Political Roundtable Part XVI

[closg00]

Three Georgia police officers indicted for tasing to death black man who had committed no crime

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/21/1726673/-Three-Georgia-police-officers-indicted-for-tasing-to-death-black-man-who-had-committed-no-crime

[cammac]

Over the months ahead, as thousands of top-dollar accountants and lawyers get to work, expect to see many more routes to tax avoidance emerge — but only for the rich and well connected.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/21/1726723/-How-to-game-the-new-tax-system-according-to-Krugman

In the haste of getting something done the Republicans put forth a shoddy bill to appease the donor class when a bill is presented and voted on within days it will be filled with errors. The Republican party during the Obama era was the party of no without any constructive policies. The repeal and replace of ACA is a glaring example and now the tax bill to satisfy the corporate masters.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/22/1726800/-Abbreviated-pundit-roundup-The-GOP-tax-scam-is-unpopular-and-will-become-even-more-hated-next-year

[cammac]

Over the months ahead, as thousands of top-dollar accountants and lawyers get to work, expect to see many more routes to tax avoidance emerge — but only for the rich and well connected.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/21/1726723/-How-to-game-the-new-tax-system-according-to-Krugman

In the haste of getting something done the Republicans put forth a shoddy bill to appease the donor class when a bill is presented and voted on within days it will be filled with errors. The Republican party during the Obama era was the party of no without any constructive policies. The repeal and replace of ACA is a glaring example and now the tax bill to satisfy the corporate masters.

One of the biggest beneficiaries of the massive, slapdash tax bill that President Trump and Republican lawmakers celebrated at the White House on Wednesday will be, wait for it . . . President Trump. What a coincidence!

The rest of Trump’s wealthy family will benefit lavishly as well, including his son-in-law and all-purpose adviser, Jared Kushner. And, of course, it’s not a coincidence at all. The chance that this president would preside over a revision of the tax code without lining his own pockets was zero. Anyone who believed Trump’s claim that the tax bill would “cost me a fortune” hasn’t been paying attention.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/22/1726800/-Abbreviated-pundit-roundup-The-GOP-tax-scam-is-unpopular-and-will-become-even-more-hated-next-year[/quote]

[cammac]

A heiress speaks out! About the tax bill!

In a 2015 interview with the Los Angeles Times, Disney, who is a documentary filmmaker, said she has always felt like a rebel in her conservative family. When she attended Columbia University, she recalled being so anxious about her peers viewing her as a snob that she had a cab drop her off blocks from school. In 2014, when Meryl Streep called Walt Disney a “bigot,” his grandniece publicly agreed by posting on Facebook how much she loved the actress’s remarks

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/abigail-disney-heiress-gop-tax-bill_us_5a3bb87ce4b0b0e5a7a003b8

[cammac]

SD20, Popper and Nate 33 get there time in the sun to gloat about the abomination of the Republican tax bill and only one of the three will benefit from it!

The Democratic Tidal Wave is coming these are the reasons why!
#1 Trump is the most hated President since polling began in his 1st year. Yes he will hold 25 to 35% of the electorate mostly radical Christians and deplorable's.
#2 The Republican Party is growing increasingly unpopular in the polls losing key constituencies.
#3 Polls show at best they will turn out average turnouts in the midterms while the Democratic base is motivated.
#4 The stunning victory by Doug Jones in Alabama shows that no Republican seat can be considered safe.
#5 The Democrats had a tough row to hoe in the Senate in the midterms are now much less daunting in that two more seats may come into play on or before the midterms McCain's ( respect him as a man hate his politics ) and Cochran from Alabama. The Democrats would have a excellent chance of taking 2 Senate Seats in Arizona which has been trending Democratic but a renewed chance in 2 in Mississippi since 40% of the population is Afro American. With higher % of motivated Afro American turnout and less than 20% of the white vote could take 2 Senate seats in Mississippi. The Democrats are running a excellent candidate in Nevada and should take the Senate seat there. Tennessee could also be up for grabs with a former Democratic Governor ready to run.Yes the Democrats have some tough races of there own but they also also have both the Trump unpopularity and the Republican unpopularity to help.
#6 How safe is any Republican congressman in California, NJ, NY, Massachusetts and Ill?
#7 A real indication will be in Pennsylvania in March where a Trump before Trump candidate against a Doug Jones type democrat face off in a strong Republican district. If the Democrats win the wave could be more than the 60 seats the Republicans gained in the 1st Obama midterm.

[JWizmentality]

SD20, Popper and Nate 33 get there time in the sun to gloat about the abomination of the Republican tax bill and only one of the three will benefit from it!

The Democratic Tidal Wave is coming these are the reasons why!
#1 Trump is the most hated President since polling began in his 1st year. Yes he will hold 25 to 35% of the electorate mostly radical Christians and deplorable's.
#2 The Republican Party is growing increasingly unpopular in the polls losing key constituencies.
#3 Polls show at best they will turn out average turnouts in the midterms while the Democratic base is motivated.
#4 The stunning victory by Doug Jones in Alabama shows that no Republican seat can be considered safe.
#5 The Democrats had a tough row to hoe in the Senate in the midterms are now much less daunting in that two more seats may come into play on or before the midterms McCain's ( respect him as a man hate his politics ) and Cochran from Alabama. The Democrats would have a excellent chance of taking 2 Senate Seats in Arizona which has been trending Democratic but a renewed chance in 2 in Mississippi since 40% of the population is Afro American. With higher % of motivated Afro American turnout and less than 20% of the white vote could take 2 Senate seats in Mississippi. The Democrats are running a excellent candidate in Nevada and should take the Senate seat there. Tennessee could also be up for grabs with a former Democratic Governor ready to run.Yes the Democrats have some tough races of there own but they also also have both the Trump unpopularity and the Republican unpopularity to help.
#6 How safe is any Republican congressman in California, NJ, NY, Massachusetts and Ill?
#7 A real indication will be in Pennsylvania in March where a Trump before Trump candidate against a Doug Jones type democrat face off in a strong Republican district. If the Democrats win the wave could be more than the 60 seats the Republicans gained in the 1st Obama midterm.

It has been such a train wreck that they grasp on any headline to "prove" that they are #winning. Just like nate jumped on the whole Carrier nonsense, before he retreated to his safe.....sabbatical. How is Carrier doing lately?

[dckingsfan]

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/12/21/1726664/-This-Accountant-s-Perspective-A-Short-History-Lesson-on-Tax-Policy-as-Social-Engineering

Did they do the analysis for corporate tax cuts?

Not that I'm aware of but surely someone has.
My concern is that the major corporate cuts a ruse in that Fortune 500 type companies will not change habits but in fact profit exponentially since loopholes haven't been eliminated and in many areas increased especially in the real estate companies. You know I'm not against corporate tax cuts but like the Canadian model for small corporations better.

Yup, the carveouts are killing us. The problem is both sides love them... this has been a truly bipartisan train wreck.

[Pointgod]

SD20, Popper and Nate 33 get there time in the sun to gloat about the abomination of the Republican tax bill and only one of the three will benefit from it!

The Democratic Tidal Wave is coming these are the reasons why!
#1 Trump is the most hated President since polling began in his 1st year. Yes he will hold 25 to 35% of the electorate mostly radical Christians and deplorable's.
#2 The Republican Party is growing increasingly unpopular in the polls losing key constituencies.
#3 Polls show at best they will turn out average turnouts in the midterms while the Democratic base is motivated.
#4 The stunning victory by Doug Jones in Alabama shows that no Republican seat can be considered safe.
#5 The Democrats had a tough row to hoe in the Senate in the midterms are now much less daunting in that two more seats may come into play on or before the midterms McCain's ( respect him as a man hate his politics ) and Cochran from Alabama. The Democrats would have a excellent chance of taking 2 Senate Seats in Arizona which has been trending Democratic but a renewed chance in 2 in Mississippi since 40% of the population is Afro American. With higher % of motivated Afro American turnout and less than 20% of the white vote could take 2 Senate seats in Mississippi. The Democrats are running a excellent candidate in Nevada and should take the Senate seat there. Tennessee could also be up for grabs with a former Democratic Governor ready to run.Yes the Democrats have some tough races of there own but they also also have both the Trump unpopularity and the Republican unpopularity to help.
#6 How safe is any Republican congressman in California, NJ, NY, Massachusetts and Ill?
#7 A real indication will be in Pennsylvania in March where a Trump before Trump candidate against a Doug Jones type democrat face off in a strong Republican district. If the Democrats win the wave could be more than the 60 seats the Republicans gained in the 1st Obama midterm.

It has been such a train wreck that they grasp on any headline to "prove" that they are #winning. Just like nate jumped on the whole Carrier nonsense, before he retreated to his safe.....sabbatical. How is Carrier doing lately?

I have a serious question for the Republican posters in this thread. They mindlessly agree and follow every single thing that Trump and the Republicans do. Would they rather have a government that rushes bad legislation just so they can say they did something?

[gtn130]

Some day you're going to have to get out on your own and try to make something of yourself. Don't let the fear of failure stop you.

Popper, I'm deeply worried about what you think of me. Very astute observation on your part when you began this line of posting.

I shouldn"t be pulling your chain gtn, even though you try to provoke me. I sincerely hope you have a great future ahead of you.

Bro, I'm doing fine. I'm not going to brag about my credentials like SD20 does. I sincerely hope you have a great future ahead of you in which you depart from all of your misguided political beliefs.

[cammac]

Did they do the analysis for corporate tax cuts?

Not that I'm aware of but surely someone has.
My concern is that the major corporate cuts a ruse in that Fortune 500 type companies will not change habits but in fact profit exponentially since loopholes haven't been eliminated and in many areas increased especially in the real estate companies. You know I'm not against corporate tax cuts but like the Canadian model for small corporations better.

Yup, the carveouts are killing us. The problem is both sides love them... this has been a truly bipartisan train wreck.

I agree the need for Americans in general is to remember the old Kennedy axiom! Not ask what the country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

As you know I'm a fiscal conservative and believe the 1% and 10% should shoulder more of the burden. But the special interest groups whether Republican or Democrat should be ignored. Yes business should have deductions but realistic ones rather than the current rape and pillage.
A example of a progressive tax is one in Australia which is aimed specifically at banks but could be useful in other sectors.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/story-streams/federal-budget-2017/2017-05-10/federal-budget-2017-bank-tax-explained/8513264
I know it would be effective in Canada in our banking sector where Canadian Banks are hiding vast amounts in countries like Bermuda, Turks & Caicos, Ireland and other countries.
It can be done to make changes the independents must get more active to promote a agenda rather than be drones moving from one party to the other.

[gtn130]

I have a serious question for the Republican posters in this thread. They mindlessly agree and follow every single thing that Trump and the Republicans do. Would they rather have a government that rushes bad legislation just so they can say they did something?

The answer is yes.

Additionally, here are the reasons there are still Republicans in 2017:

-Identity politics / racism
-tax cuts

[dckingsfan]

Not that I'm aware of but surely someone has.
My concern is that the major corporate cuts a ruse in that Fortune 500 type companies will not change habits but in fact profit exponentially since loopholes haven't been eliminated and in many areas increased especially in the real estate companies. You know I'm not against corporate tax cuts but like the Canadian model for small corporations better.

Yup, the carveouts are killing us. The problem is both sides love them... this has been a truly bipartisan train wreck.

I agree the need for Americans in general is to remember the old Kennedy axiom! Not ask what the country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

As you know I'm a fiscal conservative and believe the 1% and 10% should shoulder more of the burden. But the special interest groups whether Republican or Democrat should be ignored. Yes business should have deductions but realistic ones rather than the current rape and pillage.
A example of a progressive tax is one in Australia which is aimed specifically at banks but could be useful in other sectors.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/story-streams/federal-budget-2017/2017-05-10/federal-budget-2017-bank-tax-explained/8513264
I know it would be effective in Canada in our banking sector where Canadian Banks are hiding vast amounts in countries like Bermuda, Turks & Caicos, Ireland and other countries.
It can be done to make changes the independents must get more active to promote a agenda rather than be drones moving from one party to the other.

But I think until there is a 3rd party there isn't much to be done - and getting that third party going is going to take quite some doing here.

If you just removed all the carveouts our system would be relatively fair and progressive. But neither the Ds or the Rs have ANY interest in doing that...

[cammac]

Everyone on this board should read this!
Especially the Republicans the new tax giveaway will increase these USA figures exponentially.
https://inequality.org/facts/global-inequality/
The American Middle Class now has 19.6% of the wealth compared to other western type democracies that have over double that.

[dckingsfan]

I have a serious question for the Republican posters in this thread. They mindlessly agree and follow every single thing that Trump and the Republicans do. Would they rather have a government that rushes bad legislation just so they can say they did something?

The answer is yes.

Additionally, here are the reasons there are still Republicans in 2017:

-Identity politics / racism
-tax cuts

I am not an R and don't want to defend their (what I think are stupid) policies. But... I think this is overly simplistic.

At the local and state level, Rs (for the most part) have governed fairly well (not saying great). And because of this they have been able to secure a following to the national level. Additionally, the "deplorables" that used to vote D have flipped over time (for the same reason). Some of that is indeed identity politics/racism but most of it is due to local politics.

Why? Because the DNC focused on the national level vs. the local level because they bankrupted themselves and they have a much better position at the national level.

Add to that the cyclical anger brought on by the failure of both of our political parties and you had a natural "flip".

I can sense the anger in both of you - and with many millennials that I chat with... we will see a flip again (and again and again) until one of the parties actually works on and explains sustainable government, income inequality and tax fairness.

Sadly, none of those issues has been dealt with by either party. But you two might be able to do something about it (I hope you do better than our generation).

[cammac]

Yup, the carveouts are killing us. The problem is both sides love them... this has been a truly bipartisan train wreck.

I agree the need for Americans in general is to remember the old Kennedy axiom! Not ask what the country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

As you know I'm a fiscal conservative and believe the 1% and 10% should shoulder more of the burden. But the special interest groups whether Republican or Democrat should be ignored. Yes business should have deductions but realistic ones rather than the current rape and pillage.
A example of a progressive tax is one in Australia which is aimed specifically at banks but could be useful in other sectors.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/story-streams/federal-budget-2017/2017-05-10/federal-budget-2017-bank-tax-explained/8513264
I know it would be effective in Canada in our banking sector where Canadian Banks are hiding vast amounts in countries like Bermuda, Turks & Caicos, Ireland and other countries.
It can be done to make changes the independents must get more active to promote a agenda rather than be drones moving from one party to the other.

But I think until there is a 3rd party there isn't much to be done - and getting that third party going is going to take quite some doing here.

If you just removed all the carveouts our system would be relatively fair and progressive. But neither the Ds or the Rs have ANY interest in doing that...

I agree in Canada some of the most progressive times were when the ruling party was in a minority position. They had to listen and compromise on legislation and find a path that benefited everyone. Obviously more difficult in USA especially with the electoral college.

[cammac]

Millions of American families are currently facing economic hardship in their retirement years. The chief executives of large U.S. corporations, meanwhile, are sitting on massive retirement nest eggs. In 2015 the retirement savings of just 100 top CEOs totaled $4.9 billion, a sum equivalent to the entire retirement savings of 41 percent of American families, 50 million Americans in all

https://inequality.org/facts/inequality-and-health/

Sorry for posting so frequently today you would think I'm SD20 but at least no FOX NEWS

[Pointgod]

Millions of American families are currently facing economic hardship in their retirement years. The chief executives of large U.S. corporations, meanwhile, are sitting on massive retirement nest eggs. In 2015 the retirement savings of just 100 top CEOs totaled $4.9 billion, a sum equivalent to the entire retirement savings of 41 percent of American families, 50 million Americans in all

https://inequality.org/facts/inequality-and-health/

Sorry for posting so frequently today you would think I'm SD20 but at least no FOX NEWS

You would have to be brain damaged to stoop that low.

[stilldropin20]

Millions of American families are currently facing economic hardship in their retirement years. The chief executives of large U.S. corporations, meanwhile, are sitting on massive retirement nest eggs. In 2015 the retirement savings of just 100 top CEOs totaled $4.9 billion, a sum equivalent to the entire retirement savings of 41 percent of American families, 50 million Americans in all

https://inequality.org/facts/inequality-and-health/

Sorry for posting so frequently today you would think I'm SD20 but at least no FOX NEWS

Read on Twitter

[stilldropin20]

I have a serious question for the Republican posters in this thread. They mindlessly agree and follow every single thing that Trump and the Republicans do. Would they rather have a government that rushes bad legislation just so they can say they did something?

The answer is yes.

Additionally, here are the reasons there are still Republicans in 2017:

-Identity politics / racism
-tax cuts

Read on Twitter

[Benjammin]

I have a serious question for the Republican posters in this thread. They mindlessly agree and follow every single thing that Trump and the Republicans do. Would they rather have a government that rushes bad legislation just so they can say they did something?

The answer is yes.

Additionally, here are the reasons there are still Republicans in 2017:

-Identity politics / racism
-tax cuts

Here's another reason.

Democrats

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