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Post#2041 » by sbsat » Mon Nov 13, 2023 4:27 am

Loso04 wrote:Warriors have no consistent scores outside of Steph


The warriors have seemingly missed on wiseman, moody amd kuminga. The latter two arent bad players but they arent progressing like im sure the warriors expected
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Post#2042 » by Los_29 » Mon Nov 13, 2023 4:48 am

Tha Cynic wrote:People are going to be in for a major surprise after 82 games are done lol. So many comments in here with such absolutes.

I picked Sengun as the guy who will be the second best player in this draft behind Barnes when it's all said and done. Glad to see he's being utilized more in the offense. He will drive that offense as the main hub one day.

Maxey is playing way better than I expected him to. He is singlehandedly raising the Sixers' ceiling. They also got some solid talent as support players in that Harden trade. The Sixers vs Celtics dynamic should be interesting. The Celtics have a more stacked team but the Sixers have much better star power imo.


Fred has played a key role in Sengun’s success thus far.

How do the Sixers have more star power? Tatum and Brown are an elite duo and have had far more success in the playoffs than Embiid has.
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Post#2043 » by TheRealDeal » Mon Nov 13, 2023 4:59 am

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TheAlchemist23 wrote:Nick and Fred prospering after the divorce while we're still incredibly mid

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At least we’re not the Clippers. Imagine the pain knowing you traded SGA & an army of draft picks just for this to happen

I'd rather be them. Steve Ballmer and Los Angeles location gives the Clippers the ability to lure top free agents whenever they have cap space. On the other hand, we have to get incredibly lucky drafting (coupled with the fact Rogers/Bell will never let us tank for blue chip prospects whenever the potential to fill arenas exists) and trading. And we're on the verge of overpaying our mid stars or losing them for nothing.


I’d rather be in their position too…just saying their roster blunders would be really tough to swallow right now as a fan

Those issues have always been present for the Raptors. Didn’t stop us from winning a championship. That’s part of the “fun” of being a Raps fan

Masai made things so good for so long I feel like people have started to forget
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Post#2044 » by ___Rand___ » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:01 am

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“Honestly, this is more attractive than a lot of the mid-level teams that kind of have that ceiling, that five-seed ceiling … I’d rather start with the young core group and try to build something great here.”

That sounds exactly why Ime would pass on us lol. Why tf would he come to a team that hasn’t chosen a solid direction yet. :lol:


Fam, put on your thinking cap instead of talking with your ego being entrenched to a position.

Udoka didn't have to mention ANY OTHER TEAM at that introduction press conference for Rockets. New coaches always talks about THEIR TEAM and what gems they have and what the work is going to be. Not another team. But here he is refering to Raptors.

Rockets roster has tons of holes. They got an under-sized center. They got a shooting guard who can't defend and has been pretty inconsistent. they got a slow shrimp for a point guard. The expectation for Rockets coming into the season was lottery. None of their young players have a superstar ceiling. Not Sengun, not Smith. If you were a coach you'd rather take bottom-dweller or a play-in team with an all-NBA player and a defensive DPOY candidate and ROTY? Get serious.


You're putting on your homer glasses and aren't seeing this objectively. If most of us think this is a treadmill team, wtf you do think the coaches are saying lol.

Why would a coach with pedigree want to a coach a team that has so much potential turmoil. OG and Siakam are both UFA's at the end of the season. We have no meaningful prospects outside of Scottie. We're in a literal a state of flux.

We're not an attractive organization.


What TURMOIL? There is NO TURMOIL. This is no drama here. There is not an ownership with cash flow issues like Rockets. There is not a coach who was under cloud of sexual misconduct. If you think UFAs are a problem and causing you sleeplessness then you need to take medication. Every team has to look at UFAs at some point. It's part of the business and every NBA coach knows this. An NBA coach who won't take one of the highest paying jobs for basketball coaching in the world because "oh this team has UFAs" is a moron.


Stop shytting on your own team. This is the kind of negative self-talk that's what's shameful about Raptors fan base. This is the 2nd winningest team in the league in the last 10 years. We are going through a rebuild, a transition period. And you think the tight-fisted Fertitta's organization is better run? Stop projecting yourself onto your team. It's more a reflection of you than who the organization is.
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Post#2045 » by WaltFrazier » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:17 am

Grizz coach went all in criticizing refs the other night. Very satisfying rant. Sorry if already posted

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Post#2046 » by WaltFrazier » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:37 am

Basketball_Jones wrote:We all knew Maxeys potential. He’s just doing what he does to us against every team now


We didn't all know. Some here, or one in particular, called him overrated, a dime a dozen guard.
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Post#2047 » by WaltFrazier » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:49 am

Andrew Wiggins scoring slump. GSW may look to replace him:

https://bluemanhoop.com/2023/11/12/golden-state-warriors-7-wiggins-trades/8/

7 guys suggested as replacements, OG and Pascal 2 of the 7.
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Post#2048 » by ForeverTFC » Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:07 am

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AbC? wrote:OKC gotta clear up some usage for Jalen Williams man. Too much talent on that team.

They need to offload Josh Middey. OG would be such a perfect fit


Giddey and Scottie is a scary duo in a bad way lol.


**** it. Let's build the worst 3 point shooting team of all time.
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Post#2049 » by HumbleRen » Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:10 am

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Fam, put on your thinking cap instead of talking with your ego being entrenched to a position.

Udoka didn't have to mention ANY OTHER TEAM at that introduction press conference for Rockets. New coaches always talks about THEIR TEAM and what gems they have and what the work is going to be. Not another team. But here he is refering to Raptors.

Rockets roster has tons of holes. They got an under-sized center. They got a shooting guard who can't defend and has been pretty inconsistent. they got a slow shrimp for a point guard. The expectation for Rockets coming into the season was lottery. None of their young players have a superstar ceiling. Not Sengun, not Smith. If you were a coach you'd rather take bottom-dweller or a play-in team with an all-NBA player and a defensive DPOY candidate and ROTY? Get serious.


You're putting on your homer glasses and aren't seeing this objectively. If most of us think this is a treadmill team, wtf you do think the coaches are saying lol.

Why would a coach with pedigree want to a coach a team that has so much potential turmoil. OG and Siakam are both UFA's at the end of the season. We have no meaningful prospects outside of Scottie. We're in a literal a state of flux.

We're not an attractive organization.


What TURMOIL? There is NO TURMOIL. This is no drama here. There is not an ownership with cash flow issues like Rockets. There is not a coach who was under cloud of sexual misconduct. If you think UFAs are a problem and causing you sleeplessness then you need to take medication. Every team has to look at UFAs at some point. It's part of the business and every NBA coach knows this. An NBA coach who won't take one of the highest paying jobs for basketball coaching in the world because "oh this team has UFAs" is a moron.


Stop shytting on your own team. This is the kind of negative self-talk that's what's shameful about Raptors fan base. This is the 2nd winningest team in the league in the last 10 years. We are going through a rebuild, a transition period. And you think the tight-fisted Fertitta's organization is better run? Stop projecting yourself onto your team. It's more a reflection of you than who the organization is.


I think you’re being dishonest with yourself about this team lol.

Turmoil: a state of great disturbance, confusion, or uncertainty:

I’m sorry but Raptors absolutely fit that bill. We’re not rebuilding, we are currently evaluating a mediocre roster for the 2nd year in a row but instead of FVV being an ufa at the end of the year, it’s Siakam. If we were rebuilding, Siakam would have been traded in the summer and we wouldn’t have traded for Poeltl at the deadline.

Again, let me repeat. Udoka chose the Rockets BEFORE the Raptors even got started on their coaching search. So I’m sorry, I know you want to think this organization is the crème of le crème and that we have our pick of the litter when it comes to coaches and players but we’re not, we’ve never been that even at our best.
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Post#2050 » by HumbleRen » Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:11 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
AbC? wrote:OKC gotta clear up some usage for Jalen Williams man. Too much talent on that team.

They need to offload Josh Middey. OG would be such a perfect fit


Giddey and Scottie is a scary duo in a bad way lol.


**** it. Let's build the worst 3 point shooting team of all time.


We already did last year. :lol: :cry:
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Post#2051 » by Basketball_Jones » Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:38 am

WaltFrazier wrote:
Basketball_Jones wrote:We all knew Maxeys potential. He’s just doing what he does to us against every team now


We didn't all know. Some here, or one in particular, called him overrated, a dime a dozen guard.


Yeah lol he really has something against him. I kind of hate him too because he’s so freakin good and I hate the Sixers
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Post#2052 » by AbC? » Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:44 am

HumbleRen wrote:
AbC? wrote:OKC gotta clear up some usage for Jalen Williams man. Too much talent on that team.

They need to offload Josh Middey. OG would be such a perfect fit


Giddey and Scottie is a scary duo in a bad way lol.


Oh I wasn’t advocating for that lol, OKC should go after og in free agency. Scottie and Giddey would be terrible
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Post#2053 » by Dirk » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:50 am

JV was like "whatever"

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Post#2054 » by ATLTimekeeper » Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:30 pm

OKC trading the pick that became Sengun seems like it could come back to bite them.
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Post#2055 » by sbsat » Mon Nov 13, 2023 1:21 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:OKC trading the pick that became Sengun seems like it could come back to bite them.
Okc has to shed picks they have too many. Really they should be active this deadline to make a proper run
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Post#2056 » by HumbleRen » Mon Nov 13, 2023 1:22 pm



I know Nick Nurse is thanking the gods he got a guard like Maxey after dealing with the rotation of FVV/Flynn/ArmaniBrooks/WillBarton.

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Post#2057 » by MiamiSPX » Mon Nov 13, 2023 1:27 pm

Those are going to be some uncomfortable contract negotiations between Klay and GS, both in terms of money and his role going forward.
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Post#2058 » by HumbleRen » Mon Nov 13, 2023 1:29 pm

MiamiSPX wrote:Those are going to be some uncomfortable contract negotiations between Klay and GS, both in terms of money and his role going forward.


He's not getting the max that he wants, that's all I know lol.
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Post#2059 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:03 pm

No reason Wolves cant finish top 3 in the West
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Post#2060 » by NotMyKawhi » Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:23 pm

Are we ready to admit, MU was the problem, not FVV....

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