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Post#2001 » by Tortiglioni » Sun May 7, 2017 6:57 pm

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:Why no discussion on Ilimane Diop? Dude's not even ranked on DX, but has top-10 talent.


Maybe at the local YMCA. He isn't even close to 2nd-round talent.

Based on what expert?


Age relative to current skill-level/ACB production. I'm not trying to be a dick, but Diop isn't good (at all). He is 22 (maybe older), playing in his fourth ACB season and is still basically a scrub. He averages close to 6 fouls for every 1 block against Euroleague competition.
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Post#2002 » by Kevin Willis » Sun May 7, 2017 7:14 pm

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Maybe at the local YMCA. He isn't even close to 2nd-round talent.

Based on what expert?


Age relative to current skill-level/ACB production. I'm not trying to be a dick, but Diop isn't good (at all). He is 22 (maybe older), playing in his fourth ACB season and is still basically a scrub. He averages close to 6 fouls for every 1 block against Euroleague competition.


I have to agree, he's not considered a promising prospect in the ACB. He doesn't have a ton of skill. His game is a poor man's Capela but Clint has more skill and discipline. He's not uber athletic. I mean he's African but I can't see any other reason for Masai to put much weight on him. Siakam is also African and a much better player.

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Post#2003 » by BoyzNTheHood » Mon May 8, 2017 12:39 am

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Tortiglioni wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:Based on what expert?


Age relative to current skill-level/ACB production. I'm not trying to be a dick, but Diop isn't good (at all). He is 22 (maybe older), playing in his fourth ACB season and is still basically a scrub. He averages close to 6 fouls for every 1 block against Euroleague competition.


I have to agree, he's not considered a promising prospect in the ACB. He doesn't have a ton of skill. His game is a poor man's Capela but Clint has more skill and discipline. He's not uber athletic. I mean he's African but I can't see any other reason for Masai to put much weight on him. Siakam is also African and a much better player.

BoyzNTheHood reveals gems to this board but I don't see it on this one, especially at our pick.

Fair enough. He looks to have incredible tools, but maybe he's lazy or doesn't understand plays.

He honestly looks like a gem to me, but I can't say I'm knowledgeable about the ACB so I can't really comment further than scouting reports I read for Diop.
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Post#2004 » by CoachJReturns » Mon May 8, 2017 1:21 am

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
Tortiglioni wrote:
Age relative to current skill-level/ACB production. I'm not trying to be a dick, but Diop isn't good (at all). He is 22 (maybe older), playing in his fourth ACB season and is still basically a scrub. He averages close to 6 fouls for every 1 block against Euroleague competition.


I have to agree, he's not considered a promising prospect in the ACB. He doesn't have a ton of skill. His game is a poor man's Capela but Clint has more skill and discipline. He's not uber athletic. I mean he's African but I can't see any other reason for Masai to put much weight on him. Siakam is also African and a much better player.

BoyzNTheHood reveals gems to this board but I don't see it on this one, especially at our pick.

Fair enough. He looks to have incredible tools, but maybe he's lazy or doesn't understand plays.

He honestly looks like a gem to me, but I can't say I'm knowledgeable about the ACB so I can't really comment further than scouting reports I read for Diop.

I don't know much about him either. One thing I took away from that video of him was what it didn't show. It didn't show him doing much of anything apart from dunking. Sometimes that's irrelevant because someone just didn't bother to show any other footage, but I think more often what you don't see in all these youtube videos is very telling. Particularly if you can look at several and keep finding the same things missing. This is the one thing I think I've learned about scouting which I learned before the Bargnani draft. All I saw was highlight reels Bargs shooting 3s and I kept thinking, can't he do anything else? I mean he's 7 feet tall, can't he rebound or block shots? We all know how that turned out. Poor shot blocker and the worst rebounding 7 foot player in the history of the game. I try to always look for what's missing when I come across players I haven't watched in actual games. Guys without footage of shooting, defending, hustling, handling the ball etc. provide a lot of information even though they're just hyping prospects. Again, this is just something I learned and the Bargs lesson was a hard one indeed. Sadly, that's one of the only conclusions I've drawn over the years.

Anyone else have any tips, rules or guidelines they've picked up from reading and watching too many prospects over the years? Or am I the only one without a life? lol.
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Post#2005 » by Troubadour » Mon May 8, 2017 2:49 am

First draft board now that the season is over (anyone higher than 18 on DX gets excluded)

1. Donovan Mitchell
2. Semi Ojeleye
3. Jawun Evans
4. Hamidou Diallo
5. Caleb Swanigan
6. Ivan Rabb
7. Bam Adebayo
8. Sindarius Thornwell
9. Harry Giles
10. Wesley Iwundu
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Post#2006 » by BoyzNTheHood » Mon May 8, 2017 4:07 am

Troubadour wrote:First draft board now that the season is over (anyone higher than 18 on DX gets excluded)

1. Donovan Mitchell
2. Semi Ojeleye
3. Jawun Evans
4. Hamidou Diallo
5. Caleb Swanigan
6. Ivan Rabb
7. Bam Adebayo
8. Sindarius Thornwell
9. Harry Giles
10. Wesley Iwundu


Nice list. I wouldn't be unhappy with any of those picks outside of maybe Thornwell who I think can be had later than 23. I'd go...

1) Justin Jackson (MD)
2) Hamidou Diallo
3) Wesley Iwundu
4) Bam Adebayo
5) Jawun Evans
6) Semi Ojeleye
7) Jordan Bell
8) Caleb Swanigan
9) Moritz Wagner
10) Kyle Kuzma

*Not including anyone ranked above our pick on DX

I honestly believe it'll be hard for Masai to miss in this draft, and that's why we should stock pile picks. The star talent might only be found in a few guys, but I think this is one of those drafts that will fertilize NBA rosters for years. Lots of quality.
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Post#2007 » by Psubs » Mon May 8, 2017 4:49 am

Can they get an early 2nd pick for Bebe and/or Carroll? :D
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Post#2008 » by PhilBlackson » Mon May 8, 2017 7:06 am

Draft board for now...assuming OG is off the board and Mikal Bridges doesn't declare...

1) Isaiah Hartenstein
2) Ike Anigbogu
3) Jawun Evans
4) Donovan Mitchell
5) Jonah Bolden
6) Hamidou Diallo
7) Kyle Kuzma
8) Anzejs Pasecniks

I'd like to try and pick up Peter Jok in the 2nd rd if we can buy a pick.
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Post#2009 » by Fast_Feets » Mon May 8, 2017 1:36 pm

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:Bruhs, another player on Masai watch, credit goes to the draft board:

Jake Wiley, Senior, Eastern Washington



This guy looks promising. Got quick feet and explosiveness. Fast jumper.
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Post#2010 » by CunningLinguist » Mon May 8, 2017 3:51 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Troubadour wrote:First draft board now that the season is over (anyone higher than 18 on DX gets excluded)

1. Donovan Mitchell
2. Semi Ojeleye
3. Jawun Evans
4. Hamidou Diallo
5. Caleb Swanigan
6. Ivan Rabb
7. Bam Adebayo
8. Sindarius Thornwell
9. Harry Giles
10. Wesley Iwundu


Nice list. I wouldn't be unhappy with any of those picks outside of maybe Thornwell who I think can be had later than 23. I'd go...

1) Justin Jackson (MD)
2) Hamidou Diallo
3) Wesley Iwundu
4) Bam Adebayo
5) Jawun Evans
6) Semi Ojeleye
7) Jordan Bell
8) Caleb Swanigan
9) Moritz Wagner
10) Kyle Kuzma

*Not including anyone ranked above our pick on DX

I honestly believe it'll be hard for Masai to miss in this draft, and that's why we should stock pile picks. The star talent might only be found in a few guys, but I think this is one of those drafts that will fertilize NBA rosters for years. Lots of quality.


I see a lot of people listing Hamidou Diallo as one of their top choices at our pick. I'm curious as to why Andrew Jones of Texas is not appearing as an option given that he's only 7 months older than Diallo and has superior ballhandling, passing and shooting ability while having shown something at the college level. He also has the versatility to play either backcourt position while possessing athleticism that's at least the equal of Diallo. Jones still has to work on his shooting and consistency, but I think he's being slept on big time.
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Post#2011 » by notagenius » Mon May 8, 2017 4:07 pm

I like justin jackson (MD).

Versatile player with good size. Is he in this draft?
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Post#2012 » by BoyzNTheHood » Mon May 8, 2017 4:07 pm

CunningLinguist wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Troubadour wrote:First draft board now that the season is over (anyone higher than 18 on DX gets excluded)

1. Donovan Mitchell
2. Semi Ojeleye
3. Jawun Evans
4. Hamidou Diallo
5. Caleb Swanigan
6. Ivan Rabb
7. Bam Adebayo
8. Sindarius Thornwell
9. Harry Giles
10. Wesley Iwundu


Nice list. I wouldn't be unhappy with any of those picks outside of maybe Thornwell who I think can be had later than 23. I'd go...

1) Justin Jackson (MD)
2) Hamidou Diallo
3) Wesley Iwundu
4) Bam Adebayo
5) Jawun Evans
6) Semi Ojeleye
7) Jordan Bell
8) Caleb Swanigan
9) Moritz Wagner
10) Kyle Kuzma

*Not including anyone ranked above our pick on DX

I honestly believe it'll be hard for Masai to miss in this draft, and that's why we should stock pile picks. The star talent might only be found in a few guys, but I think this is one of those drafts that will fertilize NBA rosters for years. Lots of quality.


I see a lot of people listing Hamidou Diallo as one of their top choices at our pick. I'm curious as to why Andrew Jones of Texas is not appearing as an option given that he's only 7 months older than Diallo and has superior ballhandling, passing and shooting ability while having shown something at the college level. He also has the versatility to play either backcourt position while possessing athleticism that's at least the equal of Diallo. Jones still has to work on his shooting and consistency, but I think he's being slept on big time.


I kept tabs on him at Texas, but was left thoroughly unimpressed. He shot 42% from the field and 33% from 3. He didn't really show much in his freshman season. With that said, Diallo is in the same boat except he has that mystery factor. When there's that potential mixed with the unknown it makes for great curiosity. Diallo definitely isn't can't miss, but he has the potential to be great if developed correctly.
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Post#2013 » by PhilBlackson » Mon May 8, 2017 4:29 pm

CunningLinguist wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Troubadour wrote:First draft board now that the season is over (anyone higher than 18 on DX gets excluded)

1. Donovan Mitchell
2. Semi Ojeleye
3. Jawun Evans
4. Hamidou Diallo
5. Caleb Swanigan
6. Ivan Rabb
7. Bam Adebayo
8. Sindarius Thornwell
9. Harry Giles
10. Wesley Iwundu


Nice list. I wouldn't be unhappy with any of those picks outside of maybe Thornwell who I think can be had later than 23. I'd go...

1) Justin Jackson (MD)
2) Hamidou Diallo
3) Wesley Iwundu
4) Bam Adebayo
5) Jawun Evans
6) Semi Ojeleye
7) Jordan Bell
8) Caleb Swanigan
9) Moritz Wagner
10) Kyle Kuzma

*Not including anyone ranked above our pick on DX

I honestly believe it'll be hard for Masai to miss in this draft, and that's why we should stock pile picks. The star talent might only be found in a few guys, but I think this is one of those drafts that will fertilize NBA rosters for years. Lots of quality.


I see a lot of people listing Hamidou Diallo as one of their top choices at our pick. I'm curious as to why Andrew Jones of Texas is not appearing as an option given that he's only 7 months older than Diallo and has superior ballhandling, passing and shooting ability while having shown something at the college level. He also has the versatility to play either backcourt position while possessing athleticism that's at least the equal of Diallo. Jones still has to work on his shooting and consistency, but I think he's being slept on big time.


I only see him in 2018 mocks would be my reason.
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Post#2014 » by CunningLinguist » Mon May 8, 2017 4:40 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
CunningLinguist wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Nice list. I wouldn't be unhappy with any of those picks outside of maybe Thornwell who I think can be had later than 23. I'd go...

1) Justin Jackson (MD)
2) Hamidou Diallo
3) Wesley Iwundu
4) Bam Adebayo
5) Jawun Evans
6) Semi Ojeleye
7) Jordan Bell
8) Caleb Swanigan
9) Moritz Wagner
10) Kyle Kuzma

*Not including anyone ranked above our pick on DX

I honestly believe it'll be hard for Masai to miss in this draft, and that's why we should stock pile picks. The star talent might only be found in a few guys, but I think this is one of those drafts that will fertilize NBA rosters for years. Lots of quality.


I see a lot of people listing Hamidou Diallo as one of their top choices at our pick. I'm curious as to why Andrew Jones of Texas is not appearing as an option given that he's only 7 months older than Diallo and has superior ballhandling, passing and shooting ability while having shown something at the college level. He also has the versatility to play either backcourt position while possessing athleticism that's at least the equal of Diallo. Jones still has to work on his shooting and consistency, but I think he's being slept on big time.


I only see him in 2018 mocks would be my reason.


He has declared for 2017 and he shows up in Chad Ford's mock first round.
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Post#2015 » by BoyzNTheHood » Mon May 8, 2017 4:44 pm

CunningLinguist wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
CunningLinguist wrote:
I see a lot of people listing Hamidou Diallo as one of their top choices at our pick. I'm curious as to why Andrew Jones of Texas is not appearing as an option given that he's only 7 months older than Diallo and has superior ballhandling, passing and shooting ability while having shown something at the college level. He also has the versatility to play either backcourt position while possessing athleticism that's at least the equal of Diallo. Jones still has to work on his shooting and consistency, but I think he's being slept on big time.


I only see him in 2018 mocks would be my reason.


He has declared for 2017 and he shows up in Chad Ford's mock first round.


He's testing the waters for 2017. He hasn't hired an agent.
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Post#2016 » by CunningLinguist » Mon May 8, 2017 4:58 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
CunningLinguist wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Nice list. I wouldn't be unhappy with any of those picks outside of maybe Thornwell who I think can be had later than 23. I'd go...

1) Justin Jackson (MD)
2) Hamidou Diallo
3) Wesley Iwundu
4) Bam Adebayo
5) Jawun Evans
6) Semi Ojeleye
7) Jordan Bell
8) Caleb Swanigan
9) Moritz Wagner
10) Kyle Kuzma

*Not including anyone ranked above our pick on DX

I honestly believe it'll be hard for Masai to miss in this draft, and that's why we should stock pile picks. The star talent might only be found in a few guys, but I think this is one of those drafts that will fertilize NBA rosters for years. Lots of quality.


I see a lot of people listing Hamidou Diallo as one of their top choices at our pick. I'm curious as to why Andrew Jones of Texas is not appearing as an option given that he's only 7 months older than Diallo and has superior ballhandling, passing and shooting ability while having shown something at the college level. He also has the versatility to play either backcourt position while possessing athleticism that's at least the equal of Diallo. Jones still has to work on his shooting and consistency, but I think he's being slept on big time.


I kept tabs on him at Texas, but was left thoroughly unimpressed. He shot 42% from the field and 33% from 3. He didn't really show much in his freshman season. With that said, Diallo is in the same boat except he has that mystery factor. When there's that potential mixed with the unknown it makes for great curiosity. Diallo definitely isn't can't miss, but he has the potential to be great if developed correctly.


I guess I don't see what makes Diallo a better prospect given that his ballhandling and shooting are rudimentary at best. He might be a bit undersized too. I've seen him listed at 6-6. I think three inches of that must be hair.
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Post#2017 » by BoyzNTheHood » Mon May 8, 2017 5:01 pm

CunningLinguist wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
CunningLinguist wrote:
I see a lot of people listing Hamidou Diallo as one of their top choices at our pick. I'm curious as to why Andrew Jones of Texas is not appearing as an option given that he's only 7 months older than Diallo and has superior ballhandling, passing and shooting ability while having shown something at the college level. He also has the versatility to play either backcourt position while possessing athleticism that's at least the equal of Diallo. Jones still has to work on his shooting and consistency, but I think he's being slept on big time.


I kept tabs on him at Texas, but was left thoroughly unimpressed. He shot 42% from the field and 33% from 3. He didn't really show much in his freshman season. With that said, Diallo is in the same boat except he has that mystery factor. When there's that potential mixed with the unknown it makes for great curiosity. Diallo definitely isn't can't miss, but he has the potential to be great if developed correctly.


I guess I don't see what makes Diallo a better prospect given that his ballhandling and shooting are rudimentary at best. He might be a bit undersized too. I've seen him listed at 6-6. I think three inches of that must be hair.

I told you, mystery is a big key to Diallo right now. With that said, he has better tools than Jones, is younger, and is a 5 star prospect whereas Jones was a 4 star.
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Post#2018 » by CunningLinguist » Mon May 8, 2017 5:03 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
CunningLinguist wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
I kept tabs on him at Texas, but was left thoroughly unimpressed. He shot 42% from the field and 33% from 3. He didn't really show much in his freshman season. With that said, Diallo is in the same boat except he has that mystery factor. When there's that potential mixed with the unknown it makes for great curiosity. Diallo definitely isn't can't miss, but he has the potential to be great if developed correctly.


I guess I don't see what makes Diallo a better prospect given that his ballhandling and shooting are rudimentary at best. He might be a bit undersized too. I've seen him listed at 6-6. I think three inches of that must be hair.

I told you, mystery is a big key to Diallo right now. With that said, he has better tools than Jones, is younger, and is a 5 star prospect whereas Jones was a 4 star.


Which tools do you think he has that are superior?
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Post#2019 » by BoyzNTheHood » Mon May 8, 2017 5:09 pm

CunningLinguist wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
CunningLinguist wrote:
I guess I don't see what makes Diallo a better prospect given that his ballhandling and shooting are rudimentary at best. He might be a bit undersized too. I've seen him listed at 6-6. I think three inches of that must be hair.

I told you, mystery is a big key to Diallo right now. With that said, he has better tools than Jones, is younger, and is a 5 star prospect whereas Jones was a 4 star.


Which tools do you think he has that are superior?


-Height
-Length
-Size to be a combo guard
-Athleticism
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Post#2020 » by CunningLinguist » Mon May 8, 2017 5:31 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
CunningLinguist wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:I told you, mystery is a big key to Diallo right now. With that said, he has better tools than Jones, is younger, and is a 5 star prospect whereas Jones was a 4 star.


Which tools do you think he has that are superior?


-Height
-Length
-Size to be a combo guard
-Athleticism


In terms of height, Diallo may be a bit taller, but he doesn't appear 6-6 to me. I haven't seen any measurements of Jones to compare to Diallo, but he looks pretty long. Diallo may have the size to play either guard position but I don't see him having the ballhandling or passing skills to play the point. I don't see Diallo's athleticism as other worldy. I'd compare him to Demar in that regard.

Maybe he's worked on his skills over the past year, but just going on what I've seen from high school, he has a long way to go. (That's not to say Jones doesn't). In regard to Jones' .425 shooting percentage, you have to keep in mind that 45% of his shots were from three, bringing his overall percentages down. He certainly has to improve in that regard though.

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