Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XIX: Rise of the BIG

[tiderulz]

If the FO's plan is to win games this year, am I stupid for wanting Wall for nothing? It ain't my money.

absolutely not. after this year, you have Wall in his 30's making over $42mil/yr. that is 1/3 the cap for 1 player, he is not worth that.

[pepe1991]

I'm passing on any deal for Wall because the FA pgs this year are too good

Is it? Aside from Kemba and Kyrie(which we arent getting), what PG come out next year that are better then some we can trade for?

I can only think of DLo, Rubio, and maybe Dinwidie. Not really stars but decent better then DJ/Grant backcourt.

Russell
Dinwiddie
Rozier
Rubio
Brogdon
Wright
Teague
Dragic
Murray
Bledsoe

Lower end potential targets

Colilson
Joseph
Sato
Lin
Jones

Jamal Murray could be on the block and I'm not too convinced that we do not have a shot at Kemba. A lot dictates on how this season goes.

Also, we could be in perfect position to draft Ja Morant

But we know how FA go every year.
Half of them sign new contract with current team in first hour of FA, half of them are RFA and will be bit overpayed ,half of them want to play on contenders and most of them are average nba PGs.

Not to mention that lot of them are pushing 30 or in 30s.

[T-Cat]

I wonder if we have a chance at Kawhi Leonard next summer? He and Mo Bamba are going to working out in San Diego, maybe Bamba will do some recruiting!

If we surprisingly get him, what do we do with AG?

C-Bamba
PF-Isaac
SF-Leonard

[NavalAviator94]

I wonder if we have a chance at Kawhi Leonard next summer? He and Mo Bamba are going to working out in San Diego, maybe Bamba will do some recruiting!

If we surprisingly get him, what do we do with AG?

C-Bamba
PF-Isaac
SF-Leonard

Santa Claus is real in your world I see.


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[Magic_Johnny12]

I wonder if we have a chance at Kawhi Leonard next summer? He and Mo Bamba are going to working out in San Diego, maybe Bamba will do some recruiting!

If we surprisingly get him, what do we do with AG?

C-Bamba
PF-Isaac
SF-Leonard

Umm you do nothing and keep him? lol

Keep Isaac off the bench or trade for superstar PG (ala Dame once they get bounced out of the 1st round)

While we're dreaming we trade Fournier + pick for Beal

Dame Lillard
Bradley Beal
Kawhi Leonard
Aaron Gordon
Mo Bamba

[dsg2021]

I’m a full supporter of all dreams and ideas involving All Stars going to ORL

What’s everyone else thinking about this dilemma tho..
Wall for virtually nothing?
Or nothing’s worth taking on Wall’s contract?

I think if GM Otis was here and could have centered the deal around Mozgov, he’d pull the trigger 10 times out of 10. Would WeHam?

[dsg2021]

I wonder if we have a chance at Kawhi Leonard next summer? He and Mo Bamba are going to working out in San Diego, maybe Bamba will do some recruiting!

If we surprisingly get him, what do we do with AG?

C-Bamba
PF-Isaac
SF-Leonard

Umm you do nothing and keep him? lol

Keep Isaac off the bench or trade for superstar PG (ala Dame once they get bounced out of the 1st round)

While we're dreaming we trade Fournier + pick for Beal

Dame Lillard
Bradley Beal
Kawhi Leonard
Aaron Gordon
Mo Bamba

This is akin to what the Celtics did, trading virtually all of their best rebuilding pieces for a very different team.. It looks like it’s worth it in this idea too

[tiderulz]

I’m a full supporter of all dreams and ideas involving All Stars going to ORL

What’s everyone else thinking about this dilemma tho..
Wall for virtually nothing?
Or nothing’s worth taking on Wall’s contract?

I think if GM Otis was here and could have centered the deal around Mozgov, he’d pull the trigger 10 times out of 10. Would WeHam?

any GM that trades for Wall and that contract deserves to be fired. His deal is more than 1/3 the salary cap for a team. $42mil+ over 4 years after this one.

[Def Swami]

It's wild looking back on how the Bamba-Vucevic lineups were being played up to start the season. Unpredictably, they were awful and we haven't seen them in 2 weeks.

[OrlandO]

I’m a full supporter of all dreams and ideas involving All Stars going to ORL

What’s everyone else thinking about this dilemma tho..
Wall for virtually nothing?
Or nothing’s worth taking on Wall’s contract?

I think if GM Otis was here and could have centered the deal around Mozgov, he’d pull the trigger 10 times out of 10. Would WeHam?

any GM that trades for Wall and that contract deserves to be fired. His deal is more than 1/3 the salary cap for a team. $42mil+ over 4 years after this one.

Wall on that ridiculous contract could very well be more valuable to a team like the magic than all that cap space over the next few years. With one player they solve their lack of starting PG, clearcut go-to scorer, and playmaker problems... he'd lead the team in points, free throws, assists, steals and would probably be third in blocks. Such an acquisition would be pretty huge for getting the most out of BIG while they continue to develop.

I would not give up anything significant for him, but if he's basically free I think it should be considered. It would be like signing a star we'd have to overpay anyway plus a $8-12 million DNP deadweight contract. It's not perfect, but it's workable considering Wall is a multi-faceted proven talent, known quantity, and as previously mentioned he fills in a lot of major holes for the team. The team would just have to get creative with the bench.

[tiderulz]

I’m a full supporter of all dreams and ideas involving All Stars going to ORL

What’s everyone else thinking about this dilemma tho..
Wall for virtually nothing?
Or nothing’s worth taking on Wall’s contract?

I think if GM Otis was here and could have centered the deal around Mozgov, he’d pull the trigger 10 times out of 10. Would WeHam?

any GM that trades for Wall and that contract deserves to be fired. His deal is more than 1/3 the salary cap for a team. $42mil+ over 4 years after this one.

Wall on that ridiculous contract could very well be more valuable to a team like the magic than all that cap space over the next few years. With one player they solve their lack of starting PG, clearcut go-to scorer, and playmaker problems... he'd lead the team in points, free throws, assists, steals and would probably be third in blocks. Such an acquisition would be pretty huge for getting the most out of BIG while they continue to develop.

I would not give up anything significant for him, but if he's basically free I think it should be considered. It would be like signing a star we'd have to overpay anyway plus a $8-12 million DNP deadweight contract. It's not perfect, but it's workable considering Wall is a multi-faceted proven talent, known quantity, and as previously mentioned he fills in a lot of major holes for the team. The team would just have to get creative with the bench.

then you are locked into Wall and Gordon, Isaac and Bamba. you wont be able to sign another free agent except for an MLE for the next 4 years. for a player that has been rumored to be a locker room issue and not always healthy, it is a horrible idea in my opinion. again, 1 player taking more than 1/3 the salary cap. this isnt Lebron, Durant, Curry. arguable he is in the top-20 for players

[VFX]

any GM that trades for Wall and that contract deserves to be fired. His deal is more than 1/3 the salary cap for a team. $42mil+ over 4 years after this one.

Wall on that ridiculous contract could very well be more valuable to a team like the magic than all that cap space over the next few years. With one player they solve their lack of starting PG, clearcut go-to scorer, and playmaker problems... he'd lead the team in points, free throws, assists, steals and would probably be third in blocks. Such an acquisition would be pretty huge for getting the most out of BIG while they continue to develop.

I would not give up anything significant for him, but if he's basically free I think it should be considered. It would be like signing a star we'd have to overpay anyway plus a $8-12 million DNP deadweight contract. It's not perfect, but it's workable considering Wall is a multi-faceted proven talent, known quantity, and as previously mentioned he fills in a lot of major holes for the team. The team would just have to get creative with the bench.

then you are locked into Wall and Gordon, Isaac and Bamba. you wont be able to sign another free agent except for an MLE for the next 4 years. for a player that has been rumored to be a locker room issue and not always healthy, it is a horrible idea in my opinion. again, 1 player taking more than 1/3 the salary cap.

Teams should only take on Wall and his absurd contract if it makes them a true contender. For a rebuilding team? Hell no.

[OrlandO]

any GM that trades for Wall and that contract deserves to be fired. His deal is more than 1/3 the salary cap for a team. $42mil+ over 4 years after this one.

Wall on that ridiculous contract could very well be more valuable to a team like the magic than all that cap space over the next few years. With one player they solve their lack of starting PG, clearcut go-to scorer, and playmaker problems... he'd lead the team in points, free throws, assists, steals and would probably be third in blocks. Such an acquisition would be pretty huge for getting the most out of BIG while they continue to develop.

I would not give up anything significant for him, but if he's basically free I think it should be considered. It would be like signing a star we'd have to overpay anyway plus a $8-12 million DNP deadweight contract. It's not perfect, but it's workable considering Wall is a multi-faceted proven talent, known quantity, and as previously mentioned he fills in a lot of major holes for the team. The team would just have to get creative with the bench.

then you are locked into Wall and Gordon, Isaac and Bamba. you wont be able to sign another free agent except for an MLE for the next 4 years. for a player that has been rumored to be a locker room issue and not always healthy, it is a horrible idea in my opinion. again, 1 player taking more than 1/3 the salary cap. this isnt Lebron, Durant, Curry. arguable he is in the top-20 for players

Don't act like the alternative is automatically better.

[tiderulz]

Wall on that ridiculous contract could very well be more valuable to a team like the magic than all that cap space over the next few years. With one player they solve their lack of starting PG, clearcut go-to scorer, and playmaker problems... he'd lead the team in points, free throws, assists, steals and would probably be third in blocks. Such an acquisition would be pretty huge for getting the most out of BIG while they continue to develop.

I would not give up anything significant for him, but if he's basically free I think it should be considered. It would be like signing a star we'd have to overpay anyway plus a $8-12 million DNP deadweight contract. It's not perfect, but it's workable considering Wall is a multi-faceted proven talent, known quantity, and as previously mentioned he fills in a lot of major holes for the team. The team would just have to get creative with the bench.

then you are locked into Wall and Gordon, Isaac and Bamba. you wont be able to sign another free agent except for an MLE for the next 4 years. for a player that has been rumored to be a locker room issue and not always healthy, it is a horrible idea in my opinion. again, 1 player taking more than 1/3 the salary cap. this isnt Lebron, Durant, Curry. arguable he is not in the top-20 for players

Don't act like the alternative is automatically better.

you could get 2 $20mil players for the cost of Wall. i just couldnt pay all that money to Wall.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Wall, imo, is declining as well.
Maybe I'm,mistaken bit i dont see the same explosivness.
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[BadMofoPimp]

then you are locked into Wall and Gordon, Isaac and Bamba. you wont be able to sign another free agent except for an MLE for the next 4 years. for a player that has been rumored to be a locker room issue and not always healthy, it is a horrible idea in my opinion. again, 1 player taking more than 1/3 the salary cap. this isnt Lebron, Durant, Curry. arguable he is not in the top-20 for players

Don't act like the alternative is automatically better.

you could get 2 $20mil players for the cost of Wall. i just couldnt pay all that money to Wall.

So, you are saying Fournier and Mozgov for Wall?

[tiderulz]

Don't act like the alternative is automatically better.

you could get 2 $20mil players for the cost of Wall. i just couldnt pay all that money to Wall.

So, you are saying Fournier and Mozgov for Wall?

Maybe im saying Beal and Dinwiddie?

[RickB-Orlando]

then you are locked into Wall and Gordon, Isaac and Bamba. you wont be able to sign another free agent except for an MLE for the next 4 years. for a player that has been rumored to be a locker room issue and not always healthy, it is a horrible idea in my opinion. again, 1 player taking more than 1/3 the salary cap. this isnt Lebron, Durant, Curry. arguable he is not in the top-20 for players

Don't act like the alternative is automatically better.

you could get 2 $20mil players for the cost of Wall. i just couldnt pay all that money to Wall.

If he's healthy (admittedly a big if) what two $20M players are you planning to sign that will have more impact?

A few years ago Wall was the prototypical point guard of the future, now he's the cause of Washington's problems?

Orlando needs a name player and alpha scorer, a leader on the court. We constantly talk about lying in wait for a star that comes available for trade, yet when it has happened in the pas couple of years (Irving and Butler coe to mind) all the arguments suddenly circle around *not* trading for that star. If they're available, they're likely to have some warts - the question is, does their star power and talent overcome those warts?

I'd much rather see a deal for Beal, but Wall is being dismissed awfully quickly by people.

[MagicFan101]

If the FO's plan is to win games this year, am I stupid for wanting Wall for nothing? It ain't my money.

absolutely not. after this year, you have Wall in his 30's making over $42mil/yr. that is 1/3 the cap for 1 player, he is not worth that.

First, I agree that Wall isn't worth that money. He isn't the guy to pay that much for.

But this opens the door for a point I keep trying to make that no one here seems to be able to argue against.

For the next 4 years we are built around Gordon on a friendly decreasing contract and Isaac / Bamba on rookie deals. We have the luxury of being able to overspend on one player and still fill out our roster during this window. Once Isaac and Bamba need new deals that no longer holds but do we want to go all in on a massively overpaid star to help to early development of Isaac and Bamba?

This is the same situation as say the Rams in the NFL being able to hand out ridiculous contracts to defensive players like candy due to their QB being a low price rookie contract.

Again, I'm not a believer that Wall is the guy to help Isaac and Bamba but for the right guy, I really don't care how bad the contract is. And you shouldn't either...

[tiderulz]

Don't act like the alternative is automatically better.

you could get 2 $20mil players for the cost of Wall. i just couldnt pay all that money to Wall.

If he's healthy (admittedly a big if) what two $20M players are you planning to sign that will have more impact?

A few years ago Wall was the prototypical point guard of the future, now he's the cause of Washington's problems?

Orlando needs a name player and alpha scorer, a leader on the court. We constantly talk about lying in wait for a star that comes available for trade, yet when it has happened in the pas couple of years (Irving and Butler coe to mind) all the arguments suddenly circle around *not* trading for that star. If they're available, they're likely to have some warts - the question is, does their star power and talent overcome those warts?

I'd much rather see a deal for Beal, but Wall is being dismissed awfully quickly by people.

1/3 the cap. Wall is not that type of player. Wall has not had much post season success, had issues in his own locker room, issues staying healthy and staying in shape.
players making more than Wall next year - Paul, Westbrook, Curry, Harden.

I just couldnt do it. After this year, that contract will be such an anchor. not like he was burning up the airwaves recruiting stars to come play with him in Washington.