The One And Only Offseason Thread!

[BobbieL]

Sweet we signed PJ Tucker. We can still be stuck at 9th to 11th seed in the Western Conference like the Wolves have been doing for years. I cannot wait!

I'm speechless right now. My disappointment level with the suns is huge right now. This is why the same teams win over and over. Some teams are dedicated to winning and some are not. Right now the winning isn't that important to the suns.


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So, what is your ideal offseason plan? You have 30m of cap space, draft picks and expiring contracts - what moves would you do as GM?

I will say - I am not over the top for this signing. I think its a bit steep for what PJ Tucker bring. But sometimes you do need glue/chemistry guys. Nick Collison has got a lot of money for being a solid player. Granted, off the bench.

[NaturalBuns]

On the trades forums people rate tucker as a scrub.

[Dr Manute]

I'm speechless right now. My disappointment level with the suns is huge right now. This is why the same teams win over and over. Some teams are dedicated to winning and some are not. Right now the winning isn't that important to the suns.

Sounds like you're a little disappointed

Hoping for: Starting Small Forward - LeBron James
Actually signing: Starting Small Forward - PJ Tucker

[bwgood77]

Yes thank you i was about to say the same thing. Why the hell would they give up wiggins for anyone on our team when they can get love

I think someone said we could then get him from Minnesota for Dragic or something, who could also leave them in a year. There are very few people in the entire league Wiggins would be traded for.

I don't even think Cleveland would trade him for Love (even if Love said he would stay long term) if they don't get LeBron.

I think you way overvalue wiggins. He's not the can't miss prospect people thought he was coming out of highschool. There would be at least 15 guys Cleveland would trade him straight up for(ignoring salary) and another 15 or so you could conceivably build a trade around with other assets. Would they trade him straight up for Bledsoe? No, but you're crazy if you don't think they'd trade him for love.

Personally I don't overvalue him, and I thought he was a big letdown in college. But I think VERY few teams would risk trading who many think could be a future franchise player and superstar. Especially guys on rookie contracts. You may be right that they would trade him for Love since they want to compete but there are some teams that probably wouldn't. It all really depends on the state of the team.

I think people build up the draft hype too much. I actually love it and always have high hopes, but I think people generally expect rookies to be able to contribute much more than they actually can and underestimate the giant gulf between talent at the college and nba levels.

If Cleveland projects Wiggins to be a generational talent though, it might not make sense to trade him for Love IF they don't get LeBron because they are a young team anyway. Where would just Love take them now? If all their young guys grow together though, they could turn into OKC down the road.

I also think people deem draft picks busts too fast too. A guy like Bennett could still turn out to be really good. You have to give a guy 2-3 years.

[Qwigglez]

Sweet we signed PJ Tucker. We can still be stuck at 9th to 11th seed in the Western Conference like the Wolves have been doing for years. I cannot wait!

I'm speechless right now. My disappointment level with the suns is huge right now. This is why the same teams win over and over. Some teams are dedicated to winning and some are not. Right now the winning isn't that important to the suns.


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When you're a playoff team, this signing makes sense. But we're on the outside looking in. Thunder/Spurs/Clippers/Rockets/Warriors/Blazers are for sure making the playoffs. Mavs/Grizzlies/Suns/Nuggets/Wolves/Pelicans are battling for the 7th and 8th seed. We had a Cinderella season, but can we replicate it? Sure, we have guys who are improving, but so do the Pelicans/Wolves, and other teams.
I hope this isn't our only move.

[Saberestar]

Interesting to note that the Phoenix Suns have yet to sign 1st round pick Tyler Ennis. Can't trade him for 30 days once they do.

[sunsfever68]

Good lord those who say Tucker is a scrub do not understand the concept of team basketball.

players are getting overpaid like crazy.

Suns fans love tucker good PR move resigning him.

He hustles his ass off and he may get better? his shot was coming on more and more.

He's a bruce bowen lite with better rebounding.

He came at a reasonable price.

I don't see the bitching?

He's not supposed to be a star?

He's supposed to be a key part of a championship team.

The hustle guy the intangibles guy the momentum shifter at home when we're down guy.

Thank god some of you aren't GM's


You'd sign carmelo kobe jr smith and demarcus cousins and expect them all to share a bASKETBALL

[lilfishi22]

Sweet we signed PJ Tucker. We can still be stuck at 9th to 11th seed in the Western Conference like the Wolves have been doing for years. I cannot wait!

I'm speechless right now. My disappointment level with the suns is huge right now. This is why the same teams win over and over. Some teams are dedicated to winning and some are not. Right now the winning isn't that important to the suns.


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Let's not sign anyone that plays with heart and on both ends of the court because they don't single-handedly bring championships.

[Kerrsed]

On the trades forums people rate tucker as a scrub.

He partially is. We always overate our own players, just like every other team (board) in the league.

[JMac1]

I am/was/at times is a big PJ Tucker hater, but that is a great deal for us, if you think otherwise....tisk....tisk. 5 million a year for a solid starting SF that plays tough and rebound, good deal.

[sunsfever68]

I am/was/at times is a big PJ Tucker hater, but that is a great deal for us, if you think otherwise....tisk....tisk. 5 million a year for a solid starting SF that plays tough and rebound, good deal.

This

Tucker is NOT a star.

He's a solid role player.

We paid him like a role player.

This is not our star FA acquisition.

We just can't lose another role player after losing Frye (he got overpaid so glad we didn't match)

We can give Anderson less money and he can do the same

[BobbieL]

Good lord those who say Tucker is a scrub do not understand the concept of team basketball.

players are getting overpaid like crazy.

Suns fans love tucker good PR move resigning him.

He hustles his ass off and he may get better? his shot was coming on more and more.

He's a bruce bowen lite with better rebounding.

He came at a reasonable price.

I don't see the bitching?

He's not supposed to be a star?

He's supposed to be a key part of a championship team.

The hustle guy the intangibles guy the momentum shifter at home when we're down guy.

Thank god some of you aren't GM's


You'd sign carmelo kobe jr smith and demarcus cousins and expect them all to share a bASKETBALL

I agree with a lot of this. And I asked this of Amin in todays Chat Wrap about 2010 and he agreed Sarver panicked and signed a bunch of "guys" and if the same owner panics again, will he sign a bunch of guys

I don't mind Tucker. But just because the Suns missed out on LeBron, Gasol etc - it doesn't mean EVERY signing this summer (Anthony Morrow, cough, Isiah Thomas unless a Blesoe S&T, cough) needs to be multiple years.

I would still be cautious with the dollars and length of contract unless its the total right player

[bwgood77]

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[Split T]

I think someone said we could then get him from Minnesota for Dragic or something, who could also leave them in a year. There are very few people in the entire league Wiggins would be traded for.

I don't even think Cleveland would trade him for Love (even if Love said he would stay long term) if they don't get LeBron.

I think you way overvalue wiggins. He's not the can't miss prospect people thought he was coming out of highschool. There would be at least 15 guys Cleveland would trade him straight up for(ignoring salary) and another 15 or so you could conceivably build a trade around with other assets. Would they trade him straight up for Bledsoe? No, but you're crazy if you don't think they'd trade him for love.

Personally I don't overvalue him, and I thought he was a big letdown in college. But I think VERY few teams would risk trading who many think could be a future franchise player and superstar. Especially guys on rookie contracts. You may be right that they would trade him for Love since they want to compete but there are some teams that probably wouldn't. It all really depends on the state of the team.

I think people build up the draft hype too much. I actually love it and always have high hopes, but I think people generally expect rookies to be able to contribute much more than they actually can and underestimate the giant gulf between talent at the college and nba levels.

If Cleveland projects Wiggins to be a generational talent though, it might not make sense to trade him for Love IF they don't get LeBron because they are a young team anyway. Where would just Love take them now? If all their young guys grow together though, they could turn into OKC down the road.

I also think people deem draft picks busts too fast too. A guy like Bennett could still turn out to be really good. You have to give a guy 2-3 years.

I can agree with that. I just think a Kyrie/love duo is plenty good enough to be top 4 in the east and I think Cleveland would jump on it. In reality I don't think it matters, love wouldn't come to Cleveland without lebron there and they would definitely trade wiggins for love if they had lebron.

And agreed on Bennett, he played one year of college, he's probably barely 20. Back in the preps to pros days, guys like McGrady/o'neal/chandler/Bynum/etc. all took multiple years to contribute. One year of college is not enough for most people

[matt131]

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[BobbieL]

Interesting to note that the Phoenix Suns have yet to sign 1st round pick Tyler Ennis. Can't trade him for 30 days once they do.

I have noticed Ennis has not been signed. I think there is something in the hopper - especially talking to Isiah Thomas (which I really don't like)

[Sunsdeuce]

Sweet we signed PJ Tucker. We can still be stuck at 9th to 11th seed in the Western Conference like the Wolves have been doing for years. I cannot wait!

I'm speechless right now. My disappointment level with the suns is huge right now. This is why the same teams win over and over. Some teams are dedicated to winning and some are not. Right now the winning isn't that important to the suns.


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So, what is your ideal offseason plan? You have 30m of cap space, draft picks and expiring contracts - what moves would you do as GM?

I will say - I am not over the top for this signing. I think its a bit steep for what PJ Tucker bring. But sometimes you do need glue/chemistry guys. Nick Collison has got a lot of money for being a solid player. Granted, off the bench.

I'm telling you, there are many many guys just like tucker in the d-league. Since the suns are not in a win now mode. I would save the 16 mil and get myself another d-league tucker. I would have used that 5.2 mil on a backup big man. Clearly, as of right now, the suns are not in a "win now" mode unlike what they were communicating before the draft. So if they don't want to win now I would obsorb some contracts that teams are trying to get rid of that would include 1st round picks.

Basically what Danny ainge is doing right now is exactly what I would be doing. I'm so jealous of Boston right now. Ainge killing it right now. And he has a target that he wants and nothing is going to get in his way.


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[charley barkles]

Who is Thomas' agent and best friends? Maybe we are trying to go after someone else that he can "recruit" just like Bledsoe did with LBJ...

[lilfishi22]

Everyone wants to sign LeBron James, but not everyone can. Some teams need to find help on the cheap. So, as July 1’s free agency frenzy begins, let’s take a look at three free agents who will command more than a minimum salary, but won’t cost you the max deals owners are hesitant to pay:

P.J. Tucker, SF (Former team: Phoenix Suns)

Tucker may have only posted a 13.3 PER this past season, but he’s the type of player who fits pretty seamlessly into any team. He’s a low-usage floor spacer, who knows how to move off the ball and knocked in 40.7 percent of his corner threes this past season. Meanwhile, he used just 14.2 percent of his team’s possessions.

You don’t need to worry about getting Tucker the ball on anything other than open jumpers. He’s a quality spot-up shooter, posting a 57.7 percent adjusted field-goal percentage in catch-and-shoot situations this past season, according to Synergy Sports. As a fourth-year, 29-year-old player, Tucker is a late bloomer. He left the league after his rookie season in 2006-07 only to return for 2012-13. In that time off, he learned how to guard. Now, he’s a pitbull who actually understands how to rotate on the defensive end. His 6-foot-5, 225-pound frame helped him hold offensive players who isolated against him to 32.3 percent shooting, per Synergy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2014/07/01/three-nba-free-agents-who-wont-break-the-bank/

This is from the beginning of free agency but I think it's a good summary of what Tucker brings from an outsider perspective.

[Scutt]

He's supposed to be a key part of a championship team.

Bingo!!! Too bad the Suns are NOT a championship team, so we should have had no business bringing PJ Tucker back. This Suns organization is so desperate to be mediocre it's not even funny anymore. They are going to go all out trying to get in the playoffs, ignore their young prospects, and end up somewhere in the 9th through 11th seed, just like last year. It is ok though, as long as they keep some young guys rotting on the bench, so naïve Suns fans can say "we have a young team and a bright future", when the reality is the average age of the Suns rotation players last year was 26.1, putting us right in the middle of the pack. This team has treadmill written all over it, if they cant get a true star ( a player BETTER than Bledsoe or Dragic) they need to go with the young guys and rebuild from the ground up.