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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1501 » by S.W.A.N » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:14 am

Clutch0z24 wrote:
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You can see the Raptors are interested in Ben Simmons so it aint crazy that the Raptors would be interested in a similar player in Barnes. they either want Simmons or Barnes at the 5


Exactly. A small ball 5 who can pass and defend multiple spots is a valuable commodity.


Lol a Small Ball 5....When Most Legit 7 footers are on the Court playing C who can hit 3s better than Barnes....Barnes is not a great Rebounder as well only averaging only 4 rebounds a game....When your playing Small ball you get destroyed in the paint Just like we ended up getting this Last season...Scottie Barnes is 6 foot 8 and is a good defender but hes not a rim protector or a shot blocker by any means and if we run up on teams that have legit Size and bang with a lineup of FVV/GTJR/OG/Siakam/Barnes we would get out rebounded by 30, Attacked in the paint with ease with no rim protection, And we would get beat down inside...And on top of that we would have no 3 point shooting or offensive firepower to withstand that...

We ran FVV/GTJR/OG As our 3 point threats and even had Lowry still and we were terrible and are in the lottery...Now you lose Lowry and expect Barnes to give us anything on offense? where we struggle the most....

The Barnes/OG/Siakam Lineup would be a utter failure and he just doesn't fit with what we need ...And your saying you don't draft on fit alone but get the most talent?....Well Suggs/Green/Mobley are all more talented and have higher upside than Barnes does atm soley based on the 3 point shot and offensive games alone....So at the end of the day we would be drafting for Fit + Talent so its a Win/Win...With Barnes your praying he gets a Jumper and i would rather a for sure thing with any of the Top 4 than a Prayer


Saying that Suggs/Green/Mobley are all more talented and have higher upside is your opinion. How the raps scouts see it is what matters.

As for the small ball stuff. Barnes is a legit 6'8+ in shoes, with super long reach and an excellent vertical. He can absolutely defend the spot for 10-20 mins a game against everyone but the biggest monsters. Besides, you are drafting based on long term potential not day 1. This nonsense about getting destroyed with him playing is such a load of crap. Look at our numbers with Birch at the 5 with Lowry Fred OG and Siakam. We were destroying people with that lineup. (small sample size but still)

He wouldn't be the only big on the roster and you play him at multiple positions.

You change the roster to fit the talent you draft. Only stupid teams like Philly keep trying to fit square plugs into round holes.

It is rather simple. The raps are going to draft the best talent available. And if it is Suggs/Green/Mobley/Kuminga I'm cool with that, but not one of these guys is going to come in day one and be a huge impact player.

I absolutely think Barnes has the potential to be a star player and a piece you win with. I would not be surprised at all if the raps had him slotted higher than suggs and green. I would also not be surprised if they have him rated much lower. Time will tell.

p.s Birch draft measurements vs Barnes.
Khem Birch.. PF/C__ 9.0 8.5 6' 7.5'' 6' 9.25'' 8' 11'' 208.8 7' 1''
Scottie Barnes SF __9.25 10.25 6’7.0” 6’8.0” 9’0.0” 225.4 7’2.75”
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1502 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:23 am

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Exactly. A small ball 5 who can pass and defend multiple spots is a valuable commodity.


Lol a Small Ball 5....When Most Legit 7 footers are on the Court playing C who can hit 3s better than Barnes....Barnes is not a great Rebounder as well only averaging only 4 rebounds a game....When your playing Small ball you get destroyed in the paint Just like we ended up getting this Last season...Scottie Barnes is 6 foot 8 and is a good defender but hes not a rim protector or a shot blocker by any means and if we run up on teams that have legit Size and bang with a lineup of FVV/GTJR/OG/Siakam/Barnes we would get out rebounded by 30, Attacked in the paint with ease with no rim protection, And we would get beat down inside...And on top of that we would have no 3 point shooting or offensive firepower to withstand that...

We ran FVV/GTJR/OG As our 3 point threats and even had Lowry still and we were terrible and are in the lottery...Now you lose Lowry and expect Barnes to give us anything on offense? where we struggle the most....

The Barnes/OG/Siakam Lineup would be a utter failure and he just doesn't fit with what we need ...And your saying you don't draft on fit alone but get the most talent?....Well Suggs/Green/Mobley are all more talented and have higher upside than Barnes does atm soley based on the 3 point shot and offensive games alone....So at the end of the day we would be drafting for Fit + Talent so its a Win/Win...With Barnes your praying he gets a Jumper and i would rather a for sure thing with any of the Top 4 than a Prayer


Saying that Suggs/Green/Mobley are all more talented and have higher upside is your opinion. How the raps scouts see it is what matters.

As for the small ball stuff. Barnes is a legit 6'8+ in shoes, with super long reach and an excellent vertical. He can absolutely defend the spot for 10-20 mins a game against everyone but the biggest monsters. Besides, you are drafting based on long term potential not day 1. This nonsense about getting destroyed with him playing is such a load of crap. Look at our numbers with Birch at the 5 with Lowry Fred OG and Siakam. We were destroying people with that lineup. (small sample size but still)

He wouldn't be the only big on the roster and you play him at multiple positions.

You change the roster to fit the talent you draft. Only stupid teams like Philly keep trying to fit square plugs into round holes.

It is rather simple. The raps are going to draft the best talent available. And if it is Suggs/Green/Mobley/Kuminga I'm cool with that, but not one of these guys is going to come in day one and be a huge impact player.

I absolutely think Barnes has the potential to be a star player and a piece you win with. I would not be surprised at all if the raps had him slotted higher than suggs and green. I would also not be surprised if they have him rated much lower. Time will tell.

p.s Birch draft measurements vs Barnes.
Khem Birch.. PF/C__ 9.0 8.5 6' 7.5'' 6' 9.25'' 8' 11'' 208.8 7' 1''
Scottie Barnes SF __9.25 10.25 6’7.0” 6’8.0” 9’0.0” 225.4 7’2.75”

Meh opinion, imho


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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1503 » by S.W.A.N » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:45 am

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
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Clutch0z24 wrote:
Lol a Small Ball 5....When Most Legit 7 footers are on the Court playing C who can hit 3s better than Barnes....Barnes is not a great Rebounder as well only averaging only 4 rebounds a game....When your playing Small ball you get destroyed in the paint Just like we ended up getting this Last season...Scottie Barnes is 6 foot 8 and is a good defender but hes not a rim protector or a shot blocker by any means and if we run up on teams that have legit Size and bang with a lineup of FVV/GTJR/OG/Siakam/Barnes we would get out rebounded by 30, Attacked in the paint with ease with no rim protection, And we would get beat down inside...And on top of that we would have no 3 point shooting or offensive firepower to withstand that...

We ran FVV/GTJR/OG As our 3 point threats and even had Lowry still and we were terrible and are in the lottery...Now you lose Lowry and expect Barnes to give us anything on offense? where we struggle the most....

The Barnes/OG/Siakam Lineup would be a utter failure and he just doesn't fit with what we need ...And your saying you don't draft on fit alone but get the most talent?....Well Suggs/Green/Mobley are all more talented and have higher upside than Barnes does atm soley based on the 3 point shot and offensive games alone....So at the end of the day we would be drafting for Fit + Talent so its a Win/Win...With Barnes your praying he gets a Jumper and i would rather a for sure thing with any of the Top 4 than a Prayer


Saying that Suggs/Green/Mobley are all more talented and have higher upside is your opinion. How the raps scouts see it is what matters.

As for the small ball stuff. Barnes is a legit 6'8+ in shoes, with super long reach and an excellent vertical. He can absolutely defend the spot for 10-20 mins a game against everyone but the biggest monsters. Besides, you are drafting based on long term potential not day 1. This nonsense about getting destroyed with him playing is such a load of crap. Look at our numbers with Birch at the 5 with Lowry Fred OG and Siakam. We were destroying people with that lineup. (small sample size but still)

He wouldn't be the only big on the roster and you play him at multiple positions.

You change the roster to fit the talent you draft. Only stupid teams like Philly keep trying to fit square plugs into round holes.

It is rather simple. The raps are going to draft the best talent available. And if it is Suggs/Green/Mobley/Kuminga I'm cool with that, but not one of these guys is going to come in day one and be a huge impact player.

I absolutely think Barnes has the potential to be a star player and a piece you win with. I would not be surprised at all if the raps had him slotted higher than suggs and green. I would also not be surprised if they have him rated much lower. Time will tell.

p.s Birch draft measurements vs Barnes.
Khem Birch.. PF/C__ 9.0 8.5 6' 7.5'' 6' 9.25'' 8' 11'' 208.8 7' 1''
Scottie Barnes SF __9.25 10.25 6’7.0” 6’8.0” 9’0.0” 225.4 7’2.75”

Meh opinion, imho


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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1504 » by Dalek » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:58 am

Trading Orlando for their lower picks seems so enticing. Imagine getting Cooper and Kai Jones. Look at how freakish Jones looks at the Klutch pro day:

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Not sure if anyone noticed at the end, Jalen Johnson in the background looking like he is 6'10.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1505 » by S.W.A.N » Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:02 am

Dalek wrote:Trading Orlando for their lower picks seems so enticing. Imagine getting Cooper and Kai Jones. Look at how freakish Jones looks at the Klutch pro day:

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Not sure if anyone noticed at the end, Jalen Johnson in the background looking like he is 6'10.


Barnes/Kuminga and Jones would be a heck of an interesting draft.
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Post#1507 » by Dalek » Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:14 am

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Post#1508 » by DelAbbot » Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:24 am

Brian Grant with 44 inch vertical. Strong AF. My kind of Centre
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1510 » by DatHomieYouHaTe » Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:50 am

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Doesn't matter for them.. Everyone wants to play in LA it seems so they'll always get nice players on the cheap to add to an already deep roster for years to come.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1511 » by God Squad » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:00 am

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ofc they do. Luka was a generational talent and he fell. It happens. ATM, NBA scouts believe guards>bigs. Theyve been wrong before

That is historically not true though. And it literally proves my point on bigs. Ayton went before Luka. If I need to clarify, I will. Generational bigs do not fall. They do not slip unless there are massive injury concerns.

Maybe there is a changing of the guard, no pun intended. But as I inferred earler, Wemby and Holmgren indicate otherwise. Generational bigs will always be in vogue. The reason Mobley is falling is because he's not quote on quote generational. He can be Bosh at best. If you want to categorize Bosh as generational, then that's another topic.


I dont think Mobley is a generational prospect and Ayton wasnt one either. Luka was, and the only knock against him is that he wasnt doing it against college players (lol) but instead was doing it in the 2nd best league in the world.

All i was saying is that scouts fall into dumb patterns. "This dude doesnt seem athletic so disregard that he dominated one of the best leagues in the world". "Guards are dominating in the playoffs today so let's take Green over Mobley". There's also job security at play here. If you take Green over Mobley and youre wrong, you can say you went with modern thinking. If you take Mobley over Green and youre wrong, youre out of a job cause youre a dinosaur who cant get with the times.

Reading and judging by this post, sounds like you would want to draft Sengun, NOT Mobley or Green.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1512 » by God Squad » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:52 am

WuTang_OG wrote:We've never seen a 6'9" centre dominate the way Sengun is being hyped. He's got good skill but the length/height isnt there. Gasol wasnt the most athletic guy but he had 7'1 height and good 7'4" wingspan

Thats why I can't get on board with Sengun. The stats and arguably the eye test back up that he's a damn good player right now. But his measurable leaves so much to desire for a center prospect. It's hard to see how he's going to be any better than JV defending the PnR or with any space in general. If he at least had the height and wingspan then I'd be able to talk myself into him becoming a good positional defender with room to grow.
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Post#1513 » by tecumseh18 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:10 am

Dalek wrote:Trading Orlando for their lower picks seems so enticing. Imagine getting Cooper and Kai Jones. Look at how freakish Jones looks at the Klutch pro day:

Not sure if anyone noticed at the end, Jalen Johnson in the background looking like he is 6'10.


Back when Raptors were 7/8, many of us got to love a lot of the prospects in that range. Maybe the Raps scouts did too.

But ... we've been able to pick up pretty good talent - OG, Pascal, Fred, Flynn - throughout the draft or after the draft. This is the Raps probably only chance to find a superstar. If the guy who drops to us at #4 projects as generational, then we can't trade down.

Of course, we can still trade Pascal for similar picks. But then, Masai would have to have a LOT of confidence in the availability and future of the guys we like. Maybe it doesn't happen until Warriors are on the clock at #7.
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Post#1514 » by Fast_Feets » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:56 am

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Jericho sims is top 10 for sure. Who doesnt want a beast centre.
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Post#1517 » by InfraRedshaw » Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:03 pm

I checked in with a Cavs fan friend of mine, he wants to re-up Sexton, draft Mobley and pair him with J Allen, said he would be "devastated" if they moved on from Sexton for Suggs...

Really has me questioning things here
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1518 » by Jerry Lucas » Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:14 pm

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Jerry Lucas wrote:The Cavs aren't passing on Mobley lol they didn't even think they would be lucky enough to get Mobley originally. With Mobley's defensive versatility, athleticism and perimeter potential, he would probably not start right away but eventually start at the 4 and pair well with Allen. Then the Cavs can run Garland/Okoro at the 1/2 (the Cavs GM has recently said he considers both guards as part of their young core).


The Cavs are a dumpster fire organization. They're notorious for burning top-5 picks on non-consensus busts.


Cavs will also be forced to take a guard or a wing (most likely) rather than another centre with allen ready to be re-upped who they love.

Cavs writer at The Athletic said having Allen will not stop Cavs from taking Mobley if he's there, because they believe Mobley can pair well with Allen at the 4/5 because of Mobley's defensive versatility and athleticism.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1519 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:17 pm

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The Cavs are a dumpster fire organization. They're notorious for burning top-5 picks on non-consensus busts.


Cavs will also be forced to take a guard or a wing (most likely) rather than another centre with allen ready to be re-upped who they love.

Cavs writer at The Athletic said having Allen will not stop Cavs from taking Mobley if he's there, because they believe Mobley can pair well with Allen at the 4/5 because of Mobley's defensive versatility and athleticism.


They're already going to ruin Mobley if that's the case. He's a modern day 5
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Re: Draft Thread Part 8: 4th pick !!!! 

Post#1520 » by DG88 » Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:18 pm

I still think all the stuff coming out is smoke to see what teams are valuing right now. I still think by the end of it the teams are going to love their pick and position.

I still see the top 4 going like this:

1. Cade Cunningham
2. Jalen Green
3. Evan Mobley
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