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Is RJ Barrett a beast?

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Is RJ Barrett a bust?

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1761 » by Jalen Bluntson » Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:51 pm

ctorres wrote:Barrett is just erratic, that's his problem

1st game of the season: 11 points on 17/00/83 shooting splits

Next 11 games: 21 ppg on 47/34/77 shooting splits

Next 5 games: 13 ppg on 26/08/72 shooting splits

Last 11 games: 21 ppg on 44/38/81 shooting splits

Not a bust, but the 6 really terrible games he had this season make him look bad


Most of those games he was sick and probably shouldn't have been playing at all. This sample size of 22 good games vs the 6 bad games(illness mostly) should shut people up but, it won't.

He's not a star but, he's a decent player still growing at 22 years of age. The next 3-4 years will tell us exactly what he is for the most part. The crystal ball users around here will just have to wait.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1762 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Dec 15, 2022 10:57 pm

ctorres wrote:Barrett is just erratic, that's his problem

1st game of the season: 11 points on 17/00/83 shooting splits

Next 11 games: 21 ppg on 47/34/77 shooting splits

Next 5 games: 13 ppg on 26/08/72 shooting splits

Last 11 games: 21 ppg on 44/38/81 shooting splits

Not a bust, but the 6 really terrible games he had this season make him look bad


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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1763 » by Ghetto Gospel » Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:01 pm

ctorres wrote:Barrett is just erratic, that's his problem

1st game of the season: 11 points on 17/00/83 shooting splits

Next 11 games: 21 ppg on 47/34/77 shooting splits

Next 5 games: 13 ppg on 26/08/72 shooting splits

Last 11 games: 21 ppg on 44/38/81 shooting splits

Not a bust, but the 6 really terrible games he had this season make him look bad


every player has terrible games and stretches where they play poorly

the issue with RJ is that his good games aren't enough to wash out the stench of the bad games so his averages look terrible. we can't just pretend his bad games don't exist.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1764 » by The Lamma » Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:10 am

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1765 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:26 am

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1766 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:53 am

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1767 » by nedleeds » Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:08 pm

ctorres wrote:Barrett is just erratic, that's his problem

1st game of the season: 11 points on 17/00/83 shooting splits

Next 11 games: 21 ppg on 47/34/77 shooting splits

Next 5 games: 13 ppg on 26/08/72 shooting splits

Last 11 games: 21 ppg on 44/38/81 shooting splits

Not a bust, but the 6 really terrible games he had this season make him look bad

The 3 terrible years don't count? Because the aggregate of those 3 years makes him one of the worst 10 shooters who shoot more than 10 shots a game in the league.

Actually even more damning is that RJ has played more minutes than anyone in his draft class. So ... we have the most evidence of any player being bad for RJ.
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1768 » by DowNY » Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:37 am

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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1769 » by knicksNOTslick » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:01 am

nedleeds wrote:
ctorres wrote:Barrett is just erratic, that's his problem

1st game of the season: 11 points on 17/00/83 shooting splits

Next 11 games: 21 ppg on 47/34/77 shooting splits

Next 5 games: 13 ppg on 26/08/72 shooting splits

Last 11 games: 21 ppg on 44/38/81 shooting splits

Not a bust, but the 6 really terrible games he had this season make him look bad

The 3 terrible years don't count? Because the aggregate of those 3 years makes him one of the worst 10 shooters who shoot more than 10 shots a game in the league.

Actually even more damning is that RJ has played more minutes than anyone in his draft class. So ... we have the most evidence of any player being bad for RJ.

It's easy to look at stats and make conclusions on a player as if he wasn't the youngest in the class and acting like there's no more room for improvement.

The numbers might show he hasn't improved but if you watch the games, you'll see he's not as limited as he once was. RJ just needs to figure it all out and make better decisions which is all doable. He is capable. He has added different facets to his game compared to before and he has been shooting FTs a lot better.

You can see he was trying to add things to his game that he's not good at and it's why his numbers suck, because he keeps trying to expand his skillset even though he's not ready to execut them at a high level.This year he's been taking more mid range shots, shooting 3s off the dribble. He has mainly improved at his catch and shoot 3s, especially in the corner and has been a little better at finishing.

He has improved especially recently. You can't just point to his terrible games. He's had a lot of good moments as well and is slowly improving his game. Once he puts it all together which I think he's gonna get there, it'll be awesome to watch. He is still only 22.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1770 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:54 am

Still a bust.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1771 » by nedleeds » Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:44 pm

knicksNOTslick wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
ctorres wrote:Barrett is just erratic, that's his problem

1st game of the season: 11 points on 17/00/83 shooting splits

Next 11 games: 21 ppg on 47/34/77 shooting splits

Next 5 games: 13 ppg on 26/08/72 shooting splits

Last 11 games: 21 ppg on 44/38/81 shooting splits

Not a bust, but the 6 really terrible games he had this season make him look bad

The 3 terrible years don't count? Because the aggregate of those 3 years makes him one of the worst 10 shooters who shoot more than 10 shots a game in the league.

Actually even more damning is that RJ has played more minutes than anyone in his draft class. So ... we have the most evidence of any player being bad for RJ.

It's easy to look at stats and make conclusions on a player as if he wasn't the youngest in the class and acting like there's no more room for improvement.
He is still only 22.

We got the eye test / watch the games.
He's young.
Ignore the awful games.

The hat trick of R_ excuses. If he went to Villanova and was drafted by the Magic at the end of the 1st round he'd be a bench player behind Wagner and the national media wouldn't even know his name. He went to Dook and got drafted here 3rd, that's the only reason anyone even mentions his name.
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1772 » by Polk377 » Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:58 pm

The RJ bust talks have always been ridiculous. I don't know a single bust who averaged 19 points 6 rebounds and 3 assists in any season of their careers. Chill out on expectations. If he can be a good #2 option and a great #3 that will be fine.
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Post#1773 » by bronxknicksfan1 » Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:08 pm

nedleeds wrote:
knicksNOTslick wrote:
nedleeds wrote:The 3 terrible years don't count? Because the aggregate of those 3 years makes him one of the worst 10 shooters who shoot more than 10 shots a game in the league.

Actually even more damning is that RJ has played more minutes than anyone in his draft class. So ... we have the most evidence of any player being bad for RJ.

It's easy to look at stats and make conclusions on a player as if he wasn't the youngest in the class and acting like there's no more room for improvement.
He is still only 22.

We got the eye test / watch the games.
He's young.
Ignore the awful games.

The hat trick of R_ excuses. If he went to Villanova and was drafted by the Magic at the end of the 1st round he'd be a bench player behind Wagner and the national media wouldn't even know his name. He went to Dook and got drafted here 3rd, that's the only reason anyone even mentions his name.


Still mad about Donovan?

RJ playing great, Grimes playing great. Stop crying.
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Post#1774 » by knicks94 » Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:34 pm

RJ is a very good player who will probably make one or two all star appearances in his career, but unless he takes his game to another level he will be a bust as the number 3 pick.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1775 » by nedleeds » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:06 pm

bronxknicksfan1 wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
knicksNOTslick wrote:It's easy to look at stats and make conclusions on a player as if he wasn't the youngest in the class and acting like there's no more room for improvement.
He is still only 22.

We got the eye test / watch the games.
He's young.
Ignore the awful games.

The hat trick of R_ excuses. If he went to Villanova and was drafted by the Magic at the end of the 1st round he'd be a bench player behind Wagner and the national media wouldn't even know his name. He went to Dook and got drafted here 3rd, that's the only reason anyone even mentions his name.


Still mad about Donovan?

RJ playing great, Grimes playing great. Stop crying.


Donovan Mitchell? Lol no I didn't want him either. I want a top 5 pick for 4 years. Instead we're the 2014 Bobcats.
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
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Re: Is RJ Barrett a bust? 

Post#1776 » by DowNY » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:10 pm

nedleeds wrote:
bronxknicksfan1 wrote:
nedleeds wrote:We got the eye test / watch the games.
He's young.
Ignore the awful games.

The hat trick of R_ excuses. If he went to Villanova and was drafted by the Magic at the end of the 1st round he'd be a bench player behind Wagner and the national media wouldn't even know his name. He went to Dook and got drafted here 3rd, that's the only reason anyone even mentions his name.


Still mad about Donovan?

RJ playing great, Grimes playing great. Stop crying.


Donovan Mitchell? Lol no I didn't want him either. I want a top 5 pick for 4 years. Instead we're the 2014 Bobcats.

Top 5 pick for 4 years? Lmfao
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Post#1777 » by nedleeds » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:16 pm

DowNY wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
bronxknicksfan1 wrote:
Still mad about Donovan?

RJ playing great, Grimes playing great. Stop crying.


Donovan Mitchell? Lol no I didn't want him either. I want a top 5 pick for 4 years. Instead we're the 2014 Bobcats.

Top 5 pick for 4 years? Lmfao
Go be a Thunder fan

I'm a Knicks fan because I actually want to make another finals appearance before I **** die. Rooting for the play in game with a capped out roster without a top 50 player is just sad.

At least the Thunder got to a Finals in the past 20 years. You are insane or got hit in the head with a brick as a child if you wouldn't swap rosters, front office and future with the Thunder.
Zenzibar wrote:Nevertheless, Payton is not a finished product yet and unless the team moves him in a couple of weeks, I anticipate him trending upward with this coaching staff.
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Post#1779 » by DowNY » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:40 pm

nedleeds wrote:
DowNY wrote:
nedleeds wrote:
Donovan Mitchell? Lol no I didn't want him either. I want a top 5 pick for 4 years. Instead we're the 2014 Bobcats.

Top 5 pick for 4 years? Lmfao
Go be a Thunder fan

I'm a Knicks fan because I actually want to make another finals appearance before I **** die. Rooting for the play in game with a capped out roster without a top 50 player is just sad.

At least the Thunder got to a Finals in the past 20 years. You are insane or got hit in the head with a brick as a child if you wouldn't swap rosters, front office and future with the Thunder.

People been saying this about the Thunder for years but they haven’t been Jack sh*T since the KD/Russ era.
Even with SGA, who’s definitely the best player between both teams, they’re still losing.
They will always be a small market filled with potential only.
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Post#1780 » by Polk377 » Sat Dec 17, 2022 5:48 pm

knicks94 wrote:RJ is a very good player who will probably make one or two all star appearances in his career, but unless he takes his game to another level he will be a bust as the number 3 pick.

Why? Who was the player available at #3 who would have been better than him? Garland is the only other player even close to RJ and he is in the same territory. Would you have rather had Coby White, Jarrett Culver, Deandre Hunter, Rui Hachimura, Jaxson Hayes or Cam Reddish? Those were your other options in the top 10.

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