2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT)

[stuporman]

eh, if we took hayes at 8 would we really need to draft a 2nd PG at 27

Hayes could play as SG. I would not miss an opportunity to draft Kira at 27.

I could see that if we thought he was the BPA

my bigger concern would be stunting the growth of Hayes by playing him out of position, something this organization loves to do. If we're drafting a PG play them at PG. Enough of this

Although, a late 1st rounder or 2nd rounder probably wouldn't be starter quality right out of the gate but there's a higher probability that the guy taken at 8 would be capable of starting. This doesn't mean a year or two down the road that could change or in certain rotations this season that line up wouldn't be tried for a stretch.

The last thing we would want is to depend on the 6-5 guy being able to be the full time PG and find out they aren't quite ready to defend other team's 1s yet. Yea, I guess DSJ is still on the roster but he hasn't shown a great ability to play off ball with any efficiency so to have other options doesn't hurt.

Of course Frank can defend 1s and let Hayes/Hali defend 2s is another thing to consider. I still see no reason why taking a good typical sized PG in a draft that has talent deep into it of the type of two way players which are harder to find anyway in most years.

[F N 11]

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[knickstape4ever]

not rading a 2021 pick to move up. Dallas is one luka injury from being a high lottery team. No way in hell to you give that up for not a sure thing.

this is something people forget when they are talking about the KP trade. maybe we get a really high pick out of this after all.

Luka getting missing significant time due to injury is a big risk, and it's still more likely that pick falls in the 18-25 range

and you can also put protections on the picks, to hedge against that possibility. When Dallas traded their 2019 1st to Atlanta to move up to take Doncic, it was top-5 protected.

if you believe in a prospect can become a star then you have to consider it IMO.

What happens if Ball goes on to become a star, and the Mavs picks ends up being idk #23? would've passed on a star player just to hoard a pick that was most likely a late 1st from the get-go.

Also i dont think the Mavs would be a high lottery team if Donic got hurt. if so, then you're kinda banking on him getting hurt in the beginning of season. + Mavs were 6-8 w/o Doncic last year, so not terrible

[HerSports85]

Reading the tea leaves I wouldn’t be surprised if this is our starting lineup next season

Cp3
Maxey
RJ
Melo
Mitch

[knickstape4ever]

I was watching KnicksFanTV and one of their guests (from Babcockhoops.com) posed something interesting:

If Kira Lewis went to Kentucky, would he be getting more top 10 hype

I agree w/ this. thoughts?

[stuporman]

Reading the tea leaves I wouldn’t be surprised if this is our starting lineup next season

Cp3
Maxey
RJ
Melo
Mitch

That has to be mushroom tea cuz you trippin

[knickstape4ever]

This is why you keep Mitch until such time and why you're very careful about negotiating with draft picks.

Anyone heard of 16yr old VICTOR WEMBANYAMA.7'3", 8ft wingspan

Kid looks better than Wiseman already

“There's a kid named Victor Wembanyama, who's maybe the best prospect in the world. He's 7'3 with almost an 8 FT wingspan. He blocks shots like Gobert and he shoots like Porzingis. He can handle & pass. I've never seen anything like him.”

- Mike Schmitz

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Kid needs to discover food

listed at 240....sure.....

looking at that kid, he may need to double his weight. looks really talented but I'm always hesitant w/ players above 7'2. the injury history for players that tall is pretty bad

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[robillionaire]

I was watching KnicksFanTV and one of their guests (from Babcockhoops.com) posed something interesting:

If Kira Lewis went to Kentucky, would he be getting more top 10 hype

I agree w/ this. thoughts?

if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry christmas

good news is kenny payne got a few good looks at him coaching at kentucky as well as other players like okoro, maxey, edwards, woodard, etc so hopefully that helps our decision

I mean edwards and okoro played for other SEC teams and are going in the top 10

sexton was the alabama PG before him and went 8th in a better draft

he's not being discriminated against for not playing at kentucky foh

[Juco24]

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Interesting what he says about Vassell

[HerSports85]

Reading the tea leaves I wouldn’t be surprised if this is our starting lineup next season

Cp3
Maxey
RJ
Melo
Mitch

That has to be mushroom tea cuz you trippin

I didn’t say this what I wanted lol but I just read that if we get cp3, melo is interested in returning and knowing his relationship with Leon, he’ll make it happen. Then maxey is rumored to be on our short list.

[robillionaire]

Reading the tea leaves I wouldn’t be surprised if this is our starting lineup next season

Cp3
Maxey
RJ
Melo
Mitch

That has to be mushroom tea cuz you trippin

I didn’t say this what I wanted lol but I just read that if we get cp3, melo is interested in returning and knowing his relationship with Leon, he’ll make it happen. Then maxey is rumored to be on our short list.

I could actually see that happening although I would hate it. other than maxey and hope that's in a trade down

[3toheadmelo]

This is why you keep Mitch until such time and why you're very careful about negotiating with draft picks.

Anyone heard of 16yr old VICTOR WEMBANYAMA.7'3", 8ft wingspan

Kid looks better than Wiseman already

“There's a kid named Victor Wembanyama, who's maybe the best prospect in the world. He's 7'3 with almost an 8 FT wingspan. He blocks shots like Gobert and he shoots like Porzingis. He can handle & pass. I've never seen anything like him.”

- Mike Schmitz

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Kid needs to discover food

listed at 240....sure.....

looking at that kid, he may need to double his weight. looks really talented but I'm always hesitant w/ players above 7'2. the injury history for players that tall is pretty bad

Read on Twitter

This footage is meaningless. In this same game, Rudy Gobert was hitting step back 3’s

[knickstape4ever]

Kid needs to discover food

listed at 240....sure.....

looking at that kid, he may need to double his weight. looks really talented but I'm always hesitant w/ players above 7'2. the injury history for players that tall is pretty bad

Read on Twitter

This footage is meaningless. In this same game, Rudy Gobert was hitting step back 3’s

kid looks fluid tho, my 1st thought was KP

[3toheadmelo]

listed at 240....sure.....

looking at that kid, he may need to double his weight. looks really talented but I'm always hesitant w/ players above 7'2. the injury history for players that tall is pretty bad

Read on Twitter

This footage is meaningless. In this same game, Rudy Gobert was hitting step back 3’s

kid looks fluid tho, my 1st thought was KP

I’ve seen other footage though and to me he looks like an actual wing unlike KP.

[knickstape4ever]

I was watching KnicksFanTV and one of their guests (from Babcockhoops.com) posed something interesting:

If Kira Lewis went to Kentucky, would he be getting more top 10 hype

I agree w/ this. thoughts?

if ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry christmas

good news is kenny payne got a few good looks at him coaching at kentucky as well as other players like okoro, maxey, edwards, woodard, etc so hopefully that helps our decision

I mean edwards and okoro played for other SEC teams and are going in the top 10

sexton was the alabama PG before him and went 8th in a better draft

he's not being discriminated against for not playing at kentucky foh

lol who said he was being discriminated against for not going to Kentucky? said he would probs be getting more hype if he had gone to Kentucky. there's a difference between the 2

Collin Sexton was also a 5-star, top-10 recruit, Kira was not. (Okoro wasn't either, but Auburn has also been 1 of the best teams over the past 3 years, so you can make the case that's given him a better platform)

[3toheadmelo]

I want Kira/Hayes but I feel like we taking Okoro or Haliburton. Seems like they want players with “intangibles” and schit like that. Okoro and Haliburton fits that bill. I also think they wanna save face from the KP trade and will give DSJ another shot.

[knickstape4ever]

This footage is meaningless. In this same game, Rudy Gobert was hitting step back 3’s

kid looks fluid tho, my 1st thought was KP

I’ve seen other footage though and to me he looks like an actual wing unlike KP.

I worry about players so tall playing on the perimeter defensively. he's kinda forced to add more weight and become a stretch-5

idk, there's so much risk w/ players above 7'2, which is why I wanted to trade KP early on

[3toheadmelo]

kid looks fluid tho, my 1st thought was KP

I’ve seen other footage though and to me he looks like an actual wing unlike KP.

I worry about players so tall playing on the perimeter defensively. he's kinda forced to add more weight and become a stretch-5

idk, there's so much risk w/ players above 7'2, which is why I wanted to trade KP early on

I feel you. The only 16 year old I want right now is Emoni Bates.

[Oscirus]

I want Kira/Hayes but I feel like we taking Okoro or Haliburton. Seems like they want players with “intangibles” and schit like that. Okoro and Haliburton fits that bill. I also think they wanna save face from the KP trade and will give DSJ another shot.

If they're serious about building around thier two players, okoro is a bad fit as is Hayes, kira and haliburton would work though

[RHODEY]

Me too. This Terry kid can shoot from mid-court, this and his unparalleled IQ, Tyrell can start right away on this young team.

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Could see him being one of the best players to come out of this draft when it's all said and done

Yeah I'd pick Terry over Lewis as well and Terry does have the potential to be one of the best players from this draft. Everything about him...even now with the size...I like. You don't need to be super athletic to he successful in the NBA. Guys like Steph, Harden, Trae Young, Donnie, etc are proof and athleticism is the only thing Lewis has over Terry. Skill, feel and IQ more important especially for a PG and especially if you want to win.

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But isn't Lewis the much better defender?
and while I get that Terry played in a limiting system I still think its debatable whether he's a better passer.

I just don't know about Terry- How much is this hype is real versus subconscious Stephen curry projection?

The kid resembles Curry -facially and bodywise
Can shoot
Not really too athletic but really smart and crafty/good feel
His name even sounds like Curry -

But are we possibly projecting greatness onto him?? Are we ignoring his faults?