2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27)

[Bill Lumbergh]

Updated Ringer mock has us with a couple of guards.

30: AJ Johnson
54: Zyon Pullin

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

30. Johnson is receiving some late first-round buzz following an impressive performance at the draft combine. Though he’s raw, the Celtics have a lot of depth as is, and it could make sense for them to take a swing here.

54. The Celtics re-signed Payton Pritchard last fall, but that shouldn’t stop them from taking a chance on a player who could end up being better. Pullin is a knockdown shooter, and his size gives him defensive versatility. If his ball handling translates, then he could earn minutes sooner rather than later.

Can't say I love it. Lots of other guys still on the board at 30.

Ajay Mitchell still on the board at 54. Ringer has him way higher on their big board (32) than Pullin (50), but opt not for him to go til 57. Jaylen Wells laston at 58. Pullin is intriguing, though, from their full write up.

KOC has Ingram, Scheierman, and Flowers at 32, 33, 34. Those were the three guys I have liked so far for 30 ( that I thought might reasonably be available there). I do also like that Wells kid that Hal zeroed in on. Maybe 54 on him, though. There are others I like, too, but I don't think Brad will take anyone who can't shoot. I mean, I like Dunn, and he would be a massive hit if he ever learns to shoot. Who knows, maybe he takes a swing on upside. Best guess, though, is a wing who can shoot. I'm okay with a PG with some size, too.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Looked at quite a few Mocks and it seems like Bobi Klintman may be available (40% my guess) still have yet to study his videos. But Any thoughts on Bobi K as an eventual Horford replacement?? seems to have some decent potential.

Klintman is averaging 0.7 assists (with 1.6 turnovers) in 21 minutes per game. There is nothing to suggest that he processes the game fast enough to survive in the NBA. He was putting 0.8 assists in 21 minutes per game last season at Wake Forest so it's not even a system thing. Hard pass.

[Hal14]

I like him. Seems like a good dude.

Seems mature, like he's got a good head on his shoulders. Seems motivated. Good self awareness. And gives off some good energy.

It's not just Ingram's game (and body type, athleticism) but his personality kind of seems like Grant Williams too. Except less annoying

Ingram is also basically the same age as Grant was when we drafted him.

Read on Twitter

[redslastlaugh]

Givony new big board with intel lists Baylor Scheierman as the 25th prospect with sources saying the Celtics are his floor.

25. Baylor Scheierman | SG | Creighton

He's an easy fit for most of the teams drafting in the 20s and isn't expected to drop past Boston with the No. 30 pick.

Scheierman is a heckuva fun player, so I’d be fine with it. I don’t know if he’s gotten word that, on this team, the whites guys can defend tho, lol

[Bill Lumbergh]

I like him. Seems like a good dude.

Seems mature, like he's got a good head on his shoulders. Seems motivated. Good self awareness. And gives off some good energy.

It's not just Ingram's game (and body type, athleticism) but his personality kind of seems like Grant Williams too. Except less annoying

Read on Twitter

The guy that does the Locked On Blazers pod is from either Raleigh or Chapel Hill and is a big Carolina fan loves the kid. Says he's got a great personality to go along with his game.

[MaxwellSmart]

Really doubt the C's take anyone with their 1st round pick...Brad gonna trade it down and down....and down.

[hugepatsfan]

If ownership is to be believed, they will end up extending Tatum and White to go with Porzingis/Brown/Holiday already locked up. Maybe next year for White because of CBA limits, but extension no less.

Horford will probably retire after this deal. Hauser may be a tax casualty after next season. Heck, even Pritchard might end up someone they are forced to salary dump into some teams MLE down the line to save money.

My preference for this pick would be to chase floor vs ceiling. Try to find someone who can be developed for a year in prep to step into a 15-20 minute per game role. Nothing fancy. Not looking for some raw upside play.

[redslastlaugh]

I wonder how two financial windfalls are affecting ownerships plans re the payroll.

1. The new TV deal is huge, something like $75 billion over 11 yrs. so the cap is going up.

2. The two new rumored franchises have entry “buy in” fees like $4 billion each, so $8 billion total divided by 30 existing teams, which is over $250 million windfall to each franchise.

So this may be a good time for ownership to spend heavy, actually. I mean we’ll still have the apron penalties restricting some trades and FA signings but actual redline losses are looking pretty unlikely when you factor in these two cash windfalls coming to all owners.

If ownership is to be believed, they will end up extending Tatum and White to go with Porzingis/Brown/Holiday already locked up. Maybe next year for White because of CBA limits, but extension no less.

Horford will probably retire after this deal. Hauser may be a tax casualty after next season. Heck, even Pritchard might end up someone they are forced to salary dump into some teams MLE down the line to save money.

My preference for this pick would be to chase floor vs ceiling. Try to find someone who can be developed for a year in prep to step into a 15-20 minute per game role. Nothing fancy. Not looking for some raw upside play.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

If ownership is to be believed, they will end up extending Tatum and White to go with Porzingis/Brown/Holiday already locked up. Maybe next year for White because of CBA limits, but extension no less.

Horford will probably retire after this deal. Hauser may be a tax casualty after next season. Heck, even Pritchard might end up someone they are forced to salary dump into some teams MLE down the line to save money.

My preference for this pick would be to chase floor vs ceiling. Try to find someone who can be developed for a year in prep to step into a 15-20 minute per game role. Nothing fancy. Not looking for some raw upside play.

I see your point about picking a high floor guy but I actually lean more in the other direction of looking for upside*.

First I'm not sure there is such a thing as a guy with an NBA floor that late in the draft when the bust rate is so high. If a prospect had a guaranteed NBA career he would be long gone by pick 30. Sure some guys have higher floor than others but that floor is still not going to be NBA rotation player so I'm not sure that matters too much. For instance, Yabusele (16th pick in the 2016 draft, mobile big with a three point shot and some production at the pro level in France) had a much higher floor than Henry Ellenson (18th pick in the same draft, one and done that didn't even shoot well in college). Both have hit somewhere around their floor and while Yabusele is a starter for the best non NBA team in the world and Ellenson is out of professional basketball, in the context of the NBA, they are both busts.

Second I trust Stevens to plug the back end of the rotation. He has made an habit of conjuring rotation guys seemingly out of thin air (Hauser, Kornet, Tillman). The Celtics are looking at losing one rotation guy per year max over the next couple seasons. With the best team in the league and presumably a lot of ring chasers interested, it should be manageable with vet min guys alone (or if some of the projects already in house like Davison, Walsh, Springer or Queta develop). It's not a Phoenix situation where you have to find like 6 rotation guys out of the free agency scrap heap every season.

So I don't want guys that profile as regular season minutes eater, I want someone that has a chance (obivously not super likely at that spot of the draft) to be a playoff rotation guy down the line.

*I want to pick for upside only if the Celtics keep the pick. I believe the correct value play (albeit not the exciting one) is to trade out of that pick for future second rounders to maintain flexibility and the ability to plug rotation holes at the deadline with those extra picks.

[redslastlaugh]

History of the #30 pick in the new millennium.

Year Player School/Country – Team

2023 Kobe Brown
2022 Peyton Watson
2021 Santi Aldama
2020 Desmond Bane
2019 Kevin Porter Jr., USC – Milwaukee Bucks
2018 Omari Spellman, Villanova –
2017 Josh Hart, Villanova – Utah Jazz
2016 Damian Jones, Vanderbilt – Golden State Warriors
2015 Kevon Looney, UCLA – Golden State Warriors
2014 Kyle Anderson, UCLA – San Antonia Spurs
2013 Nemanja Nedovic, Serbia – Phoenix Suns
2012 Festus Ezeli, Vanderbilt – Golden State Warriors
2011 Jimmy Butler, Marquette University – Chicago Bulls
2010 Lazar Hayward, Marquette University – Washington Wizards

2000’s

2009 Christian Eyenga, Congo – Cleveland Cavaliers
2008 J.R Giddens, New Mexico – Boston Celtics
2007 Petteri Koponen, Finland – Philadelphia 76ers
2006 Joel Freeland, United Kingdom – Portland Trail Blazers
2005 David Lee, Florida – New York Knicks
2004 Anderson Varejao, Brazil – Orlando Magic
2003 Maciej Lampe, Poland – New York Knicks
2002 Steve Logan, University of Cincinnati – Golden State Warriors
2001 Gilbert Arenas, University of Arizona – Golden State Warriors
2000 Marko Jaric, Serbia – L.A. Clippers

[165bows]

History of the #30 pick in the new millennium.

Year Player School/Country – Team

2023 Kobe Brown
2022 Peyton Watson
2021 Santi Aldama
2020 Desmond Bane
2019 Kevin Porter Jr., USC – Milwaukee Bucks
2018 Omari Spellman, Villanova –
2017 Josh Hart, Villanova – Utah Jazz
2016 Damian Jones, Vanderbilt – Golden State Warriors
2015 Kevon Looney, UCLA – Golden State Warriors
2014 Kyle Anderson, UCLA – San Antonia Spurs
2013 Nemanja Nedovic, Serbia – Phoenix Suns
2012 Festus Ezeli, Vanderbilt – Golden State Warriors
2011 Jimmy Butler, Marquette University – Chicago Bulls
2010 Lazar Hayward, Marquette University – Washington Wizards

2000’s

2009 Christian Eyenga, Congo – Cleveland Cavaliers
2008 J.R Giddens, New Mexico – Boston Celtics
2007 Petteri Koponen, Finland – Philadelphia 76ers
2006 Joel Freeland, United Kingdom – Portland Trail Blazers
2005 David Lee, Florida – New York Knicks
2004 Anderson Varejao, Brazil – Orlando Magic
2003 Maciej Lampe, Poland – New York Knicks
2002 Steve Logan, University of Cincinnati – Golden State Warriors
2001 Gilbert Arenas, University of Arizona – Golden State Warriors
2000 Marko Jaric, Serbia – L.A. Clippers

Crazy how many good players there.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

History of the #30 pick in the new millennium.

Spoiler:

Year Player School/Country – Team

2023 Kobe Brown
2022 Peyton Watson
2021 Santi Aldama
2020 Desmond Bane
2019 Kevin Porter Jr., USC – Milwaukee Bucks
2018 Omari Spellman, Villanova –
2017 Josh Hart, Villanova – Utah Jazz
2016 Damian Jones, Vanderbilt – Golden State Warriors
2015 Kevon Looney, UCLA – Golden State Warriors
2014 Kyle Anderson, UCLA – San Antonia Spurs
2013 Nemanja Nedovic, Serbia – Phoenix Suns
2012 Festus Ezeli, Vanderbilt – Golden State Warriors
2011 Jimmy Butler, Marquette University – Chicago Bulls
2010 Lazar Hayward, Marquette University – Washington Wizards

2000’s

2009 Christian Eyenga, Congo – Cleveland Cavaliers
2008 J.R Giddens, New Mexico – Boston Celtics
2007 Petteri Koponen, Finland – Philadelphia 76ers
2006 Joel Freeland, United Kingdom – Portland Trail Blazers
2005 David Lee, Florida – New York Knicks
2004 Anderson Varejao, Brazil – Orlando Magic
2003 Maciej Lampe, Poland – New York Knicks
2002 Steve Logan, University of Cincinnati – Golden State Warriors
2001 Gilbert Arenas, University of Arizona – Golden State Warriors
2000 Marko Jaric, Serbia – L.A. Clippers

Crazy how many good players there.

Yeah definitely an outlier. No reason for the #30 to yield a better player than #29 and yet when you look at the history of the #29 pick it's not quite the same story.

Spoiler:

2023 Julian Strawther
2022 TyTy Washington
2021 Day'Ron Sharpe
2020 Malachi Flynn
2019 Keldon Johnson
2018 Dzanan Musa
2017 Derrick White
2016 Dejounte Murray
2015 Chris McCullough
2014 Josh Huestis
2013 Archie Goodwin
2012 Marquis Teague
2011 Cory Joseph
2010 Daniel Orton
2009 Toney Douglas
2008 D.J. White
2007 Alando Tucker
2006 Mardy Collins
2005 Wayne Simien
2004 David Harrison
2003 Josh Howard
2002 Steve Logan
2001 Trenton Hassell
2000 Mark Madsen

#28 is a barren wasteland outside of Tony Parker and to a lesser degree Jaden McDaniels.

Spoiler:

2023 Brice Sensabaugh
2022 Patrick Baldwin
2021 Jaden Springer
2020 Jaden McDaniels
2019 Jordan Poole
2018 Jacob Evans
2017 Tony Bradley
2016 Skal Labissiere
2015 R.J. Hunter
2014 C.J. Wilcox
2013 Livio Jean-Charles
2012 Perry Jones
2011 Norris Cole
2010 Greivis Vasquez
2009 Wayne Ellington
2008 Donte Greene
2007 Tiago Splitter
2006 Maurice Ager
2005 Ian Mahinmi
2004 Beno Udrih
2003 Leandro Barbosa
2002 Dan Dickau
2001 Tony Parker
2000 Erick Barkley

[165bows]

History of the #30 pick in the new millennium.

Spoiler:

Year Player School/Country – Team

2023 Kobe Brown
2022 Peyton Watson
2021 Santi Aldama
2020 Desmond Bane
2019 Kevin Porter Jr., USC – Milwaukee Bucks
2018 Omari Spellman, Villanova –
2017 Josh Hart, Villanova – Utah Jazz
2016 Damian Jones, Vanderbilt – Golden State Warriors
2015 Kevon Looney, UCLA – Golden State Warriors
2014 Kyle Anderson, UCLA – San Antonia Spurs
2013 Nemanja Nedovic, Serbia – Phoenix Suns
2012 Festus Ezeli, Vanderbilt – Golden State Warriors
2011 Jimmy Butler, Marquette University – Chicago Bulls
2010 Lazar Hayward, Marquette University – Washington Wizards

2000’s

2009 Christian Eyenga, Congo – Cleveland Cavaliers
2008 J.R Giddens, New Mexico – Boston Celtics
2007 Petteri Koponen, Finland – Philadelphia 76ers
2006 Joel Freeland, United Kingdom – Portland Trail Blazers
2005 David Lee, Florida – New York Knicks
2004 Anderson Varejao, Brazil – Orlando Magic
2003 Maciej Lampe, Poland – New York Knicks
2002 Steve Logan, University of Cincinnati – Golden State Warriors
2001 Gilbert Arenas, University of Arizona – Golden State Warriors
2000 Marko Jaric, Serbia – L.A. Clippers

Crazy how many good players there.

Yeah definitely an outlier. No reason for the #30 to yield a better player than #29 and yet when you look at the history of the #29 pick it's not quite the same story.

Spoiler:

2023 Julian Strawther
2022 TyTy Washington
2021 Day'Ron Sharpe
2020 Malachi Flynn
2019 Keldon Johnson
2018 Dzanan Musa
2017 Derrick White
2016 Dejounte Murray
2015 Chris McCullough
2014 Josh Huestis
2013 Archie Goodwin
2012 Marquis Teague
2011 Cory Joseph
2010 Daniel Orton
2009 Toney Douglas
2008 D.J. White
2007 Alando Tucker
2006 Mardy Collins
2005 Wayne Simien
2004 David Harrison
2003 Josh Howard
2002 Steve Logan
2001 Trenton Hassell
2000 Mark Madsen

#28 is a barren wasteland outside of Tony Parker and to a lesser degree Jaden McDaniels.

Spoiler:

2023 Brice Sensabaugh
2022 Patrick Baldwin
2021 Jaden Springer
2020 Jaden McDaniels
2019 Jordan Poole
2018 Jacob Evans
2017 Tony Bradley
2016 Skal Labissiere
2015 R.J. Hunter
2014 C.J. Wilcox
2013 Livio Jean-Charles
2012 Perry Jones
2011 Norris Cole
2010 Greivis Vasquez
2009 Wayne Ellington
2008 Donte Greene
2007 Tiago Splitter
2006 Maurice Ager
2005 Ian Mahinmi
2004 Beno Udrih
2003 Leandro Barbosa
2002 Dan Dickau
2001 Tony Parker
2000 Erick Barkley

That Springer disrespect!!?!

Lol on a less serious note wonder if Brad is into numerology stuff or no.

[brackdan70]

I dreamt of Big Al coaching Ulrich Chomche.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

This talk about good players around pick #30 brought to mind the unreal stretch of great picks with #27 overall in the mid 2010s. Just for fun I compared them with the #2 picks in the same drafts.
2nd pick in the draft vs 27th pick in the draft
2013 Victor Oladipo < Rudy Gobert
2014 Jabari Parker < Bogdan Bogdanovic
2015 D'Angelo Russell > Larry Nance Jr.
2016 Brandon Ingram < Pascal Siakam
2017 Lonzo Ball < Kyle Kuzma
2018 Marvin Bagley < Robert Williams
5-1 for team #27 pick. Without injuries one or two of those might be flipped but still the draft is weird.

[redslastlaugh]

That’s an amazing run of guys at 27!

Still sad about Robs health and what could have been, man…

This talk about good players around pick #30 brought to mind the unreal stretch of great picks with #27 overall in the mid 2010s. Just for fun I compared them with the #2 picks in the same drafts.
2nd pick in the draft vs 27th pick in the draft
2013 Victor Oladipo < Rudy Gobert
2014 Jabari Parker < Bogdan Bogdanovic
2015 D'Angelo Russell > Larry Nance Jr.
2016 Brandon Ingram < Pascal Siakam
2017 Lonzo Ball < Kyle Kuzma
2018 Marvin Bagley < Robert Williams
5-1 for team #27 pick. Without injuries one or two of those might be flipped but still the draft is weird.

[playa-hater]

That’s an amazing run of guys at 27!

Still sad about Robs health and what could have been, man…

This talk about good players around pick #30 brought to mind the unreal stretch of great picks with #27 overall in the mid 2010s. Just for fun I compared them with the #2 picks in the same drafts.
2nd pick in the draft vs 27th pick in the draft
2013 Victor Oladipo < Rudy Gobert
2014 Jabari Parker < Bogdan Bogdanovic
2015 D'Angelo Russell > Larry Nance Jr.
2016 Brandon Ingram < Pascal Siakam
2017 Lonzo Ball < Kyle Kuzma
2018 Marvin Bagley < Robert Williams
5-1 for team #27 pick. Without injuries one or two of those might be flipped but still the draft is weird.

So what you guys are saying is trade up three spots.. One or two second round picks should do it.

[playa-hater]

Xx

[Hal14]

So I don't want guys that profile as regular season minutes eater, I want someone that has a chance (obivously not super likely at that spot of the draft) to be a playoff rotation guy down the line.

These are the draft picks and UDFA signings by the Celtics since 2019.



There's 16 guys on here. There's 5 of them who have gotten rotation mins in the playoffs somewhere:

Hauser
Pritchard
Strus
Grant
Nesmith

-All 5 of them were high floor, low ceiling guys
-All 5 were 20.5 or older on draft night (all played 2+ seasons of college ball)
-All became really good shooters in the NBA (4 of them were really good shooters in college. Grant developed as a shooter a ton after getting drafted, due to work ethic and good coaching)
-The low floor, higher upside guys (Walsh, Davison, Begarin, Madar, Langford, etc.) have not worked out - at least not yet

[playa-hater]

While I am still checking out lots of Prospects for the first time I have found thus far this may be the first year I have yet to "lock on" a favorite hopeful. Last year it was GG Jackson. Man this year it seems like so many are pretty good choices.

Like to hear if anyone has a front runner yet. And that is for anyone who has a chance to be within our range.