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[lilfishi22]

I'm just saying we would have had max cap space because we had the Ariza one year deal and were almost certain to waive/stretch Anderson. Ariza would have opened up $15 million and Anderson another $16 or so in addition to the $10 we have. So we would be at around $40 million.

But we traded them for Johnson who had a year and we likely don't stretch and Oubre, so it wiped out what we thought would be our max cap space this year.

Now we might recreate it by dumping players but who knows?

We are so far behind those other teams because in our 5 year rebuild or whatever we only got like 3 pieces, two of which were rookies last year and will be 2nd year players. These guys are probably quite a ways away from competing from playoffs in the west even if we add a guy like DLo.

This is precisely why the draft is not the way to improve this team, we do not need anymore youth we need more top notch players to add to what we have, hence the desire to get Dlo if he becomes available. If we keep blowing off possibilities because they don't fit our timeline or other nonsense like that is ridiculous, if we don't improve the team now we don't have a timeline

It hasn't just been draft failures. They also traded for and extended Knight. Then gave decent size contracts to Chandler, Dudley, and Ariza. Then pissed off most of the players on the team for various reasons.

Lots of ways to get and stay bad and the suns have been guilty of all of them.

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So are we officially calling the McD years the Mediocre Era or the Dark Era?

[Blonde]

To clarify my earlier post on the previous page I don't think it's an absolute must that we get a PG to fill the "PG position" if that makes sense. We need a another primary initiator besides Booker, in whatever form they come. I'm fine with letting Booker keep a lot of on ball responsibility because he was actually really, really good at it and a ton of his value is derived from playing on ball. That's why I don't care at all about the Jrue/Beal/whoever/ isn't a point guard arguments.

[lilfishi22]

When you’re involved in trade discussions there are other teams involved. The leaks could come from other teams. The fact that there’s little to no information about suns players on the block probably means James Jones isn’t trying to trade them. I think tj will probably be moved on draft day. Tyler will opt out. I think JJ Gets another chance. I think we sign veteran scrubs like Collison or Aminu and keep the 6th pick and lose 55 games next year.

Little to no information about Suns players being on the block?? Really? What do you call the two biggest NBA news breakers saying that Warren and Jackson are on the block and being heavily shopped?

Too much smoke for there not to be even some smoldering tinder

[darealjuice]

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This is precisely why the draft is not the way to improve this team, we do not need anymore youth we need more top notch players to add to what we have, hence the desire to get Dlo if he becomes available. If we keep blowing off possibilities because they don't fit our timeline or other nonsense like that is ridiculous, if we don't improve the team now we don't have a timeline

It hasn't just been draft failures. They also traded for and extended Knight. Then gave decent size contracts to Chandler, Dudley, and Ariza. Then pissed off most of the players on the team for various reasons.

Lots of ways to get and stay bad and the suns have been guilty of all of them.

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So are we officially calling the McD years the Mediocre Era or the Dark Era?

Always makes me laugh that his best year was him accidentally putting together a solid team by blowing up a **** roster and trying to rebuild. Once he had to build on that success, he floundered. Then he got the opportunity to rebuild from his pile of ashes, and he somehow put together a 19 win team after getting the #1 pick.

[lilfishi22]

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Seems like a yearly thing. Almost like raising the debt ceiling

[bwgood77]

It hasn't just been draft failures. They also traded for and extended Knight. Then gave decent size contracts to Chandler, Dudley, and Ariza. Then pissed off most of the players on the team for various reasons.

Lots of ways to get and stay bad and the suns have been guilty of all of them.

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So are we officially calling the McD years the Mediocre Era or the Dark Era?

Always makes me laugh that his best year was him accidentally putting together a solid team by blowing up a **** roster and trying to rebuild. Once he had to build on that success, he floundered. Then he got the opportunity to rebuild from his pile of ashes, and he somehow put together a 19 win team after getting the #1 pick.

Yeah, he got the wrong result often.

[lilfishi22]

why would they want to get rid of adams.... i wish the suns had a bully like him....

He makes 25 mil next year and 27 the after and they have a gigantic lux tax bill.

He's a nice player but you can find a similar player for about $10 mil.

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I think over the last few years the lesson to learn is basically to not spend money on non-absolutely elite bigs.

[lilfishi22]

Just say no to thunder players not named Paul George or Russell Westbrook

I'd extend that to Westbrook too. Doesn't fit the timeline and is a far too heavy usage, too inefficient and too much of a prima donna to have on this team of young players looking for TRUE leadership. Oh not to mention far too expensive

[lilfishi22]

lol okay.

I guess I heard "made very available in trade talks" and took that to mean something similar to "heavily shopped"

So did i.....because it means the same thing. But that was exactly the video i was referencing. Guess i should have just refreshed the page instead of searching through my old posts to try to find it. +10 points to you for re-posting it for me.

"Made very available in trade talks" + "Has talked to multiple teams" = Heavily shopped.

Dont you agree alamin330? Sounds a hell of a lot closer than your assertion that "There’s little to no information about suns players on the block" and claiming that to be "THE FACT".

Yea I don’t know about that. Made very available isn’t the same as heavily shopped not to me at least. It just sounds like they’re the only ones the suns are making available in trades but it doesn’t mean they are shopping them heavily

Semantics but the overarching theme here is that they are available (I think we can agree) and that teams know they are available. The only way they know they are available is if they've talked to the Suns directly. Now are they heavily shopped, as in Jones proactively calling all 29 teams to offer JJ and/or TJ? Maybe not but I think the logical conclusion is that they are probably looking at ways to create space, they are the prime candidates and we've certainly had multiple conversations with other teams about trade scenarios.

If you put 2 and 2 together, I think it's clear (at least to me) that they are likely being shopped.

[bigfoot]

Pat Bev - probably going to Lakers or stays with Clippers
Collison - doesn't want to play for a rebuilding team
Joesph - a Rich Paul client
Rubio - Our last gasp for a veteran PG

[lilfishi22]

Posted this in the Jackson thread but it's realevant here because his constant stupidity is not going to help his trade value.

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I know it's her words right now and we don't know the whole story but man.......c'mon Josh

[kennydorglas]

OMG Josh

[nevetsov]

Non suns related, but going off the rumour that CHI is dangling Lavine to move up (which makes no sense to me):

Knicks trade #3 and filler for Jrue

NOP trades Jrue and #4 for Lavine and #3
Drafts Barrett at #3

Bulls trade Lavine for #4 and filler.
Drafts Garland at #4.

Knicks sign KD, and with Jrue already in place, position themselves to steal AD from the Lakers next off season as they have 2 stars already in play. Rich Paul is fine with it because it's a comparable market to LA. Lakers sell and move to China.

Pels get a good young SG and draft Zion's mate as insurance to keep them from wanting to bolt like AD did. Could probably flip Ingram to Indy for Sabonis as both have comparable production at positions of need. Young core is established as Ball, Lavine, Barrett, Zion, Sabonis.

Bulls get their guy at #4.

[dremill24]

I’d be into keeping an eye on Jae Crowder...could be a trade candidate for not a crazy price now he’s going to MEM.

He’s nothing special but a competent defender at multiple positions and a decent enough shooter.

Oh, and in before the “not another wing” stuff

[Wilber85]

Sign Rubio
Trade # 6 and Jackson to minny for #11 and Saric (draft clarke) I’ll be fine there for all you
Sign Crowder (is he available or what?) saw someone mention that

Rubio, Melton
Booker , Crowder
Oubre , Bridges
Saric , Clarke
Ayton, Holmes or Dedmon

[Crives]

Sign Rubio
Trade # 6 and Jackson to minny for #11 and Saric (draft clarke) I’ll be fine there for all you
Sign Crowder (is he available or what?) saw someone mention that

Rubio, Melton
Booker , Crowder
Oubre , Bridges
Saric , Clarke
Ayton, Holmes or Dedmon

I just don’t think Clarke drops to 11.

[Crives]

Posted this in the Jackson thread but it's realevant here because his constant stupidity is not going to help his trade value.

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I know it's her words right now and we don't know the whole story but man.......c'mon Josh

At this point we just decline his option and stretch.

[JDLAW]

Posted this in the Jackson thread but it's realevant here because his constant stupidity is not going to help his trade value.

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I know it's her words right now and we don't know the whole story but man.......c'mon Josh

Don't get too judgmental of Jackson based on this. This appears to be allegations from a young woman who has had to fight to establish paternity and is still fighting. I did some domestic relations work in the past and people fighting over child custody and child support will often make unsubstantiated allegations in their petitions to try to force child support settlements that are outside of the guidelines. One of the cases I did had unsubstantiated allegations of sexual deviation - where the couple was doing some role playing and one tried to make a lot more of it than it was. This is frequently the case when there is no marriage to dissolve as there is in this case. I looked at the history of the attorney that represents the woman and he has had his issues 2 admonitions and 2 probations. You can draw your own conclusions, but I would find it hard to believe that he intentionally exposed a 4 month old baby to marijuana smoke. No question this is nasty and it may have affected his on court play at times last season. It looks like a lot of hardball litigation tactics going on. Both get to tell their stories before a judge (these cases are not tried before a jury). I see a lot of things that are just as wild in non-DR cases where one side wants to stir the outrage. It seldom works and lawyers can get sanctions for such tactics.

You might not like Jackson, but to condemn him based on this stuff is wrong and unfair.

[lilfishi22]

I'd prefer to try and move him. Even if it cost us a 2nd or something. I don't want the $3m of JJ's contract become a stain in our books for the next 3 seasons

[Wilber85]

Sign Rubio
Trade # 6 and Jackson to minny for #11 and Saric (draft clarke) I’ll be fine there for all you
Sign Crowder (is he available or what?) saw someone mention that

Rubio, Melton
Booker , Crowder
Oubre , Bridges
Saric , Clarke
Ayton, Holmes or Dedmon

I just don’t think Clarke drops to 11.

Lol