The Official Rebuildation Thread

[mikhailjordan]

I would be open to trading for Melo but it'll take more than the #3 + Filler to get him.

[Jersey Generals]

Question, if it were available, do you do a draft night trade of the 3rd overall and salary filler(IE, no Terrence Williams, Courtney Lee or future picks) for Carmelo Anthony?

Of course.

I mean you're pretty much conceding on Lebron in this scenario, but you would have Melo and more then max cap space...

Not necessarily...there's an opening at PF that Lebron could fill.

[vincecarter4pres]

Alright, I'm not even going to go through the why and why not's for this one, but I'm going to throw out a semi-realistic dream scenario that I have touched on briefly in this thread...

Trade #1

NJ sends:
3rd overall
Terrence Williams
Yi Jianlian
Kris Humphries
2011 1st top 3 protected

New Orleans sends:
Chris Paul
James Posey


Trade #2

NJ sends:
Devin Harris
Courtney Lee

Memphis sends:
O.J. Mayo
Hamed Haddaddi
25th overall pick

Leaves NJ with a ton of cap room and some assets to make follow up moves/signings....

[enetric]

You mean do both at the same time...not do either one right?

I cant see either of those trades getting done...but yeah...of course we would do that.

[vincecarter4pres]

Well, supposedly we recently offered the 3rd overall and Devin for Chris Paul and were turned down...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... _paul.html

[enigmatics]

Well, supposedly we recently offered the 3rd overall and Devin for Chris Paul and were turned down...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... _paul.html

That's because NO doesn't need Devin. They have Collison ready to take the PG spot over if Paul were traded.

[vincecarter4pres]

Well, supposedly we recently offered the 3rd overall and Devin for Chris Paul and were turned down...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... _paul.html

That's because NO doesn't need Devin. They have Collison ready to take the PG spot over if Paul were traded.

Hence the reason I thought my trade with Terrence Williams and our 2011 pick in place of Devin made more sense, that or sending Devin to a third team like Indy for the 10th overall pick and an expiring and having that go to NOH in place of Devin.

[Jersey Generals]

With that idea, the Pacers getting Harris, the Hornets would wind up with: 3, 10, plus whatever. I really don't think that does it.

[vincecarter4pres]

With that idea, the Pacers getting Harris, the Hornets would wind up with: 3, 10, plus whatever. I really don't think that does it.

I understand that he's Chris Paul and all, but trades just don't typically bring back the value said player is viewed to be worth on paper.
Plus he is coming off a rather serious knee injury.

That said, I still think he stays in New Orleans, it's not even like he's on the block.

[enetric]

I think you are right. You wont get fair value...but trade is unlikely.

I think #3 and Devin is a good offer.... be it they keep Devin or a 3 way deal is create. Now...if they can unload another contract in the 3 way deal...then you might be cooking with gasoline. We have no interest in helping them out cap space wise.

You know, if we made the Paul deal...I would be gung ho to see Devin, Yi and Humphries out the door so we could be players for Lebron plus a big still.

The one guy i would love to hold onto is Twil (that is with Brook of course). Yi, Lee, the pick, Devin fine...whatever else. is there a team out there with cap rom that would send a good pick to the Hornets, for Okafor and Yi for example?

I mean..its all so unlikely...but man...fun to play with ideas when you have a lot of trade assets. And thats the thing. That is why you laugh off AK and Tay Prince conversations where you get weaker picks and send out true trade assets.

Eventually someone will be glad to send us a quality player for prospects. Those trade happen all the time. We have made them in both directions over the last decade.

Wow. CP3. Of today's best of the best...after Lebron he is my favorite player.

[deviljets7]

I think you are right. You wont get fair value...but trade is unlikely.

I think #3 and Devin is a good offer.... be it they keep Devin or a 3 way deal is create. Now...if they can unload another contract in the 3 way deal...then you might be cooking with gasoline. We have no interest in helping them out cap space wise.

You know, if we made the Paul deal...I would be gung ho to see Devin, Yi and Humphries out the door so we could be players for Lebron plus a big still.

The one guy i would love to hold onto is Twil (that is with Brook of course). Yi, Lee, the pick, Devin fine...whatever else. is there a team out there with cap rom that would send a good pick to the Hornets, for Okafor and Yi for example?

I mean..its all so unlikely...but man...fun to play with ideas when you have a lot of trade assets. And thats the thing. That is why you laugh off AK and Tay Prince conversations where you get weaker picks and send out true trade assets.

Eventually someone will be glad to send us a quality player for prospects. Those trade happen all the time. We have made them in both directions over the last decade.

Wow. CP3. Of today's best of the best...after Lebron he is my favorite player.

As much as I'd love to hold on to TWill and/or avoid taking a bad contract, realistically any deal that allows NJ to keep Lopez and max cap space is one you almost have to make regardless of the price.

[enetric]

Hornets' Paul making slow recovery from injuries

DAVIDSON, N.C. (AP) -Coming off what he calls "the longest stretch of my career,'' New Orleans guard Chris Paul is making slow progress in his rehabilitation from numerous injuries and is eager to play for new Hornets coach Monty Williams.

His summer plans, including playing for the United States in the world championships, remain far from certain.

Chatting briefly from a cart before playing in a celebrity golf tournament in his home state on Monday, Paul glanced a couple times at his surgically repaired left knee and said he's still been unable to get on the floor because of injuries that kept him out of 37 games last season.

That would leave him little time for the three-time All-Star to get ready to play for the U.S. in Turkey on Aug. 28-Sept. 12.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/wires/06/21/2030.ap.bkn.hornets.paul.0243/#ixzz0rYZ6whFn

[vincecarter4pres]

I mean that does have to scare you a little, no?
That knee could really put a damper on his overall abilities and worse yet, it will likely have long term implications.

I still pull the trigger on him fast if the price is right and our medical team said he would be fine, but it does make me nervous. I hope he fully recovers though, I'm a big fan and he seems like a pretty stand up dude as far as pro athletes go.

[enetric]

I posted it because yes it is scary. My feeling? Any deal you make is always contigient on physicals anyway. So you run him through all the docs you can and decide what you are looking at.

[S.I.C. GM]

Lets say by some unbelievable stroke of luck or PHI's stupidity, PHI passes on Turner and the Nets draft Turner.

I would be still willing to send harris to IND for the #10 pick and Ford/Murphy.

Turner, Lee, Twill, Paterson(#10), Lopez

[enetric]

Lets say by some unbelievable stroke of luck or PHI's stupidity, PHI passes on Turner and the Nets draft Turner.

I would be still willing to send harris to IND for the #10 pick and Ford/Murphy.

Turner, Lee, Twill, Paterson(#10), Lopez

I think that trade is awful. AWFUL. You just wasted our cap space on lesser players than what we can go shopping for and got us a pick out of the big 6.

[enetric]

Well, supposedly we recently offered the 3rd overall and Devin for Chris Paul and were turned down...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... _paul.html

That's because NO doesn't need Devin. They have Collison ready to take the PG spot over if Paul were traded.

Just a thought here...with the two bigest trade rumors of the last day and their team needs.

Paul the thinking is...only available if they can unload salary and get prospects. We can give thewm prospects but do not want to give away additional cap space to take on a contract.

Minny the thinking is...has someone in mind that they want most out of this draft. They have a lot of duplicates at positions, uncertainty as to what they should be doing, and they laso have cap space...yet they are unlikely to land anyone major to their market.

So what if they accept Rubio is screwing them and they accept a way out of that move. Save face and improve the team...get something proven?


Could there be a 3 way deal here? Where somehow they get Devin Harris Rubio ends up witht he Hornets...picks gets moved around enough to make everyone happy...Nets get Paul...Minny possibly take someone else from the Hornets that the Hornets want to move.

Something ike that? Wouldnt shock me if a 3 way deal like that is being discussed.

[Netaman]

E - that makes more sense then anything I have ever seen on these boards.

played around with the ESPN trade machine - heres what I came up with. (to keep things easier to read the guys in parenthesis are just salary fillers)

Minnesota Gets:

Devin Harris, Yi, 3rd Overall pick, 11th overall pick, (Mo Pete)
FOR
Kevin Love, Rights to Rubio, 4th Overall pick
(Ramon Sessions, Ryan Gomes, Wayne Ellington, Corey Brewer)

Total Salary in 17.4 mil - Total Salary out 14.7 Mil - Minny gets a starting PG, Yi, Wes Johnson, and an extra lottery pick for Rubio and Love. Pretty fair IMO but might need a little bit more.

New Orleans Gets:

Kevin Love, 4th overall pick, Rights to Rubio, TWill
(Gomes, Sessions, Ellington)
FOR
Mo Pete, Chris Paul, 11th overall pick

Total Salary in 14 mil - Total Salary out 19.3 mil - Save some money, get 4 very legitimate young prospects. Love, Rubio, TWill, + 4th pick = instant rebuild while saving $5 mil.

NJ Gets:

Chris Paul, Corey Brewer
FOR
Devin Harris, Yi, TWill, 3rd overall pick

Total Salary in 16.4 mil - Total Salary out 13.5 mil - Acquire Paul for the bare minimum added salary. Maintain flexibility to get Paul/Lopez/max player. Would hurt to lose TWill here but Paul is too good to pass up and Brewer would be a good 6th man as a role player.


Obviously there is a lot to digest here. As a Net fan I do this in a heartbeat because Chris Paul is a top 10 player in the league when healthy. He and Lopez alone are 40 wins. With the cap space and 2 late firsts we could easily add a 3rd star and fill in the bench. I think the value is right for both Minny and NO but I can't really tell you if they accept because I don't know about their priorities right now.

[enetric]

Since Minny and the Nets are under the cap...NO doesnt have to salary match. They can take back a lot less. Do a dump and NOT take back Sessions, etc. Just get pieces they want.

Not sure Minny would add Love in there as well.

Fun to play with though.

[Rockice_8]

I've been throwing out senarios for what feels like months now and I think I have settled on one. No we aren't landing CP3, LBJ is a long shot too, so I came up with a strategy to get a solid starting 5 and a solid bench.

Nets draft #3 (Favors)
Nets sign D.Lee to 5 years 60 mil (12 per)
Nets already traded CDR and then they buyout Dooling
Nets draft #27 (Dominique Jones)
Nets then offer Rudy Gay 5 years 70 mil (14 per) yes that is over paying a little but he's resricted so we have to. I know Mem is saying they would match but 14 per is alot. Especially if Gay says he wants to play here. Maybe we work out a S&T so they get something (#31 and the future 2nd (CDR trade)).

This leaves us with

Harris/Jones
C.Lee/T-Will/Jones
Gay/T-Will
D.Lee/Favors/Yi
Lopez/Favors/Yi

We run a 9 man rotation because we will be versatile enough and have a strong bench and depth.
We would still have Hump and could resign Dooling (vet min) or a few other vets for injury purposes. I would be happy with that team and I think with some chemistry and good coaching this could be a contending team. Yeah we are lacking the star power but we make up for it in balance and depth. This is my plan and I'm sticking to it.





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