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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#221 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue May 30, 2017 12:17 am

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Baddy Chuck wrote:One guy I keep coming back to is OG Anunoby. Assuming healthy, his floor seems like MKG or something. Prime :lift: crew nominee.


I've been too scared to ask, but what does the lift emoji mean? Is it some inside joke? I see you use it for Cousins and a few other players.

There's 2 rules to :lift: crew.

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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#222 » by Matches Malone » Tue May 30, 2017 12:26 am

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Matches Malone wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:One guy I keep coming back to is OG Anunoby. Assuming healthy, his floor seems like MKG or something. Prime :lift: crew nominee.


I've been too scared to ask, but what does the lift emoji mean? Is it some inside joke? I see you use it for Cousins and a few other players.

There's 2 rules to :lift: crew.

1. You don't divulge the inner workings of :lift:
2. Andrew Bogut is never allowed in


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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#223 » by Ill-yasova » Tue May 30, 2017 12:39 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:One guy I keep coming back to is OG Anunoby. Assuming healthy, his floor seems like MKG or something. Prime :lift: crew nominee.

I had already resigned myself to him being gone before we pick. I'd love it too, but I don't want to get my hopes up.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#224 » by Pachinko_ » Tue May 30, 2017 12:54 am

sdn40 wrote:NBA projections are scary impossible ...

They are, I mean we can't even agree on ranking players who have been in the NBA for 10 years :lol:

To me with this group of 19 year olds, excluding maybe the top-3, talent is almost secondary, they all have talent but none of them will play in the NBA on talent alone. What will ultimately make the difference for them is personality and opportunity. And you can't really tell much about their personality until you sit them in an interview, ask a couple of behavioral questions, talk to people who know them, figure out what drives them and how they are thinking, and imagine how they would react to your specific team environment. Ie all the things we don't have access to LOL

A year ago Brogdon was almost written off by all draft experts based on his talent and Thon was considered dodgy at best. Personality and opportunity made the difference for them.

Hartenstein has some aspects to his game that are terrible but not entirely unfixable, and he seems like a sane person who will respond well to the Bucks-y development style. Just a gut feel (I might be 100% wrong). I'm sure there are more like him, I just happened to look into him the most.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#225 » by Gam » Tue May 30, 2017 1:16 am

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Baddy Chuck wrote:One guy I keep coming back to is OG Anunoby. Assuming healthy, his floor seems like MKG or something. Prime :lift: crew nominee.

I had already resigned myself to him being gone before we pick. I'd love it too, but I don't want to get my hopes up.

Same goes for Mitchell for me.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#226 » by Jimmmycrackcorn » Tue May 30, 2017 2:21 am

Am I crazy for thinking Jordan Bell is exactly the type of muscle this team needs defensively?

He's a bit like the anti-Jabari....a LOW usage 4 who doesn't dribble around and try to create his own shot, all the while being a perfect defender for this switch-heavy system the Bucks continue to run?

reminds me defensively of Dray....but is very offensively limited (other than his pick-n-roll game).
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#227 » by Ill-yasova » Tue May 30, 2017 3:21 am

Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:Am I crazy for thinking Jordan Bell is exactly the type of muscle this team needs defensively?

He's a bit like the anti-Jabari....a LOW usage 4 who doesn't dribble around and try to create his own shot, all the while being a perfect defender for this switch-heavy system the Bucks continue to run?

reminds me defensively of Dray....but is very offensively limited (other than his pick-n-roll game).

I love his game, but not at 17. I know I've been saying that trading down will be close to impossible, but trading down and getting Bell would be a major victory.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#228 » by RiotPunch » Tue May 30, 2017 4:54 am

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Hartenstein just turned 19, he played one year pro in Lithuania, he has build his body perfectly, he is a 7 ft mobile big with potential to hit 3s ... what did you expect ? His age is perfect for our future.

In my opinion Hartenstein is the 3rd best Center of this draft after Markannen and Zach Collins.
#48 draft a guard ... I am expecting to sign many undrafted players too, in no guaranteed contracts, like Houston did last year.

I get that you want a guard but can't understand your rejection with the plan to adjust our "C rotation" for many years with #17.

I'm skeptical of Hartenstein's ability to shoot the NBA 3. That's where I lean Jeanne, because he has a super smooth stroke from deep, in addition to his freakish length and desire to add weight and be physical. I'd prefer to trade back, or jump back into the 1st to land Derrick White as well. He's a guy that can create offense, shoot the three, facilitate and play solid D. I like the blueprint from last year of grabbing a guy dripping with potential early and then adding straight up ball players after.

I don't see a wing prospect with the potential of Jeanne in our range. Are we at a point where we just take a role player wing at 17? Who would it be? Ojeleye? Justin Jackson? I'd rather walk away with Jeanne, White and whoever falls to 48 between Dorsey, Mason, Iwundu, Bolden. 1 swing for the fences pick and two immediate contributors.


Isn't Jeanne a 50 percent free throw shooter? That didn't scream super smooth stroke.


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I mean, it's hard to judge him by statistics, as he only played 13 MPG and barely even got to the line. But yeah, that is certainly a cause for concern. However, you can see how pure his shot is in some of these workout videos. I know they can make anyone look good as a shooter, but he seems to really knock em down, and the form looks very good to me, especially compared to Hartenstein's knuckleball 3.

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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#229 » by RiotPunch » Tue May 30, 2017 5:00 am

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RiotPunch wrote:I'm skeptical of Hartenstein's ability to shoot the NBA 3. That's where I lean Jeanne, because he has a super smooth stroke from deep, in addition to his freakish length and desire to add weight and be physical. I'd prefer to trade back, or jump back into the 1st to land Derrick White as well. He's a guy that can create offense, shoot the three, facilitate and play solid D. I like the blueprint from last year of grabbing a guy dripping with potential early and then adding straight up ball players after.

I don't see a wing prospect with the potential of Jeanne in our range. Are we at a point where we just take a role player wing at 17? Who would it be? Ojeleye? Justin Jackson? I'd rather walk away with Jeanne, White and whoever falls to 48 between Dorsey, Mason, Iwundu, Bolden. 1 swing for the fences pick and two immediate contributors.


Serious question
Are we really to the point in the NBA draft process where a so called deep deep draft is void of starter caliber shooters and creators by pick 17 ?
I know the one and dones make everything watered down and harder to project, and there is a reason why the draft is only 2 rounds, and I am certainly not a draftnik, but considering the main object of the game is to put the ball in the hoop, that kind of blows my mind


There are certainly guys who can put the ball in the basket in our range, it's a matter of translation and athletic ability. Frank Jackson has that offensive skill-set paired with elite athleticism--I'd be 100% behind that pick. Hell, I'd be cool with Derrick White at 17. A guy like Kennard I'd be nervous about. Elite shot maker, but does his game work at the next level? Does he play D?

Matter of preference, but I'd rather shoot for the moon than grab a guy with an elite skill and a lower ceiling.
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Post#230 » by Prez » Tue May 30, 2017 5:02 am

Have this annoying feeling Jason Smith is going to be the Myles Turner of this draft, another super talented but under appreciated big who will be just a bit out of our range. I wish we could trade up for him but the only pieces that'd do it are the pieces I have no interest in trading.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#231 » by RiotPunch » Tue May 30, 2017 5:05 am

Prez wrote:Have this annoying feeling Jason Smith is going to be the Myles Turner of this draft, another super talented big who is a bit underappreciated will be just a bit out of our range. I wish we could trade up for him but the only pieces that'd do it are the pieces I have no interest in trading.

I'm hoping he falls just within enough reach of trading 17 and a future 1st to move up. Definitely not gonna happen, but crazier things have happened.
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Post#232 » by Gam » Tue May 30, 2017 5:12 am

Prez wrote:Have this annoying feeling Jason Smith is going to be the Myles Turner of this draft, another super talented but under appreciated big who will be just a bit out of our range. I wish we could trade up for him but the only pieces that'd do it are the pieces I have no interest in trading.


Yeah, Joe Alexander could end up being a real steal.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#233 » by Prez » Tue May 30, 2017 5:20 am

RiotPunch wrote:
Prez wrote:Have this annoying feeling Jason Smith is going to be the Myles Turner of this draft, another super talented big who is a bit underappreciated will be just a bit out of our range. I wish we could trade up for him but the only pieces that'd do it are the pieces I have no interest in trading.

I'm hoping he falls just within enough reach of trading 17 and a future 1st to move up. Definitely not gonna happen, but crazier things have happened.

I'd def give up another 1st for him. Problem is he's the type of talent who you get him in a gym for individual workouts and he could put on an absolute show. Like a lesser version of the "oh ****" moment when teams saw Porzingis work out. He might slip a bit but some team is going to fall in love with his skill set and it'll be extremely tough to convince them to trade him away.
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Post#234 » by JEIS » Tue May 30, 2017 5:27 am

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RiotPunch wrote:I'm skeptical of Hartenstein's ability to shoot the NBA 3. That's where I lean Jeanne, because he has a super smooth stroke from deep, in addition to his freakish length and desire to add weight and be physical. I'd prefer to trade back, or jump back into the 1st to land Derrick White as well. He's a guy that can create offense, shoot the three, facilitate and play solid D. I like the blueprint from last year of grabbing a guy dripping with potential early and then adding straight up ball players after.

I don't see a wing prospect with the potential of Jeanne in our range. Are we at a point where we just take a role player wing at 17? Who would it be? Ojeleye? Justin Jackson? I'd rather walk away with Jeanne, White and whoever falls to 48 between Dorsey, Mason, Iwundu, Bolden. 1 swing for the fences pick and two immediate contributors.


Isn't Jeanne a 50 percent free throw shooter? That didn't scream super smooth stroke.


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I mean, it's hard to judge him by statistics, as he only played 13 MPG and barely even got to the line. But yeah, that is certainly a cause for concern. However, you can see how pure his shot is in some of these workout videos. I know they can make anyone look good as a shooter, but he seems to really knock em down, and the form looks very good to me, especially compared to Hartenstein's knuckleball 3.



He is about as Hammond of a draft pick that you can get.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#235 » by RiotPunch » Tue May 30, 2017 5:42 am

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RiotPunch wrote:
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Isn't Jeanne a 50 percent free throw shooter? That didn't scream super smooth stroke.


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I mean, it's hard to judge him by statistics, as he only played 13 MPG and barely even got to the line. But yeah, that is certainly a cause for concern. However, you can see how pure his shot is in some of these workout videos. I know they can make anyone look good as a shooter, but he seems to really knock em down, and the form looks very good to me, especially compared to Hartenstein's knuckleball 3.



He is about as Hammond of a draft pick that you can get.

Yeah, that's probably true, doesn't make him a bad draft pick.
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Re: 2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3 

Post#236 » by RiotPunch » Tue May 30, 2017 5:43 am

Prez wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
Prez wrote:Have this annoying feeling Jason Smith is going to be the Myles Turner of this draft, another super talented big who is a bit underappreciated will be just a bit out of our range. I wish we could trade up for him but the only pieces that'd do it are the pieces I have no interest in trading.

I'm hoping he falls just within enough reach of trading 17 and a future 1st to move up. Definitely not gonna happen, but crazier things have happened.

I'd def give up another 1st for him. Problem is he's the type of talent who you get him in a gym for individual workouts and he could put on an absolute show. Like a lesser version of the "oh ****" moment when teams saw Porzingis work out. He might slip a bit but some team is going to fall in love with his skill set and it'll be extremely tough to convince them to trade him away.

Yeah, we won't know until draft night. All we can do is cross our fingers, but good chance he goes top 10 ahead of Markkanen.
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Post#237 » by JEIS » Tue May 30, 2017 5:49 am

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RiotPunch wrote:I mean, it's hard to judge him by statistics, as he only played 13 MPG and barely even got to the line. But yeah, that is certainly a cause for concern. However, you can see how pure his shot is in some of these workout videos. I know they can make anyone look good as a shooter, but he seems to really knock em down, and the form looks very good to me, especially compared to Hartenstein's knuckleball 3.



He is about as Hammond of a draft pick that you can get.

Yeah, that's probably true, doesn't make him a bad draft pick.


Agree. He was who I wanted when the first draft thread came about.. still like him a lot. Swing for the fences boom or bust type player. More likely to Boom because of ability, skillset and freakish body type, and determination.
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Post#238 » by sdn40 » Tue May 30, 2017 5:50 am

Another big man video showing point guard skills
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Post#239 » by VooDoo7 » Tue May 30, 2017 5:59 am

sdn40 wrote:Another big man video showing point guard skills

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Post#240 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue May 30, 2017 5:59 am

I think Jeanne is pretty overrated.
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