MeloDrama Part V

[suicidedeuce]

The reason that you don't give Anthony the no-trade is because it significantly reduces management's flexability going forward. At some point people have to decide if they root for a player (like Chitown or MoneyMitch) or they root for a team. I root fot the team. I want our management to have maximum flexibility going forward - especially if Anthony does not buy into the triangle or prove an ideal fit within Jackson's scheme.

I'd LIKE Melo to sign without a no-trade clause

I'd LIKE his 5th season to be a team option.

I'd LIKE his starting salary to be well below his max.

ALL of these things would be beneficial to the Knicks.

But there is a market for NBA free agents that common sense dictates teams don't get to sign players to ideal scenarios, and players have leverage to demand beneficial to them and not to the team.

It seems we'd all find easy, uncontested common ground as to what we WANT.

The question to me seems what can a player demand and what is or is not a dealbreaker. Which of these clauses are you willing to let a player walk to another team over.

[KnicksManiac]

So far, we're paying Phil, Fisher, and Rambis. $18.2 million per season. The rest of the coaching hires will bring it to $20+ million. I say we give Melo a contract starting at that amount.

[Workforce250]

Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley 48s

Phil Jackson on hiring Rambis to coach with Fisher: "“The three of us are similar in our philosophies and our approach to the game.”

stop bullsh*tting phil, nobody cares about signing this motherf*cker right now

[Bob Ross]

Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 1m

#Knicks have officially named Kurt Rambis associate head coach to Derek Fisher. We reported got generous offer - $1.2M per.

well damn, it pays to be phil's friend

What this mean though?

I'd like to know too. It's been being handed out lately. Is it just an ego stroke? Other Associate Head coaches are Ewing and Lue. Did they basically make up a title to satisfy some folks/justify paying them more?

[F N 11]

This is worst than 2010

[god shammgod]

Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman 1m

#Knicks have officially named Kurt Rambis associate head coach to Derek Fisher. We reported got generous offer - $1.2M per.

well damn, it pays to be phil's friend

What this mean though?

I'd like to know too. It's been being handed out lately. Is it just an ego stroke? Other Associate Head coaches are Ewing and Lue. Did they basically make up a title to satisfy some folks/justify paying them more?

we have a winner. now excuse me while my executive assistant gets me another cup of cold milk.

[Greenie]

So CP3 is crap as well right? Same with Kevin Love? Lamarcus Aldridge? Crap? Wait...let me guess...they have excuses?

I never called any of them franchise players either

So what we should do is either only sign Lebron James or Kevin Durant OR not sign anyone else to the max they can get from someone else? So what are your expectations for Shumpert and Hardaway again? Who besides Lebron and Durant are franchise players then?

I've been asking this for a while now.
If you want to be real Durant ain't that dude either.

[LJ4pointplay]

According to Coon's FAQ, no trade clauses are only allowed if the player played for the team for four seasons. Melo has played for us for three full seasons, and one partial season. I am unsure whether the four seasons means four full seasons and I am unable to look through the language in the actual CBA right now. Maybe someone else will feel so inclined though.

Just about to make the same point. He does not have a full four years with the team - so he shouldn't qualify.

Kosmo and Moo explained it. If you are interested though, I had a minute and looked up the specific provisions. Article XXIV,(ii). As Kosmo explained, the provision refers to years of service NOT seasons (unlike Coon's FAQ). Years of Service is a defined term in the CBA, and only have to play for one regular season game IIRC.

However, years of service is determined on June 30th following the season, and the term isn't defined in the context of credit towards specific teams but rather toward the league in general (the language could have been drafted better). So I guess ambiguity could arise regarding whether a player should be credited with years of service to multiple teams in the same season for the no-trade clause provision or even other purposes(as was also pointed out by I believe Moo- bird rights attach to specific teams through partial years). This might be dealt where elsewhere in the CBA, might have been answered through custom/past dealings, and/or I might have overlooked it being mentioned in the provisions I referred to.

Anyway, the fact that it is determined on June 30th might imply, IF only credited toward one team (which probably isn''t the case), it is the last team played for during that season.

[kosmovitelli]

The reason that you don't give Anthony the no-trade is because it significantly reduces management's flexability going forward. At some point people have to decide if they root for a player (like Chitown or MoneyMitch) or they root for a team. I root fot the team. I want our management to have maximum flexibility going forward - especially if Anthony does not buy into the triangle or prove an ideal fit within Jackson's scheme.

Yep. It's a moot point anyway. Melo can have a no-trade clause in Chicago or LA. If you don't give him a no-trade clause, I doubt it will have an impact on his decision.

If he told the team, he wants to stay but he wants a no-trade clause, you just call the bluff. It's just an ego thing.

Just like he exercised his right to become a free agent (despite the fact it made more sense for the team if he oped in), the team should remain in position to exercise its right to trade Melo if there's an offer they like on the market and they want to go in a different direction (even if Melo would rather stay in NY). If Melo wants full control of his future then he can just sign a shorter contract. One or two years.

[EricAnderson]

So CP3 is crap as well right? Same with Kevin Love? Lamarcus Aldridge? Crap? Wait...let me guess...they have excuses?

I never called any of them franchise players either

So what we should do is either only sign Lebron James or Kevin Durant OR not sign anyone else to the max they can get from someone else? So what are your expectations for Shumpert and Hardaway again? Who besides Lebron and Durant are franchise players then?

I agree they'res Not many but it doesn't mean u pay a guy just because of that reason..I'd rather rebuild bottom out get a high pick next year and move forward with a tremendous amount of cap space and flexibility going forward..

Melos been in the league 11 years we've seen this movie before he is who he is..and best case scenario teaming him up with say a Marc Gasol in a year isn't winning us a title either

[god shammgod]

I never called any of them franchise players either

So what we should do is either only sign Lebron James or Kevin Durant OR not sign anyone else to the max they can get from someone else? So what are your expectations for Shumpert and Hardaway again? Who besides Lebron and Durant are franchise players then?

I agree they'res Not many but it doesn't mean u pay a guy just because of that reason..I'd rather rebuild bottom out get a high pick next year and move forward with a tremendous amount of cap space and flexibility going forward..

Melos been in the league 11 years we've seen this movie before he is who he is..and best case scenario teaming him up with say a Marc gasoli in a year isn't winning us a title either

uh oh, my computer gonna be mad at you

[moocow007]

I don't remember what other teams were on that list, but I remember seeing a list of teams printed in the paper during that month before the trade. I don't remember what the league was like or who else was good; I
really only cared about the Atlantic Division. If I remember correctly though, it wasn't a really short list. Like 8 teams or something

Yep that was what I recall. I just recall that there were rumors about Portland being interested and offering up a package that probably would have ended up being better for the Knicks in the long run (included a young Jermaine Oneal).

Man, what could have been. I was a sophmore in high school when it all went down and with my young, naive mind, I still thought the return on that trade was complete crap right from the get go. Then it only got worse when Rice was traded. I've always been of the opinion that NBA guys that run teams are infinitely smarter and have more vision than I as a fan, but christ those where horrendous moves and everyone knew it.

Sorry for going off topic

Not at all, its great to rehash. I think i was just finishing collegeat the time. I didnt like that trade either. I remember watching Rice with the Lakers and thinking "those knees cant hold up much longer"...and Rice was the best player they got back. And yep it got even worse when they then traded Rice.

[knicks210]

Melo drama VI ?!?

[LJ4pointplay]

People are waiting around on pins and needles for a guy who didn't even make the playoffs last year this isn't bron who changes the balance of power and automatically makes u a contender..I don't see why if he left anyone would be that crushed he's not Ewing or anything who had us win 50 plus every year if he leaves you'll get over it

He' made the playoffs 10 out of 11 seasons in the league...

Thats not an accomplishment more then half the teams make the playoffs every year

Well I was replying to the statement that he didn't make the playoffs alst year. What about the previous 10?

Also, what percentage of teams have made the playoffs 10 out of the last 11 years? The Spurs? Maybe the Heat??? Maybe the Nuggets BECAUSE of Melo? is that it? Maybe I am missing one or two..

[F N 11]

Lets just hope Rambis doesnt try to take over the team.

[god shammgod]

Melo drama VI ?!?

when you're on sequel number 6 you know it's gonna suck. except for the friday the 13th movies, they got better in the middle. it's weird.

[Tron Carter]

melo drama party VI

[EricAnderson]

He' made the playoffs 10 out of 11 seasons in the league...

Thats not an accomplishment more then half the teams make the playoffs every year

Well I was replying to the statement that he didn't make the playoffs alst year. What about the previous 10?

Also, what percentage of teams have made the playoffs 10 out of the last 11 years? The Spurs? Maybe the Heat??? Maybe the Nuggets BECAUSE of Melo? is that it? Maybe I am missing one or two..

You can't win a title by yourself but in the early rounds of the playoffs teams with the best player usually win a lot so not even making the 2nd round all those yeArs is hard to do if you're a so called franchise player

[HighRyzer83]

I am wondering why Melo hasn't signed yet. If he wants to come back to NY, he knows what Phil is all about and has supposedly been offered a max contract. I'm starting to think that he is delaying his decision so he can either end up in Miami with Lebron or in Chicago. It seems to me that he is using the LA max story to put off his signing. I'm not saying that he won't end up back in NY if Lebron goes to Cleveland or if Chicago can't get him his max contract, but if he really wanted to sign in NY, then what is he waiting for?

Melo said it best when he said he planned to opt out and wanted to be a free agent. He wanted that experience, he wanted to be courted, wined and dined, etc. It's obviously an ego thing. The guy wanted to know how much he's worth and how many teams would go hard after him. There was no reason for him to accept a max offer as soon as it was tendered by Phil Jackson and Jimmy Dolan. It seems he's been waiting for that kind of experience for a long time so he will enjoy every minute of it !

In that interview, he also hinted winning a title wasn't essential for him.

It's inevitable he will accept the max contract offer from the Knicks. He will take the money and think about winning later ! It's just a matter of time.

The Importance of Being Melo

He's (Still) the Best Ballplayer in Town, but Will He Stick Around?

By Rafi Kohan | 10/15/13 8:45pm

To hear Anthony tell it, coming to the Knicks has always been part of a long-term plan. Upon arrival, he knew the depleted lineup—a result of the February 2011 deal that brought him to town—would take time to reassemble, and then there was the matter of adjusting to life in New York.

Anthony is clear he expects to win a title. “I feel like I’m going to get one, this year, next year. I still got a long time in this league,” he says. But even if he doesn’t, Anthony rejects the semantics that one has to win to be a winner. “Barkley, Ewing, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Reggie Miller—you mean to tell me they’re not great? Yeah, a championship validates that. But these guys are great.”

That attitude may actually prove good news for the home team, since it’s possible the Knicks will finish in the lower half of playoff qualifiers in the now-stacked Eastern Conference, and, as Howard Beck recently wrote in The Times, Anthony’s decision next summer may come down to staying in New York versus winning elsewhere.

“I want to be a free agent,” Anthony tells me, as our cigars burn close to the nub. “I think everybody in the NBA dreams to be a free agent at least one time in their career. It’s like you have an evaluation period, you know. It’s like if I’m in the gym and I have all the coaches, all the owners, all the GMs come into the gym and just evaluate everything I do. So yes, I want that experience.”

Take a breath, Knicks fans. That doesn’t mean he’s leaving.

“I came to New York for a reason,” Anthony adds. “I’ve been with you all my life, almost to a fault. I wanted to come here and take on the pressures of playing in New York. So one thing I would tell my fans: If you haven’t heard it from me, then it ain’t true.”

http://observer.com/2013/10/the-importa ... eing-melo/

I agree that its a ego thing. The simplest explanations typically make more sense, he always been a checkers player. I just think it get be very interesting if Phil pulls the max off the table. It would be a nice little counter move in chess game.

[KnicksManiac]

Melo drama VI ?!?

These usually end soon after 100 pages so...


MeloDrama VI here: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1333029