PG (Atl): Raps take Hawk Two-Ah in Toronto (25/26 edition)

[Dexjackson]

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extremely tempting to just dump Poeltl.

I like CMB a lot, but expecting consistent starting performance from almost any rookie big man is asking a great deal. If we give him the starting role, expect a lot of great games and a lot of frustrating games as he learns the league. Most big men take at least a couple seasons to get their footing in the NBA.

i don't disagree, CMB will go through ups and downs. Plus he's not a real center and we've have tried to use players of this ilk as full time centers and it didn't go well (cough Precious).

But it's not like Poeltl is playing anyways. He might also just be cooked at this point and the contract is going to look worse and worse.

Yeah I don't know that we can trade that contract right now without attaching some kind of assets. The only way I'm taking a loss is if it seems clear that his value will continue to depreciate, at which point you wonder why any other team would trade for him.

[JCP11]

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extremely tempting to just dump Poeltl.

Will be interesting to see how they/CMB play vs big bodies in Queta and if Embiid plays.

That's my issue for those who want him to be a small ball center full time which I don't think he is. Last night was vs Okongwu who's just a little bit bigger than him so it was a good matchup for him. However I don't see him being quite as effective vs Embid, Queta, ADavis, Jokic, Duren, Gobert, Allen, Mitch Rob, Vucevic, Ayton, Edey, Valenciunas, Turner. Playing 82 games vs big bodies at his size is tough, it eventually takes a toll and reduces your effectiveness.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

I really thought ATL had a good offseason. I thought they were going to make noise. Maybe they will come together post Young trade, but man we've had their number this reg season.

[HumbleRen]

I really thought ATL had a good offseason. I thought they were going to make noise. Maybe they will come together post Young trade, but man we've had their number this reg season.

They took a gamble on KP and it failed for them sadly.

When KP was on the floor, they were winning their minutes, when he was off, they were getting blown out. He just can’t stay healthy but we all knew that.

[TheGeneral99]

I really thought ATL had a good offseason. I thought they were going to make noise. Maybe they will come together post Young trade, but man we've had their number this reg season.

Trae has only played 10 games and Porzingis has only played 16 games.

Tough to do well when your starting PG and Center miss more than half the games.

[mihaic]

I really thought ATL had a good offseason. I thought they were going to make noise. Maybe they will come together post Young trade, but man we've had their number this reg season.

It's because we had a crap coach in Darko, and a supposed excellent coach like Snyder was completely thrown off by our coach's moves
/sarcasm

So for all these people telling us Darko is not good, how come the Hawks lost 4 games. With and without Trae, with and without Porzingis. 4 games.

[PushDaRock]

Nuggets reserves are pretty good. No accident us or Philly lost in close games.

Hornets are imo much better than their record shows.

No, Denver's reserves aren't good at all lol

There's no way Philly should be losing to them when they're missing their entire starting lineup and 2 of their top bench scorers as well, but Denver got an outlier shooting game from a lot of random guys and pulled it out.

So Nuggets beat us, beat Philly, and lost to Cavs only because Cavs went on a 10-0 run to end the game, but are trash?

Sometimes it's about a team system/ coach that makes losing guys hurt less. Nuggets have a great system. Celtics are the same way. They both can plug and play when guys miss games.

Just watch, Nuggets will beat more teams in the East this month without Jokic. And we want that!

Sample Size?

Their D is also really bad and we put up our worst shooting game of the year against them.

What "system" are they running without Jokic and Murray out there that makes them great?

[PushDaRock]

If we had Trae instead of IQ it wouldn't have been much different. I don't think he's a difference maker, if we take the ball out of Ingram's hands and put it into Trae we're moving laterally. We need a 3+D guard that can nail a high volume of threes and get around screens and be pesky. Shead is almost there but we need to see more from him in terms of shooting. But he's shooting 36% from the field right now and hitting 32% of his 3s. I don't think Shead's even a NBA player, the love for him here is weird.

lmao how do you have him as "almost there" while in the next sentence, he's not even an NBA player?

It's my description of him. He's there on defense and completely not there on offense. But he'll fool you if you're using the eye test.

lol anyone using the eye test can tell you he's a brutal offensive player

[mihaic]

lmao how do you have him as "almost there" while in the next sentence, he's not even an NBA player?

It's my description of him. He's there on defense and completely not there on offense. But he'll fool you if you're using the eye test.

lol anyone using the eye test can tell you he's a brutal offensive player

Brutal is a strong word. Although he is a terrible shooter he compensates by running the offense really well. He can penetrate and pass.

Give him another offseason and if he develops a driving floater (which is attainable) à la IQ, his overall TS% would be acceptable regardless of 3%.

He already runs the offense MUCH better than our 32M PG.

[causal_fan]

We're among the worst offenses in the league without RJ and among the best with him

And yet, there are posters who are willing to attach draft assets to "dump" RJ - Bizarre!

[Godaddycurse]

It's my description of him. He's there on defense and completely not there on offense. But he'll fool you if you're using the eye test.

lol anyone using the eye test can tell you he's a brutal offensive player

Brutal is a strong word. Although he is a terrible shooter he compensates by running the offense really well. He can penetrate and pass.

Give him another offseason and if he develops a driving floater (which is attainable) à la IQ, his overall TS% would be acceptable regardless of 3%.

He already runs the offense MUCH better than our 32M PG.

He runs the offense much better when Poeltl is injured. having IQ's pull up or outlet 3 pt threats makes Poeltl P&R's (with IQ or other players) much more deadly

[MiamiSPX]

I really thought ATL had a good offseason. I thought they were going to make noise. Maybe they will come together post Young trade, but man we've had their number this reg season.

Trae has only played 10 games and Porzingis has only played 16 games.

Tough to do well when your starting PG and Center miss more than half the games.

Well, for the C issue they should not be surprised or disappointed. This what they signed up for, there is always a good chance Porzingis will miss more games than he plays. There is a lesson in there for those that think AD pulling on a Raptors jersey is suddenly going to make him more durable. Would it surprise anyone in the NBA if AD goes down for the season within his first 5 games for this new team?

[PushDaRock]

It's my description of him. He's there on defense and completely not there on offense. But he'll fool you if you're using the eye test.

lol anyone using the eye test can tell you he's a brutal offensive player

Brutal is a strong word. Although he is a terrible shooter he compensates by running the offense really well. He can penetrate and pass.

Give him another offseason and if he develops a driving floater (which is attainable) à la IQ, his overall TS% would be acceptable regardless of 3%.

He already runs the offense MUCH better than our 32M PG.

I am talking about his scoring specifically, he's a terrible finisher at the rim and below average shooter. It's more likely than not that this is just who he is as a scorer. All 4 years in college, he was also around 50 TS% every season. He's never shown an inclination to improve in this area. He does a lot of things really well, but this just isn't one of them.

[HumbleRen]

lol anyone using the eye test can tell you he's a brutal offensive player

Brutal is a strong word. Although he is a terrible shooter he compensates by running the offense really well. He can penetrate and pass.

Give him another offseason and if he develops a driving floater (which is attainable) à la IQ, his overall TS% would be acceptable regardless of 3%.

He already runs the offense MUCH better than our 32M PG.

I am talking about his scoring specifically, he's a terrible finisher at the rim and below average shooter. It's more likely than not that this is just who he is as a scorer. All 4 years in college, he was also around 50 TS% every season. He's never shown an inclination to improve in this area. He does a lot of things really well, but this just isn't one of them.

To be fair,

His career league average TS% is higher than RJ’s, Scottie’s, BI and IQ’s. I’m aware it’s propped up by his free throw rate but still worth noting.

[PushDaRock]

Brutal is a strong word. Although he is a terrible shooter he compensates by running the offense really well. He can penetrate and pass.

Give him another offseason and if he develops a driving floater (which is attainable) à la IQ, his overall TS% would be acceptable regardless of 3%.

He already runs the offense MUCH better than our 32M PG.

I am talking about his scoring specifically, he's a terrible finisher at the rim and below average shooter. It's more likely than not that this is just who he is as a scorer. All 4 years in college, he was also around 50 TS% every season. He's never shown an inclination to improve in this area. He does a lot of things really well, but this just isn't one of them.

To be fair,

His career league average TS% is higher than RJ’s, Scottie’s, BI and IQ’s. I’m aware it’s propped up by his free throw rate but still worth noting.

lol we are talking about Shead

[HumbleRen]

I am talking about his scoring specifically, he's a terrible finisher at the rim and below average shooter. It's more likely than not that this is just who he is as a scorer. All 4 years in college, he was also around 50 TS% every season. He's never shown an inclination to improve in this area. He does a lot of things really well, but this just isn't one of them.

To be fair,

His career league average TS% is higher than RJ’s, Scottie’s, BI and IQ’s. I’m aware it’s propped up by his free throw rate but still worth noting.

lol we are talking about Shead

Oh yeah he’s brutal then lol.

His only saving grace is that IQ isn’t able to pass as well as him so it makes Shead look much more better than what he actually is.

[causal_fan]

I was at the game tonight. It was fun, but our fans don’t cheer like they used to. The atmosphere was kind of sad compared to some games I've been to in the past.

Need some playoffs success to drive a return to that level of enthusiasm, Blue Jays crowd were dead for many years before this past season.

[MoneyBall]

I was at the game tonight. It was fun, but our fans don’t cheer like they used to. The atmosphere was kind of sad compared to some games I've been to in the past.

Need some playoffs success to drive a return to that level of enthusiasm, Blue Jays crowd were dead for many years before this past season.

Maybe. I don't go to games often so when I do go it's like a playoff game to me:) I was just surprised to see a bunch of young dudes in Raptors attire not bother to even clap their hands.

[Dennis 37]

Scottie D just shut down Jalen Johnson again point blank, All NBA DPOY candidate!

he's not gona get any love while on the Raptors just like OG

Do you forget OG Dreamweaver and Flash Player sig of mine?

[PushDaRock]

We now have the 3rd best D in the league, you wouldn't think it's possible with Jak missing/ineffective for most of the season with how people complain all the time about our lack of size and whine about how many poor individual defenders we supposedly have.