Miami HEAT Offseason/Trades/FA Thread: Sardine Central 4.0 Team Byke Ollinky Added

[batterybro42]

People really saying Kyrie is a slightly better Mo Williams? LeBron really is a guard reputation killer. Horrible teammate.

On topic, Kyrie is miles better than Dragic. Dragic has been vastly overrated for awhile on here. It hasn't been worth calling out since for a bad to mediocre team that we were last year, who cares. But if you're talking about trades, you're definitely get rid of Dragic for Kyrie. Its one of the easiest decisions ever actually. Who you don't get rid of is Whiteside.

There is a highlight tape from the finals game 5 above supposed to showcase Kyrie's skills. I suggest everybody go watch Kyrie at his best, and learn about the player you are all over valuing.

You will notice that almost all Kyrie's buckets come in completely isolated sets where his teammates cram to the other side of the court to give him room. He isn't creating anything for anybody, he isn't elevating anybody, he's a great ISO scorer that nerfs the rest of your offense.

This worked 10-20 years ago in the NBA, it does not work now. Just look at our big 3, we took 3 of the best ISO players in the world and put them together. They struggled until they learned to play together, and even then they were rarely the juggernaut they were supposed to be. The NBA is a more team oriented game now, you need complete players on the floor, Kyrie isn't one.

Why nobody is alarmed by Kyrie's health situation really goes over my head. He has a kneecap held together with pins. He's 25 already jogging around with a partial limp. This is not your franchise player

[dean456]

I wouldn't trade Whiteside for Irving, only for the fact I wouldn't trust Olynyk or Bam as the starting C and a Whiteside/Irving combo would be deadly.

Can we be certain that Whiteside/Irving would be any deadlier than Whiteside/Dragic? I don't think so, I think it would be much more the same. This team was a product of its' depth but Dragic was definitely the focal point and if we're trying to build on that team then keeping him in the mix would likely benefit us more than not. Bam or Olynyk can't effectively replace his production but Irving can and imo ballhandlers/wings are more important in the scheme of things. Not that Dragic's not tradeable...

I think Kyrie plays better in a higher tempo which would increase here compared to with LBJ and the Cav's. Dragic has good ball security and uses his body well but he isn't getting to the basket as much as Kyrie's ball handling skills would allow him to and if Kyrie's getting to the basket more that means Whiteside will be getting more opportunities either off misses or off more attention on Kyrie.

Just feel Dragic can be stopped more in single coverage's than Irving can. Granted this is assuming Miami will make Kyrie focus on making those passes when they present themselves which I'm sure they will.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

I wouldn't trade Whiteside for Irving, only for the fact I wouldn't trust Olynyk or Bam as the starting C and a Whiteside/Irving combo would be deadly.

Can we be certain that Whiteside/Irving would be any deadlier than Whiteside/Dragic? I don't think so, I think it would be much more the same. This team was a product of its' depth but Dragic was definitely the focal point and if we're trying to build on that team then keeping him in the mix would likely benefit us more than not. Bam or Olynyk can't effectively replace his production but Irving can and imo ballhandlers/wings are more important in the scheme of things. Not that Dragic's not tradeable...

I think Kyrie plays better in a higher tempo which would increase here compared to with LBJ and the Cav's. Dragic has good ball security and uses his body well but he isn't getting to the basket as much as Kyrie's ball handling skills would allow him to and if Kyrie's getting to the basket more that means Whiteside will be getting more opportunities either off misses or off more attention on Kyrie.

Just feel Dragic can be stopped more in single coverage's than Irving can. Granted this is assuming Miami will make Kyrie focus on making those passes when they present themselves which I'm sure they will.

Dragic is 3rd in drives per game and Irving is 17th.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I can't wait for us to stop talking about Kyrie Irving and all these pipe dream scenarios. It's getting on my nerves. I want Bam and Tristan talk again mixed in with a sprinkle of KO and McBob. Beno reunion as the cherry on top.

[Bishop45]

I wouldn't trade Whiteside for Irving, only for the fact I wouldn't trust Olynyk or Bam as the starting C and a Whiteside/Irving combo would be deadly.

Can we be certain that Whiteside/Irving would be any deadlier than Whiteside/Dragic? I don't think so, I think it would be much more the same. This team was a product of its' depth but Dragic was definitely the focal point and if we're trying to build on that team then keeping him in the mix would likely benefit us more than not. Bam or Olynyk can't effectively replace his production but Irving can and imo ballhandlers/wings are more important in the scheme of things. Not that Dragic's not tradeable...

I think Kyrie plays better in a higher tempo which would increase here compared to with LBJ and the Cav's. Dragic has good ball security and uses his body well but he isn't getting to the basket as much as Kyrie's ball handling skills would allow him to and if Kyrie's getting to the basket more that means Whiteside will be getting more opportunities either off misses or off more attention on Kyrie.

Just feel Dragic can be stopped more in single coverage's than Irving can. Granted this is assuming Miami will make Kyrie focus on making those passes when they present themselves which I'm sure they will.

I mean... He's definitely better but he's not a more frequent passer than Dragic, even with the type of spacing he's accustom to in relation to Dragic, so I'm not sure it will affect Whiteside much if at all. Irving's more likely a compliment to the team than someone to make everybody better... While I see Dragic as more of the opposite. That could be selling Irving short because he's a capable passer, just not buying an Irving/Whiteside duo past namesake

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Another story: LeBron insisted reserve James Jones play more with the Heat. Everyone loves Jones. But he wasn’t a championship-level player, especially on defense. In LeBron’s final Heat season, Jones played late in a game and hit some shots. “Great coaching, Spo,’’ James kept yelling from the bench.

Everyone inside the team knew it wasn’t a compliment of Heat coach Erik Spoelstra. It was a mocking of him. It was the best player belittling the coach by saying this should be done every night.

Lol, I can't stand LeBron but I actually agree with this. I remember pulling my hair out during the 2011 Finals when Spo refused to play 3pt shootout winner Jones even as Mike Miller couldn't throw the ball into the ocean from a pier

Worth noting tho that we wouldn't have even needed either had LeBron simply not been the worst player on the floor every 4th quarter but that's a whole other issue

[Mos_Heat]

It feels weird, but i agree with battery.

While Irving is a better player in a vacuum, the gap between him and Goran is not big. ISO scoring is the most overrated thing in basketball, imo. Honestly, I would take Conley over Kyrie, IT or Dame(even with Mike's contract) easily.

With that said, if you can get him without gutting your team, you obviously should do it.

[batterybro42]

I wouldn't trade Whiteside for Irving, only for the fact I wouldn't trust Olynyk or Bam as the starting C and a Whiteside/Irving combo would be deadly.

Can we be certain that Whiteside/Irving would be any deadlier than Whiteside/Dragic? I don't think so, I think it would be much more the same. This team was a product of its' depth but Dragic was definitely the focal point and if we're trying to build on that team then keeping him in the mix would likely benefit us more than not. Bam or Olynyk can't effectively replace his production but Irving can and imo ballhandlers/wings are more important in the scheme of things. Not that Dragic's not tradeable...

I think Kyrie plays better in a higher tempo which would increase here compared to with LBJ and the Cav's. Dragic has good ball security and uses his body well but he isn't getting to the basket as much as Kyrie's ball handling skills would allow him to and if Kyrie's getting to the basket more that means Whiteside will be getting more opportunities either off misses or off more attention on Kyrie.

Just feel Dragic can be stopped more in single coverage's than Irving can. Granted this is assuming Miami will make Kyrie focus on making those passes when they present themselves which I'm sure they will.

I wouldn't mind Kyrie if he was a PNR driver, he isn't. His game is a ISO set where he pounds the ball until he's around his isolated defender and can score. He's not throwing lobs, he's not kicking it out, he's trying for buckets, and he's leaving Cleveland so he can score even more.

It wasnt enough for Kyrie to have the most FGA per game in the NBA last year, he needs more to validate his overhyped skill set. If you want to sign up for a 6'1 Kobe Bryant with a limp/sugically repaired knee cap, and watch him try to get to 30 FGA per game, Kyrie is your guy.

This is 2017 and in the NBA the only thing that type of play will win you, is a bigger shoe deal

[SpacelyH]

Rather build on a 25 year old Kyrie and lose than a 30 year old Dragic and lose. Kyrie would attract more FA's than Dragic that's for sure.

[IggieCC]

I can't wait for us to stop talking about Kyrie Irving and all these pipe dream scenarios. It's getting on my nerves. I want Bam and Tristan talk again mixed in with a sprinkle of KO and McBob. Beno reunion as the cherry on top.

Spoiler:

against prime KG

Spoiler:

..

[MettaWorldPanda]

I can't wait for us to stop talking about Kyrie Irving and all these pipe dream scenarios. It's getting on my nerves. I want Bam and Tristan talk again mixed in with a sprinkle of KO and McBob. Beno reunion as the cherry on top.

Spoiler:

against prime KG

Spoiler:

..

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Clash of the Titans Iggs

[KingDavid]

Another story: LeBron insisted reserve James Jones play more with the Heat. Everyone loves Jones. But he wasn’t a championship-level player, especially on defense. In LeBron’s final Heat season, Jones played late in a game and hit some shots. “Great coaching, Spo,’’ James kept yelling from the bench.

Everyone inside the team knew it wasn’t a compliment of Heat coach Erik Spoelstra. It was a mocking of him. It was the best player belittling the coach by saying this should be done every night.

Lol, I can't stand LeBron but I actually agree with this. I remember pulling my hair out during the 2011 Finals when Spo refused to play 3pt shootout winner Jones even as Mike Miller couldn't throw the ball into the ocean from a pier

Worth noting tho that we wouldn't have even needed either had LeBron simply not been the worst player on the floor every 4th quarter but that's a whole other issue

James Jones himself told me that the reason is because of serious politics. They didn't pay Mike Miller all that money to sit for James Jones.

The whole "spobot" thing was a very serious problem back then.

[KingDavid]

I can't wait for us to stop talking about Kyrie Irving and all these pipe dream scenarios. It's getting on my nerves. I want Bam and Tristan talk again mixed in with a sprinkle of KO and McBob. Beno reunion as the cherry on top.

I don't think anyone here really thinks we're going to get him. But it's fun to talk about fit from different perspectives.

[Cmon_Son-_-]

Another story: LeBron insisted reserve James Jones play more with the Heat. Everyone loves Jones. But he wasn’t a championship-level player, especially on defense. In LeBron’s final Heat season, Jones played late in a game and hit some shots. “Great coaching, Spo,’’ James kept yelling from the bench.

Everyone inside the team knew it wasn’t a compliment of Heat coach Erik Spoelstra. It was a mocking of him. It was the best player belittling the coach by saying this should be done every night.

Lol, I can't stand LeBron but I actually agree with this. I remember pulling my hair out during the 2011 Finals when Spo refused to play 3pt shootout winner Jones even as Mike Miller couldn't throw the ball into the ocean from a pier

Worth noting tho that we wouldn't have even needed either had LeBron simply not been the worst player on the floor every 4th quarter but that's a whole other issue

Honestly that wasn't even that big of a deal my biggest issue with Spo in 2011 was playing Bibby over Rio when Bibby played some of the worst basketball i've ever seen.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Lol, I can't stand LeBron but I actually agree with this. I remember pulling my hair out during the 2011 Finals when Spo refused to play 3pt shootout winner Jones even as Mike Miller couldn't throw the ball into the ocean from a pier

Worth noting tho that we wouldn't have even needed either had LeBron simply not been the worst player on the floor every 4th quarter but that's a whole other issue

Honestly that wasn't even that big of a deal my biggest issue with Spo in 2011 was playing Bibby over Rio when Bibby played some of the worst basketball i've ever seen.

The Bibby thing was another one, especially when Carlisle inserted Barea into the SL beginning game 4 so that he could get him matched up with Bibby and Barea proceeded to roast Miami the rest of the series. Spo waited until game 6 to react to that and it literally had me screaming at the TV lmao. Then in that game 6 he didn't even play Bibby -- so the guy you started for 5 games suddenly wasn't worthy of getting any minutes whatsoever? Just lol at that chit from Spo

Still tho, Bibby only played 17 mpg to Rio's 29. Whereas Miller played all 6 games and Jones literally played 0 minutes all series

[Cmon_Son-_-]

Lol, I can't stand LeBron but I actually agree with this. I remember pulling my hair out during the 2011 Finals when Spo refused to play 3pt shootout winner Jones even as Mike Miller couldn't throw the ball into the ocean from a pier

Worth noting tho that we wouldn't have even needed either had LeBron simply not been the worst player on the floor every 4th quarter but that's a whole other issue

Honestly that wasn't even that big of a deal my biggest issue with Spo in 2011 was playing Bibby over Rio when Bibby played some of the worst basketball i've ever seen.

The Bibby thing was another one, especially when Carlisle inserted Barea into the SL beginning game 4 so that he could get him matched up with Bibby and Barea proceeded to roast Miami the rest of the series. Spo waited until game 6 to react to that and it literally had me screaming at the TV lmao. Then in that game 6 he didn't even play Bibby -- so the guy you started for 5 games suddenly wasn't worthy of getting any minutes whatsoever? Just lol at that chit from Spo

Still tho, Bibby only played 17 mpg to Rio's 29. Whereas Miller played all 6 games and Jones literally played 0 minutes all series

Looking back on it and seeing how these Cavs teams are now I have no doubt that a lot Spo's coaching moves in 2011 were pressured by Lebron. 2012 Spo grew some balls and birthed Spoball

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[eddieheatfan]

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ñot if he's a part of a mega trade package

[HeatIn5]

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He then told the camper that he did not love Cafe Bustelo, which made everybody think that he would fit in even better with LeBron.

Seems like the writing is on the wall. We are getting him. PRINT THE SHIRTS!















jk he's going to PHX (Kyrie, not Winslow)

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