Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIX

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...I don’t think they could get Towns and include Westbrook. No amount of picks makes that palatable from the Wolves end. The Wizards also can't acquire a salary like Towns without including Westbrook so it seems unlikely to happen.

This is so obvious that I can't understand why there is any discussion of it at all.

It might be useful to discuss the actually possible future of our actual team.

We are REBUILDING from the MESS created by more than a decade and a half of horrible work by the FO.

We are, essentially, STARTING OVER. We have one extremely good player (not a superstar but dxmned good anyway). From there on, it's a big drop off. Westbrook is terrible, Lopez is a corpse, Neto is a meh journeyman at best, Gill is a zero, Davis Bertans has one skill (if he finds it again) -- he is NOT a reliably above average NBA player. Ish Smith, Jerome Robinson & Moritz Wagner are just names.

Our 2d best player is Thomas Bryant who is seriously injured. Rui is way way short of starter level. Brown, Bonga & Avdija are gifted but extremely young.

That leaves Jordan Bell, Alex Len, Garrison Mathews & Cassius Winston.

What is the point of imagining we can acquire Karl Anthony Towns & become a good team?

[Dat2U]

...I don’t think they could get Towns and include Westbrook. No amount of picks makes that palatable from the Wolves end. The Wizards also can't acquire a salary like Towns without including Westbrook so it seems unlikely to happen.

This is so obvious that I can't understand why there is any discussion of it at all.

It might be useful to discuss the actually possible future of our actual team.

We are REBUILDING from the MESS created by more than a decade and a half of horrible work by the FO.

We are, essentially, STARTING OVER. We have one extremely good player (not a superstar but dxmned good anyway). From there on, it's a big drop off. Westbrook is terrible, Lopez is a corpse, Neto is a meh journeyman at best, Gill is a zero, Davis Bertans has one skill (if he finds it again) -- he is NOT a reliably above average NBA player. Ish Smith, Jerome Robinson & Moritz Wagner are just names.

Our 2d best player is Thomas Bryant who is seriously injured. Rui is way way short of starter level. Brown, Bonga & Avdija are gifted but extremely young.

That leaves Jordan Bell, Alex Len, Garrison Mathews & Cassius Winston.

What is the point of imagining we can acquire Karl Anthony Towns & become a good team?

Two elite players surrounded by trash is still probably a playoff team. Three elite players surrounded by trash is a title contender.

[prime1time]

You know I'm looking at these top 3 players in the draft, I don't really see how we can pass that up. Jalen Suggs, Evan Mobley and Cade Cunningham all have a chance to be very special. The best-case scenario is to be able to draft one of these players and keep Beal. Fire Brooks and bring in a new coach.

[MikeTheKid]

Don't do any trades now that aren't completely lopsided for the Wizards. Bertans needs to be hot and the entire roster off of Covid restrictions. Other teams need to be desperately seeking playoffs and a boost.


That is the optimal time to deal; not like the dumb Wall trade. Hold on to Bradley for as long as it takes.

For the folks who don't think MPJ is a stud, uh you're wrong. This man is sick!

If we do trade for MPJ, it would make sense to give them Bertans back as a replacement, if it means we could extract some more future assets from them.

I can't make it work though, not without them including Will Barton, which doesn't make much sense for them. I guess we could just try and ship Bertans to someplace like Boston for a TPE and a late 1st.

The Denver trade would be Beal for Harris + MPJ + Monte Morris. I'd try hard to get their 2021 pick too.

It would make for an odd rotation though. How do we play MPJ, Avdija and Hachimura enough minutes? Play Rui at center?

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As much as I really want Beal gone to recoup assets CCJ is 1000% right. I’d hold on to Beal until a week before the deadline.

I just feel like we’re going to end up sending Beal to MIL for Middleton and scraps


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[gambitx777]

No way in hell any gm in the league would make that move

Don't do any trades now that aren't completely lopsided for the Wizards. Bertans needs to be hot and the entire roster off of Covid restrictions. Other teams need to be desperately seeking playoffs and a boost.


That is the optimal time to deal; not like the dumb Wall trade. Hold on to Bradley for as long as it takes.

If we do trade for MPJ, it would make sense to give them Bertans back as a replacement, if it means we could extract some more future assets from them.

I can't make it work though, not without them including Will Barton, which doesn't make much sense for them. I guess we could just try and ship Bertans to someplace like Boston for a TPE and a late 1st.

The Denver trade would be Beal for Harris + MPJ + Monte Morris. I'd try hard to get their 2021 pick too.

It would make for an odd rotation though. How do we play MPJ, Avdija and Hachimura enough minutes? Play Rui at center?

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As much as I really want Beal gone to recoup assets CCJ is 1000% right. I’d hold on to Beal until a week before the deadline.

I just feel like we’re going to end up sending Beal to MIL for Middleton and scraps


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[FAH1223]

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...I don’t think they could get Towns and include Westbrook. No amount of picks makes that palatable from the Wolves end. The Wizards also can't acquire a salary like Towns without including Westbrook so it seems unlikely to happen.

This is so obvious that I can't understand why there is any discussion of it at all.

It might be useful to discuss the actually possible future of our actual team.

We are REBUILDING from the MESS created by more than a decade and a half of horrible work by the FO.

We are, essentially, STARTING OVER. We have one extremely good player (not a superstar but dxmned good anyway). From there on, it's a big drop off. Westbrook is terrible, Lopez is a corpse, Neto is a meh journeyman at best, Gill is a zero, Davis Bertans has one skill (if he finds it again) -- he is NOT a reliably above average NBA player. Ish Smith, Jerome Robinson & Moritz Wagner are just names.

Our 2d best player is Thomas Bryant who is seriously injured. Rui is way way short of starter level. Brown, Bonga & Avdija are gifted but extremely young.

That leaves Jordan Bell, Alex Len, Garrison Mathews & Cassius Winston.

What is the point of imagining we can acquire Karl Anthony Towns & become a good team?

Two elite players surrounded by trash is still probably a playoff team. Three elite players surrounded by trash is a title contender.

Broad terms like that -- "elite player," "trash" -- don't mean anything to me, but yes the floor for the playoffs is low: after all, more than half the teams in the league get in.

In any case, 1/2 my point was that we can't acquire KAT.

Not to mention that a one-sided trade benefiting us without costing as much the benefit it supplies is a naive idea.

[Dat2U]

This is so obvious that I can't understand why there is any discussion of it at all.

It might be useful to discuss the actually possible future of our actual team.

We are REBUILDING from the MESS created by more than a decade and a half of horrible work by the FO.

We are, essentially, STARTING OVER. We have one extremely good player (not a superstar but dxmned good anyway). From there on, it's a big drop off. Westbrook is terrible, Lopez is a corpse, Neto is a meh journeyman at best, Gill is a zero, Davis Bertans has one skill (if he finds it again) -- he is NOT a reliably above average NBA player. Ish Smith, Jerome Robinson & Moritz Wagner are just names.

Our 2d best player is Thomas Bryant who is seriously injured. Rui is way way short of starter level. Brown, Bonga & Avdija are gifted but extremely young.

That leaves Jordan Bell, Alex Len, Garrison Mathews & Cassius Winston.

What is the point of imagining we can acquire Karl Anthony Towns & become a good team?

Two elite players surrounded by trash is still probably a playoff team. Three elite players surrounded by trash is a title contender.

Broad terms like that -- "elite player," "trash" -- don't mean anything to me, but yes the floor for the playoffs is low: after all, more than half the teams in the league get in.

In any case, 1/2 my point was that we can't acquire KAT.

Not to mention that a one-sided trade benefiting us without costing as much the benefit it supplies is a naive idea.

Ok, in this context.... if you somehow add a Towns and subtract a hugely negative Westbrook, we probably make the playoffs and maybe avoid a 7th or 8th seed despite all of massive roster issues and bad start.

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I think Denver is building their future around Michael Porter, Jr. I don't think they are likely to send him to us -- not even in a deal that brings them Beal.

As to including multiple R1 picks along with Monte Morris while taking Bertans' awful contract too...?

If a trade looks like it'll solve most of your problems, that's not likely an available trade.

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Two elite players surrounded by trash is still probably a playoff team. Three elite players surrounded by trash is a title contender.

Broad terms like that -- "elite player," "trash" -- don't mean anything to me, but yes the floor for the playoffs is low: after all, more than half the teams in the league get in.

In any case, 1/2 my point was that we can't acquire KAT.

Not to mention that a one-sided trade benefiting us without costing as much the benefit it supplies is a naive idea.

Ok, in this context.... if you somehow add a Towns and subtract a hugely negative Westbrook, we probably make the playoffs and maybe avoid a 7th or 8th seed despite all of massive roster issues and bad start.

-- Sure!

Especially if a handful of other guys play at their demonstrated best (Avdija, Brown, Bonga, Mathews) & Rui shows convincing progress.

But, there is no way in the world that we can add Towns & subtract Westbrook. Actually, we can't do either one. Period.

[nate33]

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Seriously. Everyone needs to read these tweets a few times.

Beal is in a terrible situation. What exactly should be his facial expression after a loss that doesn't lead the media and fans to assume that he wants out? Should he look like he doesn't care about losing like Harden? Should he be laughing and smiling? Or should he be upset that he lost?

[nate33]

I think Denver is building their future around Michael Porter, Jr. I don't think they are likely to send him to us -- not even in a deal that brings them Beal.

As to including multiple R1 picks along with Monte Morris while taking Bertans' awful contract too...?

If a trade looks like it'll solve most of your problems, that's not likely an available trade.

I disagree. I think they'd trade MPJ for Beal in a heartbeat.

[NatP4]

I think Denver is building their future around Michael Porter, Jr. I don't think they are likely to send him to us -- not even in a deal that brings them Beal.

As to including multiple R1 picks along with Monte Morris while taking Bertans' awful contract too...?

If a trade looks like it'll solve most of your problems, that's not likely an available trade.

I disagree. I think they'd trade MPJ for Beal in a heartbeat.

The entire nuggets fanbase disagrees. They are building around Murray, MPJR, and Jokic.

[pcbothwel]

I think Denver is building their future around Michael Porter, Jr. I don't think they are likely to send him to us -- not even in a deal that brings them Beal.

As to including multiple R1 picks along with Monte Morris while taking Bertans' awful contract too...?

If a trade looks like it'll solve most of your problems, that's not likely an available trade.

I disagree. I think they'd trade MPJ for Beal in a heartbeat.

The entire nuggets fanbase disagrees. They are building around Murray, MPJR, and Jokic.

If they are smart they would look to trade Murray plus picks for Beal. Murray is an above average player that will have a Goran Dragic type career. Good player, but a 3rd piece on a contender at best.

[nate33]

I disagree. I think they'd trade MPJ for Beal in a heartbeat.

The entire nuggets fanbase disagrees. They are building around Murray, MPJR, and Jokic.

If they are smart they would look to trade Murray plus picks for Beal. Murray is an above average player that will have a Goran Dragic type career. Good player, but a 3rd piece on a contender at best.

I don't think I'd trade Beal for Murray, not unless they are throwing in a ton of future picks and pick swaps.

[NatP4]

I don’t even see why the nuggets would be looking to make a blockbuster deal. They have all the pieces to win it all. MPJR is just scratching the surface of his potential. Seems like he was the missing piece for them.

[pcbothwel]

The entire nuggets fanbase disagrees. They are building around Murray, MPJR, and Jokic.

If they are smart they would look to trade Murray plus picks for Beal. Murray is an above average player that will have a Goran Dragic type career. Good player, but a 3rd piece on a contender at best.

I don't think I'd trade Beal for Murray, not unless they are throwing in a ton of future picks and pick swaps.

I agree. My point was it would be smart for them to do, not us.

[nate33]

I don’t even see why the nuggets would be looking to make a blockbuster deal. They have all the pieces to win it all. MPJR is just scratching the surface of his potential. Seems like he was the missing piece for them.

Fair point. I didn't realize they were in the midst of a 5-game winning streak and are now 11-7. Last I checked, they were 8-7 despite Jokic playing MVP caliber ball.

[WallToWall]

Beal has maybe 5 more years playing at this high level. That is our window. We have to keep him, convince him to stay, and build around him. That building happens through the draft, and through pickup of good complimentary players we convince to come to the Wizards. That should be our strategy.

[gambitx777]

Wiz get Jones, bane, clarke, winslow 2021 utah pick, 2022 grizz pick, 2024 gs pick 2024 gizz pick
Grizz get beal

Good enough for beal or should the there be another pick added ? Like 2021 utah pick, 2021 grizz pick, 2023 grizz pick 2024 gs pick 2025 grizz pick.

Bane looks like he might have been a steal, we all love brandon clarke, jones is ok and winslow can either be bought out or warm the bench. You cut or trade ish and lopez or gill but it works.