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Clyde Frazier wrote:
Could one of you fine gents please sticky this
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PaulieWal wrote:
penbeast0 wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:
limbo wrote:Giannis leads with a sizable gap. Then it's LeBron, Harden, Kawhi, Jokic in that order.
If Kawhi didn't miss a decent chunk of games he'd be competing for the 2nd spot with LeBron. Ditto Harden, this abysmal stretch in the last couple of weeks killed him.
Gobert, Butler, Tatum, Lillard, Luka probably the next five to round out the Top 10...
Where do you guys have Khris Middleton this season? WS/48, RPM, PIPM all have him in the Top 15 firmly. He's been amazing, but how much does playing 29 mpg as the 2nd fiddle on a stacked team count against him? How is his scenario different from a Scottie Pippen?
Colbinii wrote:70sFan wrote:Dr Spaceman wrote:
Boy that’s tough. I actually think that was the last time Bron was better in the regular season than the playoffs. It’s close and I could go either way.
I actually love 2013 James the most in terms of RS. He played such a smart and efficient basketball, Heat were scary with healthy Wade. Reminds me a bit of 1967 Wilt with his unreal efficiency stats. I don't think even Giannnis reached that level, but I can be biased.
That 9-game stretch was absurd.
76.7 TS%, 30.1 USG%, 138 individual Ortg, 30.4 PPG on 16.8 shots per game.
Odinn21 wrote:Colbinii wrote:70sFan wrote:I actually love 2013 James the most in terms of RS. He played such a smart and efficient basketball, Heat were scary with healthy Wade. Reminds me a bit of 1967 Wilt with his unreal efficiency stats. I don't think even Giannnis reached that level, but I can be biased.
That 9-game stretch was absurd.
76.7 TS%, 30.1 USG%, 138 individual Ortg, 30.4 PPG on 16.8 shots per game.
In 2012-13 season, LeBron had 2 different 9 game stretches with 25+ ppg and 75.0+ ts%.
Game 44-52; 30.4 ppg on 76.7 ts (+23.2 rts)
Game 68-76; 27.2 ppg on 75.7 ts (+22.2 rts)
Just unreal.
The best of Giannis (as for 9 game stretch); game 21-29 with 32.6 ppg 66.4 ts (+10.1 rts)
70sFan wrote:Odinn21 wrote:Colbinii wrote:
That 9-game stretch was absurd.
76.7 TS%, 30.1 USG%, 138 individual Ortg, 30.4 PPG on 16.8 shots per game.
In 2012-13 season, LeBron had 2 different 9 game stretches with 25+ ppg and 75.0+ ts%.
Game 44-52; 30.4 ppg on 76.7 ts (+23.2 rts)
Game 68-76; 27.2 ppg on 75.7 ts (+22.2 rts)
Just unreal.
The best of Giannis (as for 9 game stretch); game 21-29 with 32.6 ppg 66.4 ts (+10.1 rts)
Yeah, just unreal production from James. Why I compared that to Wilt?
Games 18-26: 28.2 ppg on 76.3% TS (+27.0 rTS%)
Games 60-68: 32.3 ppg on 68.4% TS (+19.1 rTS%)
With decent FT shooting he would approach 30 ppg on 90% TS.
Mos_Heat wrote:1. Giannis
2. Lebron
3. Jokic
4. Kawhi
5. Harden
6. Doncic
7. Lillard
8. Gobert
9. Davis
10. Butler
Colbinii wrote:Mos_Heat wrote:1. Giannis
2. Lebron
3. Jokic
4. Kawhi
5. Harden
6. Doncic
7. Lillard
8. Gobert
9. Davis
10. Butler
At this point what is Luka's argument over Lillard?
E-Balla wrote:If I were to do a top 10 I got:
1. Giannis
2. LeBron
3. Kawhi
4. Lillard
5. Jimmy
6. Harden
7. Tatum
8. Siakam
9. Jokic
10. Paul
70sFan wrote:E-Balla wrote:If I were to do a top 10 I got:
1. Giannis
2. LeBron
3. Kawhi
4. Lillard
5. Jimmy
6. Harden
7. Tatum
8. Siakam
9. Jokic
10. Paul
I don't agree with your Siakam placement. He's very good and nice to watch, he's also good defender which is a big plus, but what makes him better than Jokic? Or Davis? Or Gobert? I just don't see that.
70sFan wrote:Also, I was the first to say to not overreact with Doncic hype but he's definitely in top 10 this year (at least at this moment). His team is extremely underrated, but that doesn't make him worse. Tatum and Siakam don't have worse teammates at all.
E-Balla wrote:70sFan wrote:Also, I was the first to say to not overreact with Doncic hype but he's definitely in top 10 this year (at least at this moment). His team is extremely underrated, but that doesn't make him worse. Tatum and Siakam don't have worse teammates at all.
Tatum and Siakam aren't on 32-22 teams either so sure they don't have worse teammates, they also don't have worse teams.
There's no way Doncic makes the impact on both ends of the court those two make, they're the best 2 way players in the league outside of LeBron, Kawhi, and Giannis.[/b]
freethedevil wrote:E-Balla wrote:70sFan wrote:Also, I was the first to say to not overreact with Doncic hype but he's definitely in top 10 this year (at least at this moment). His team is extremely underrated, but that doesn't make him worse. Tatum and Siakam don't have worse teammates at all.
Tatum and Siakam aren't on 32-22 teams either so sure they don't have worse teammates, they also don't have worse teams.
There's no way Doncic makes the impact on both ends of the court those two make, they're the best 2 way players in the league outside of LeBron, Kawhi, and Giannis.[/b]
LMAO WHAT!
Perimiter defenders are auto disqualified from being anything more than complimentary pieces defensively.
MyUniBroDavis wrote: he was like YALL PEOPLE WHO DOUBT ME WILL SEE YALLS STATS ARE WRONG I HAVE THE BIG BRAIN PLAYS MUCHO NASTY BIG BRAIN BIG CHUNGUS BRAIN YOU BOYS ON UR BBALL REFERENCE NO UNDERSTANDO
bondom34 wrote:I missed this last year, but thinking so far I'm in the loose top 10 of:
1. Giannis
2-6 in some order: Jokic, Lebron, Kawhi, Harden, Lillard
7-9: Doncic, Butler, Siakam
Guys in the running for 10: Simmons, Davis, Gobert
Colbinii wrote:bondom34 wrote:I missed this last year, but thinking so far I'm in the loose top 10 of:
1. Giannis
2-6 in some order: Jokic, Lebron, Kawhi, Harden, Lillard
7-9: Doncic, Butler, Siakam
Guys in the running for 10: Simmons, Davis, Gobert
I think the tiers right now are...
1: Giannis
2-4: Harden, LeBron and Kawhi
5-6: Jokic, Lillard
7-15: Doncic, Butler, Siakam, Simmons, Gobert, Tatum, Paul, Lowry, Embiid
16-20: Middleton, Graham, Westbrook, Sabonis, Bogdanovic
I have a small gap between the 2nd and 3rd tier.
MyUniBroDavis wrote: he was like YALL PEOPLE WHO DOUBT ME WILL SEE YALLS STATS ARE WRONG I HAVE THE BIG BRAIN PLAYS MUCHO NASTY BIG BRAIN BIG CHUNGUS BRAIN YOU BOYS ON UR BBALL REFERENCE NO UNDERSTANDO
E-Balla wrote:freethedevil wrote:E-Balla wrote:Tatum and Siakam aren't on 32-22 teams either so sure they don't have worse teammates, they also don't have worse teams.
There's no way Doncic makes the impact on both ends of the court those two make, they're the best 2 way players in the league outside of LeBron, Kawhi, and Giannis.[/b]
LMAO WHAT!
Perimiter defenders are auto disqualified from being anything more than complimentary pieces defensively.
Not even engaging with this...