Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong

[milellie111]

Nice - no projections - future looks bright

I will just leave it at that...

The future looks very bright. The Wizards are gaining press and are headlined across ESPN: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14012795/nba-john-wall-bradley-beal-centerpiece-washington-wizards-hopes

Sorry to disappoint folks like and Monte. Some fans insist on living in the past.

[montestewart]

Nice - no projections - future looks bright

I will just leave it at that...

The future looks very bright. The Wizards are gaining press and are headlined across ESPN: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14012795/nba-john-wall-bradley-beal-centerpiece-washington-wizards-hopes

Sorry to disappoint folks like and Monte. Some fans insist on living in the past.

I live in the present, Millie, not in a bubble under a rock

Disappointment involves having expectations. Everyone here knows you disappear whenever events don't match your stated expectations, because you feel no sense of accountability, because you never have real expectations. In the psychoanalytic community, this is known as displaced proclamatory fetishism. Hence, no win prediction.

[AFM]

Did someone mentions fetishes?

PS. Monte, I painted this for your Christmas gift. A little token to remember me by.

[tontoz]

Apologists always talk about the future. It is always "next year will be great" "the future is bright". Then the following year "next year we will be great" and so on an on year after year after year. Never any accountability.

[montestewart]

Apologists always talk about the future. It is always "next year will be great" "the future is bright". Then the following year "next year we will be great" and so on an on year after year after year. Never any accountability.

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to fail history." Mrs. Sessions, 8th Grade History

[dckingsfan]

Apologists always talk about the future. It is always "next year will be great" "the future is bright". Then the following year "next year we will be great" and so on an on year after year after year. Never any accountability.

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to fail history." Mrs. Sessions, 8th Grade History

Too funny.

I think the other lesson is to understand what the definition of "great" is... or what the word judge "verb" means. The meaning is "conclusion about". So, something has to have been done in order for it to be judged. You can define someone by what may happen in the future - well, you can but it is irrational.

46, 44, 29, 20, 23, 26, 19, 43, 41

That isn't my definition of great.

So, the reason most object to "Subject: Grunfeld a Great GM" is that it is a bald-faced lie. Things can only be judged past tense and 46, 44, 29, 20, 23, 26, 19, 43, 41 is not "great" - well at least in my definition of great.

Maybe if the title was "average GM trying to figure it out" there would be less histrionics.

[AFM]

Let's leave Ramon's wife out of this. He's been stellar off the bench thus far.

[milellie111]

Apologists always talk about the future. It is always "next year will be great" "the future is bright". Then the following year "next year we will be great" and so on an on year after year after year. Never any accountability.

Accountability? The front office has been held accountable for moves/draft picks that didn't pan out. They were rectified by shipping those players out of here and replacing them with contributors. McGee, Blatche, Young are examples.

Accountability? Remember gun gate. Grunfeld addressed the situation by purging the team of the trouble makers.

There has been good and bad during Ernie Grunfelds tenure however there has been more good than bad. Remember before gun gate, that team was strong in the East led by 2 all stars. Not the GM's fault he had to purge the roster due to criminal activity out of his control. What was the next plan of direction? Rebuild. Which he has done through the draft with Wall and Beal. The future is very promising and most Wizards fans recognize that. Even the media and folks outside of DC see it. Just difficult for most here to accept.

[pineappleheadindc]

To everyone else on this thread. A gentle reminder that you are voluntarily choosing to post and engage here. So if you feel any frustration, look in the mirror at the culprit.

[milellie111]

Nice - no projections - future looks bright

I will just leave it at that...

The future looks very bright. The Wizards are gaining press and are headlined across ESPN: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14012795/nba-john-wall-bradley-beal-centerpiece-washington-wizards-hopes

Sorry to disappoint folks like and Monte. Some fans insist on living in the past.

I live in the present, Millie, not in a bubble under a rock

Disappointment involves having expectations. Everyone here knows you disappear whenever events don't match your stated expectations, because you feel no sense of accountability, because you never have real expectations. In the psychoanalytic community, this is known as displaced proclamatory fetishism. Hence, no win prediction.

If you live in the present, then you would not be lobbying to fire the GM who assembled a consecutive season playoff team which happens to be a contender in it's conference and very well could be on the cusp of acquiring an elite superstar that would make this team instant title contenders.

I don't disappear when the team loses. I withdraw at times because the negativity on here can become overwhelming when the team does not win. More of the same "Fire Ernie, Fire Randy" nonsense that becomes nauseating. Sure, fire up the campaign if the team has shown no improvement and still remains cellar dwellers. I felt that way at one point but when Teds direction of the team slowly came to fruition and patience paid off, I realized what we actually have here and how Grunfeld deserves praise for turning this team around drastically.

[milellie111]

Apologists always talk about the future. It is always "next year will be great" "the future is bright". Then the following year "next year we will be great" and so on an on year after year after year. Never any accountability.

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to fail history." Mrs. Sessions, 8th Grade History

Too funny.

I think the other lesson is to understand what the definition of "great" is... or what the word judge "verb" means. The meaning is "conclusion about". So, something has to have been done in order for it to be judged. You can define someone by what may happen in the future - well, you can but it is irrational.

46, 44, 29, 20, 23, 26, 19, 43, 41

That isn't my definition of great.

So, the reason most object to "Subject: Grunfeld a Great GM" is that it is a bald-faced lie. Things can only be judged past tense and 46, 44, 29, 20, 23, 26, 19, 43, 41 is not "great" - well at least in my definition of great.

Maybe if the title was "average GM trying to figure it out" there would be less histrionics.

Yes, we love numbers. But do numbers tell the complete story? Do those numbers show major injuries to star players? Do those numbers tell the full story of internal and external factors happening within the locker room out of the GM's control?

The definition of "great" is not based on numbers alone, but based collectively on the body of work and current standing of the franchise.

[montestewart]

The future looks very bright. The Wizards are gaining press and are headlined across ESPN: http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14012795/nba-john-wall-bradley-beal-centerpiece-washington-wizards-hopes

Sorry to disappoint folks like and Monte. Some fans insist on living in the past.

I live in the present, Millie, not in a bubble under a rock

Disappointment involves having expectations. Everyone here knows you disappear whenever events don't match your stated expectations, because you feel no sense of accountability, because you never have real expectations. In the psychoanalytic community, this is known as displaced proclamatory fetishism. Hence, no win prediction.

If you live in the present, then you would not be lobbying to fire the GM who assembled a consecutive season playoff team which happens to be a contender in it's conference and very well could be on the cusp of acquiring an elite superstar that would make this team instant title contenders.

I don't disappear when the team loses. I withdraw at times because the negativity on here can become overwhelming when the team does not win. More of the same "Fire Ernie, Fire Randy" nonsense that becomes nauseating. Sure, fire up the campaign if the team has shown no improvement and still remains cellar dwellers. I felt that way at one point but when Teds direction of the team slowly came to fruition and patience paid off, I realized what we actually have here and how Grunfeld deserves praise for turning this team around drastically.

What makes you say I'm doing that. I'm not doing that. You are actually doing that far more than I could ever do that, because you are creating a dynamic disconnection between perception and reality where average is good, good is great, and great is GOAT, and any appearance to the contrary is background noise irrelevant to greatness. You are creating false expectations and putting unnecessary pressure on Grunfeld, who will have to come up with some answer when the fans realize they've been had not by Grunfeld, but by you, the manipulative fabulist who will turn on Ernie at the drop of a hat, once more calling him a moron (he's a human being millie, not a toy for your amusement). It's clear to me that you are not advocating for EG at all. With friends like you, Ernie doesn't need enemies. But thanks for quoting me twice. After all, this is MY thread, and you're just a tourist.

PS: Yeah, you disappear when the team loses. We got a spreadsheet and a betting pool and everything.

[dckingsfan]

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to fail history." Mrs. Sessions, 8th Grade History

Too funny.

I think the other lesson is to understand what the definition of "great" is... or what the word judge "verb" means. The meaning is "conclusion about". So, something has to have been done in order for it to be judged. You can define someone by what may happen in the future - well, you can but it is irrational.

46, 44, 29, 20, 23, 26, 19, 43, 41

That isn't my definition of great.

So, the reason most object to "Subject: Grunfeld a Great GM" is that it is a bald-faced lie. Things can only be judged past tense and 46, 44, 29, 20, 23, 26, 19, 43, 41 is not "great" - well at least in my definition of great.

Maybe if the title was "average GM trying to figure it out" there would be less histrionics.

Yes, we love numbers. But do numbers tell the complete story? Do those numbers show major injuries to star players? Do those numbers tell the full story of internal and external factors happening within the locker room out of the GM's control?

The definition of "great" is not based on numbers alone, but based collectively on the body of work and current standing of the franchise.

Yes, numbers do tell the story. If you are an oft injured player and never get the numbers you aren't great. You are a "could have been great". EG drafted knuckleheads and athletes with a propensity toward injury. His body of work is average or could have been great if he had just drafted differently.

By your definition - he is average

Q.E.D. - no reason for me to post in this thread any longer.

[milellie111]

I live in the present, Millie, not in a bubble under a rock

Disappointment involves having expectations. Everyone here knows you disappear whenever events don't match your stated expectations, because you feel no sense of accountability, because you never have real expectations. In the psychoanalytic community, this is known as displaced proclamatory fetishism. Hence, no win prediction.

If you live in the present, then you would not be lobbying to fire the GM who assembled a consecutive season playoff team which happens to be a contender in it's conference and very well could be on the cusp of acquiring an elite superstar that would make this team instant title contenders.

I don't disappear when the team loses. I withdraw at times because the negativity on here can become overwhelming when the team does not win. More of the same "Fire Ernie, Fire Randy" nonsense that becomes nauseating. Sure, fire up the campaign if the team has shown no improvement and still remains cellar dwellers. I felt that way at one point but when Teds direction of the team slowly came to fruition and patience paid off, I realized what we actually have here and how Grunfeld deserves praise for turning this team around drastically.

What makes you say I'm doing that. I'm not doing that. You are actually doing that far more than I could ever do that, because you are creating a dynamic disconnection between perception and reality where average is good, good is great, and great is GOAT, and any appearance to the contrary is background noise irrelevant to greatness. You are creating false expectations and putting unnecessary pressure on Grunfeld, who will have to come up with some answer when the fans realize they've been had not by Grunfeld, but by you, the manipulative fabulist who will turn on Ernie at the drop of a hat, once more calling him a moron (he's a human being millie, not a toy for your amusement). It's clear to me that you are not advocating for EG at all. With friends like you, Ernie doesn't need enemies. But thanks for quoting me twice. After all, this is MY thread, and you're just a tourist.

PS: Yeah, you disappear when the team loses. We got a spreadsheet and a betting pool and everything.

Creating false expecations? LOL! Many here have made posts that hints at hoping the team fails in order to get Grunfeld canned. Now that the team is doing well, many are sour because it means an extension of Ernie Grunfeld. Their dislike of Grunfeld is greater than excitement for success of the team.

No one is "advocating" for anyone and that was not the purpose of this thread. Why would I have to advocate for Ernie Grunfeld? His work advocates for him. Sure, if he didn't improve the roster over the span of seasons he's been here, fire him. If this team was no better than it was 5 years ago, sure can him. However, when you quit being a sheep with the masses on this board, put down the pitchforks, take a step back and objectively look at what he's done, then you will see there is no valid reason to fire the guy based on the CURRENT state of the franchise. Popular opinion here is to fire someone based on the past even though they've improved.

[milellie111]

Too funny.

I think the other lesson is to understand what the definition of "great" is... or what the word judge "verb" means. The meaning is "conclusion about". So, something has to have been done in order for it to be judged. You can define someone by what may happen in the future - well, you can but it is irrational.

46, 44, 29, 20, 23, 26, 19, 43, 41

That isn't my definition of great.

So, the reason most object to "Subject: Grunfeld a Great GM" is that it is a bald-faced lie. Things can only be judged past tense and 46, 44, 29, 20, 23, 26, 19, 43, 41 is not "great" - well at least in my definition of great.

Maybe if the title was "average GM trying to figure it out" there would be less histrionics.

Yes, we love numbers. But do numbers tell the complete story? Do those numbers show major injuries to star players? Do those numbers tell the full story of internal and external factors happening within the locker room out of the GM's control?

The definition of "great" is not based on numbers alone, but based collectively on the body of work and current standing of the franchise.

Yes, numbers do tell the story. If you are an oft injured player and never get the numbers you aren't great. You are a "could have been great". EG drafted knuckleheads and athletes with a propensity toward injury. His body of work is average or could have been great if he had just drafted differently.

By your definition - he is average

Q.E.D. - no reason for me to post in this thread any longer.

If you're going to make such statements, mind giving some examples? What "knuckleheads" did Grunfeld know about? Javaris Crittenton was not even drafted by the Wizards, he was aquired by trade and on paper, was a bright kid before turning pro.

Which players had known major injury histories before joining the Wizards that should have prevented Grunfeld from drafting/trading for them?

[TGW]

why are you guys arguing with a troll?

especially someone who clearly stated that this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.

[montestewart]

why are you guys arguing with a troll?

especially someone who clearly stated that this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.

Even Jackie Chan has to stay in shape. Wooden dummies keep you sharp.



Besides, millie's harmless. Even EG is no longer embarrassed by him.

[milellie111]

why are you guys arguing with a troll?

especially someone who clearly stated that this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.

The boards most prominent troll calling someone else a troll? Ha! Which is exactly why you sheepishly hide and browse this thread only to appear conveniently, add nothing to the discussion, and call others "trolls".

You're trolling was already exposed here:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39309402#p39309402


I've received pm's from others identifying you as a troll.


Someone even posted calling you a troll:

A+ thread
I've been calling TGW a troll for years. Glad someone else spoke up. Ban TGW.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=39310710#p39310710


You've contradicted yourself on a numerous of occasions. Here's just one example on your flip flop support of Randy:

From this:

Zip it with the coach. It's not Whitman's fault Beal and Wall are having their asses handed to them.

The players need to hold up their side of the bargain, and they simply are not.

To this:

How come no one on this team stops dribble penetration? What are the bigs doing

Blame Whitman.

You've even identified yourself as a troll:

Im definitely trolling those battyboys tonight

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Now that the team is doing well, you aren't able to "sell" your "Fire Grunfeld/Wittman" agenda to the board anymore, so you resort to calling others with positive views of the team and management "trolls" and attempting to derail threads with good meaningful discussions! How sad

[TheSecretWeapon]

Millie is giving a masterclass in trolling. And use of the search function. Advanced tactics:

I especially like Millie linking to a thread he/she wrote that allegedly exposes TGW's treacherous trollery, and the (seemingly) non-ironic quoting of AFM.

[nuposse04]

Wow that is a whole lot of fail right there milellie... lol.

I think the concept of sarcasm escapes this individual.