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Post#1501 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 7:54 pm

KGDirkTD_Fan wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:I wonder what the Raptors are thinking?

They're willing to pay Quickley $175M/5, but traded Anunoby to avoid having to pay him $212M/5?

Raptors are wondering why they couldn't get a Bridges type haul after the fact of trading OG and Siakam. It's actually pretty insane what's been happening in the trade/contract market over the last 6 months. I can't assess the value for a lot of things unless we assume everyone is just dumb and overpaying.


I think how teams feel about handing a guy a max deal has a lot to do with that player's trade value. If you really don't want to do bring the player back on a max, he's got rental trade value for all but the truly desperate teams. You need to be able to just let that guy walk if things don't work out as hoped, and depending on your cap situation, that could mean having no means of replacing him.

You kind of see that with Ingram. He's like plan C for the Sixers and the break-glass-in-case-of-emergency option for the Warriors. The Warriors make the most sense to me, because if it doesn't work, they'd benefit from having $36M drop off the books next summer and admitting it's over (when Dray and Curry still have some trade value left).

The Cavs and Sixers need to worry about a situation where Maxey and Mobley are off of their rookie deals and they can't use the cap space anyway.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#1502 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:48 pm

Would anyone kick the tires on bringing in Westbrook? It is a 1 year deal at $4 million, Shams say the Clips are trying trade him.
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Post#1503 » by jbk1234 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:53 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:Would anyone kick the tires on bringing in Westbrook? It is a 1 year deal at $4 million, Shams say the Clips are trying trade him.


I wouldn't. He strikes me as having serious problems processing the fact that he's not the player he used to be.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#1504 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jun 30, 2024 11:30 pm

Nice get for the Magic of KCP.
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Post#1505 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jul 1, 2024 12:32 am

jb gonna reunite with his man crush Okoro? Pistons rumored to potetinally be interested in giving Okoro an offer sheet.
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Post#1506 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 2:49 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:jb gonna reunite with his man crush Okoro? Pistons rumored to potetinally be interested in giving Okoro an offer sheet.


There spacing is really jacked already and they just gave Cade a rookie max extension. It may happen, but they'll really need lottery luck to break put of the cellar.
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Post#1507 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:01 am

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JujitsuFlip wrote:jb gonna reunite with his man crush Okoro? Pistons rumored to potetinally be interested in giving Okoro an offer sheet.


Their spacing is really jacked already and they just gave Cade a rookie max extension. It may happen, but they'll really need lottery luck to break put of the cellar.

Sounds like jb's wet dream lol
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Post#1508 » by JonFromVA » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:08 am

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jbk1234 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:jb gonna reunite with his man crush Okoro? Pistons rumored to potetinally be interested in giving Okoro an offer sheet.


Their spacing is really jacked already and they just gave Cade a rookie max extension. It may happen, but they'll really need lottery luck to break put of the cellar.

Sounds like jb's wet dream lol


Well maybe the new lottery rules are working if the Pistons are ok fielding a team that tries hard and actually wins some games, rather than just hard tanking until they strike gold.
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Post#1509 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:17 am

JonFromVA wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Their spacing is really jacked already and they just gave Cade a rookie max extension. It may happen, but they'll really need lottery luck to break put of the cellar.

Sounds like jb's wet dream lol


Well maybe the new lottery rules are working if the Pistons are ok fielding a team that tries hard and actually wins some games, rather than just hard tanking until they strike gold.


They need players who can get the ball in the hoop. Badly. They don't have a Garland to play Okoro next to, or a Mitchell, or even a Sexton.
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Post#1510 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:26 am

jbk1234 wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Sounds like jb's wet dream lol


Well maybe the new lottery rules are working if the Pistons are ok fielding a team that tries hard and actually wins some games, rather than just hard tanking until they strike gold.


They need players who can get the ball in the hoop. Badly. They don't have a Garland to play Okoro next to, or a Mitchell, or even a Sexton.
Cade is gonna be able to jack a bunch of shots still. He may get a bump in assists with all the lobs he'll be throwing Duren.
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Post#1511 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:47 am

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jbk1234 wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Well maybe the new lottery rules are working if the Pistons are ok fielding a team that tries hard and actually wins some games, rather than just hard tanking until they strike gold.


They need players who can get the ball in the hoop. Badly. They don't have a Garland to play Okoro next to, or a Mitchell, or even a Sexton.
Cade is gonna be able to jack a bunch of shots still. He may get a bump in assists with all the lobs he'll be throwing Duren.


Duran isn't that good. He's not the lob threat that Allen or Mobley are.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#1512 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:52 am

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JujitsuFlip wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
They need players who can get the ball in the hoop. Badly. They don't have a Garland to play Okoro next to, or a Mitchell, or even a Sexton.
Cade is gonna be able to jack a bunch of shots still. He may get a bump in assists with all the lobs he'll be throwing Duren.


Duran isn't that good. He's not the lob threat that Allen or Mobley are.
13.8 ppg and 11.6 rpg, he's gotta be decent.
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Post#1513 » by JonFromVA » Mon Jul 1, 2024 3:47 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
They need players who can get the ball in the hoop. Badly. They don't have a Garland to play Okoro next to, or a Mitchell, or even a Sexton.
Cade is gonna be able to jack a bunch of shots still. He may get a bump in assists with all the lobs he'll be throwing Duren.


Duran isn't that good. He's not the lob threat that Allen or Mobley are.


They do have a bunch of players 22 and under who might just need minutes and benefit from some structure.

The thing I'm curious about is who on the Cavs, Bickerstaff will ask the Piston's FO to target with their $51M in cap space? If Bickerstaff gets in their ear, he might just ask them to go get Okoro for instance.
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Post#1514 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jul 1, 2024 4:05 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Cade is gonna be able to jack a bunch of shots still. He may get a bump in assists with all the lobs he'll be throwing Duren.


Duran isn't that good. He's not the lob threat that Allen or Mobley are.


They do have a bunch of players 22 and under who might just need minutes and benefit from some structure.

The thing I'm curious about is who on the Cavs, Bickerstaff will ask the Piston's FO to target with their $51M in cap space? If Bickerstaff gets in their ear, he might just ask them to go get Okoro for instance.
There's already a rumor they're gonna offer Okoro an offer sheet.

But since they handed Tobias $26 million next season and acquired THJ, i assume their available cap figure has shrunk.
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Post#1515 » by JonFromVA » Mon Jul 1, 2024 5:33 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Duran isn't that good. He's not the lob threat that Allen or Mobley are.


They do have a bunch of players 22 and under who might just need minutes and benefit from some structure.

The thing I'm curious about is who on the Cavs, Bickerstaff will ask the Piston's FO to target with their $51M in cap space? If Bickerstaff gets in their ear, he might just ask them to go get Okoro for instance.
There's already a rumor they're gonna offer Okoro an offer sheet.

But since they handed Tobias $26 million next season and acquired THJ, i assume their available cap figure has shrunk.


So they gave JBB some vets he can play rather than make him force feed the young guys? ...
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Post#1516 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jul 1, 2024 5:51 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
They do have a bunch of players 22 and under who might just need minutes and benefit from some structure.

The thing I'm curious about is who on the Cavs, Bickerstaff will ask the Piston's FO to target with their $51M in cap space? If Bickerstaff gets in their ear, he might just ask them to go get Okoro for instance.
There's already a rumor they're gonna offer Okoro an offer sheet.

But since they handed Tobias $26 million next season and acquired THJ, i assume their available cap figure has shrunk.


So they gave JBB some vets he can play rather than make him force feed the young guys? ...
jb hates young guys, so it makes sense lol
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Post#1517 » by KuruptedCav » Thu Jul 4, 2024 4:04 pm

Isaiah Hartenstein being a $30 million dollar man is wild to me. Also, I’m still annoyed as hell that the Cavs weren’t interested in figuring that out. He was a very easy to like player.


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Post#1518 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Jul 4, 2024 5:15 pm

KuruptedCav wrote:Isaiah Hartenstein being a $30 million dollar man is wild to me. Also, I’m still annoyed as hell that the Cavs weren’t interested in figuring that out. He was a very easy to like player.


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It really made no sense, he had like a less than $2 million team option and we declined it.

I'm happy for him though.
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Post#1519 » by JonFromVA » Thu Jul 4, 2024 11:15 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
KuruptedCav wrote:Isaiah Hartenstein being a $30 million dollar man is wild to me. Also, I’m still annoyed as hell that the Cavs weren’t interested in figuring that out. He was a very easy to like player.


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It really made no sense, he had like a less than $2 million team option and we declined it.

I'm happy for him though.


IH didn't see minutes for him, here and asked to be let out of his deal and threatened to play overseas if we didn't.
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Post#1520 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Jul 4, 2024 11:21 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
KuruptedCav wrote:Isaiah Hartenstein being a $30 million dollar man is wild to me. Also, I’m still annoyed as hell that the Cavs weren’t interested in figuring that out. He was a very easy to like player.


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It really made no sense, he had like a less than $2 million team option and we declined it.

I'm happy for him though.


IH didn't see minutes for him, here and asked to be let out of his deal and threatened to play overseas if we didn't.
No one can ever accuse the Cavs of holding players hostage, that's for sure.

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