the collars/bb/brand era that i'm not even fazed anymore
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1488 » by youngcrev » Thu Feb 4, 2021 3:49 am

the_process wrote:
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youngcrev wrote:Smart move by the Heat, realizing that the bubble was a fluke and tanking for Cade Cunningham. Riley's always one step ahead.


There's no scenario as it stands where they get to keep their frp. It's either being routed to OKC or Houston so as a hater I personally love to see it.


It's going to suck knowing the Sixers traded Mikal Bridges and a lottery pick for (kind of) Tobias Harris and Tony Bradley.


They got the pick in the Bridges trade though, so that doesn't add up. Not that trading 2 Landry Shamets is much better (weirdly they gave up Shamet and their own pick, and that pick later ended up getting traded for Shamet).
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1489 » by youngcrev » Thu Feb 4, 2021 4:44 am

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They traded the pick that became Bridges for the pick that became Zhaire and the Miami 2021 unprotected 1st.

So they traded the rights to Bridges for the pick, the pick as part of the package for Tobias, and also Zhaire for Bradley.


Yeah, I'm aware, which is why it feels incorrect to say they traded the pick and Bridges for him.

It would be like saying we traded Jimmy Butler and Josh Richardson for Seth Curry.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1490 » by the_process » Fri Feb 5, 2021 2:15 pm

youngcrev wrote:
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They traded the pick that became Bridges for the pick that became Zhaire and the Miami 2021 unprotected 1st.

So they traded the rights to Bridges for the pick, the pick as part of the package for Tobias, and also Zhaire for Bradley.


Yeah, I'm aware, which is why it feels incorrect to say they traded the pick and Bridges for him.

It would be like saying we traded Jimmy Butler and Josh Richardson for Seth Curry.


Yep, that was terrible too. :lol:
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1491 » by 76ciology » Sat Feb 6, 2021 5:25 am

League pass alert. Clips vs Celts.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1492 » by 76ciology » Sat Feb 6, 2021 6:02 am

76ciology wrote:League pass alert. Clips vs Celts.


As usual..

Close game. 1-3 PnR, 1-5 PnR and a lot of 1v1 possessions.

I like what the Clips is doing.

They can play without a point guard (usual target), Batum plays a big part. Batum and Ibaka are highly switchable on defense, this allows them to play good defense if opponents try o run 1-3 or 1-5 PnR. Add that to PG and Kawhi, elite wing defense.

Then they have a couple of reliable go to guys in PG and Kawhi. If one or both are struggling, they’d either insert or increase the role of Lou Will or Morris.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1493 » by phillynative » Mon Feb 8, 2021 1:13 am

The knicks aquired derrick rose for dennis smith who has been a bust so far. Not sure what difference he would make here but he would of instantly became the best shot creator on the team. I dont think we would of been willing to give up shake who is on a steal contract or rookie maxey.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1494 » by 76ciology » Mon Feb 8, 2021 5:48 am

phillynative wrote:The knicks aquired derrick rose for dennis smith who has been a bust so far. Not sure what difference he would make here but he would of instantly became the best shot creator on the team. I dont think we would of been willing to give up shake who is on a steal contract or rookie maxey.


I dont think there’s much demand for Rose.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1495 » by 76ciology » Mon Feb 8, 2021 5:12 pm

Read on Twitter


The guy who’s going to benefit the most in the Rose trade
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1496 » by eyeatoma » Mon Feb 8, 2021 11:02 pm

76ciology wrote:
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The guy who’s going to benefit the most in the Rose trade



Not really, he was in a slump before Rose returned.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1497 » by ivysixer2000 » Tue Feb 9, 2021 3:42 am

Maybe I need glasses, but this season its getting harder to see the difference between Tobias and Middleton.

Maybe I need to actually get glasses...but I don't think my eyesight is failing me that bad, I mean Tobias is getting a block a game (I know Khris has a lil better handles). One is an auto all-star, one isn't, which one?

I must be blind.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1498 » by 76ciology » Tue Feb 9, 2021 4:15 am

ivysixer2000 wrote:Maybe I need glasses, but this season its getting harder to see the difference between Tobias and Middleton.

Maybe I need to actually get glasses...but I don't think my eyesight is failing me that bad, I mean Tobias is getting a block a game (I know Khris has a lil better handles). One is an auto all-star, one isn't, which one?

I must be blind.


Middleton is better but Tobi is not that behind and he can get better.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1499 » by ivysixer2000 » Tue Feb 9, 2021 4:22 am

76ciology wrote:
ivysixer2000 wrote:Maybe I need glasses, but this season its getting harder to see the difference between Tobias and Middleton.

Maybe I need to actually get glasses...but I don't think my eyesight is failing me that bad, I mean Tobias is getting a block a game (I know Khris has a lil better handles). One is an auto all-star, one isn't, which one?

I must be blind.


Middleton is better but Tobi is not that behind and he can get better.


I agree, Khris is better, but the difference isn't as huge as some want to believe as Sixer fans who think we are terrible.

Tobias has work to do, but he is still younger than Khris.
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Re: Around the League: 2020 Offseason 

Post#1500 » by ivysixer2000 » Tue Feb 9, 2021 4:49 am

ivysixer2000 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
ivysixer2000 wrote:Maybe I need glasses, but this season its getting harder to see the difference between Tobias and Middleton.

Maybe I need to actually get glasses...but I don't think my eyesight is failing me that bad, I mean Tobias is getting a block a game (I know Khris has a lil better handles). One is an auto all-star, one isn't, which one?

I must be blind.


Middleton is better but Tobi is not that behind and he can get better.


I agree, Khris is better, but the difference isn't as huge as some want to believe as Sixer fans who think we are terrible.

Tobias has work to do, but he is still younger than Khris.


I suck, great game from Khris, but I can see that from Tobias.

Might never happen, but an unsober man can always hope. We get that from Tobias, sky is the limit.

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