Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK

The Bunk · Post #221 » by **The Bunk** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:56 am

Damn juicy tweet season might be over

Post #222 » by **DayofMourning** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:59 am

Realistically, the Thunder should just keep Chris. Who better to learn from?

Feel_the_Heat15 · Post #223 » by **Feel_the_Heat15** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:21 am

Gordon Hayward could opt out of contract next year. If he plays great I wouldn't mind trying to lure him here again. Doubt he leaves Brad Stevens whos his old college coach though.

Winslow
Butler
Hayward
Olynyk
Bam

That's a top 3 team in the East with a healthy Hayward.

Post #224 » by **DayofMourning** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:25 am

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:Gordon Hayward could opt out of contract next year. If he plays great I wouldn't mind trying to lure him here again. Doubt he leaves Brad Stevens whos his old college coach though.

Winslow
Butler
Hayward
Olynyk
Bam

That's a top 3 team in the East with a healthy Hayward.

How much you going to pay him to play here? Give me a contract proposal.

Post #225 » by **DayofMourning** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:35 am

My man, lol!

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twix2500 · Post #226 » by **twix2500** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:36 am

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:Gordon Hayward could opt out of contract next year. If he plays great I wouldn't mind trying to lure him here again. Doubt he leaves Brad Stevens whos his old college coach though.

Winslow
Butler
Hayward
Olynyk
Bam

That's a top 3 team in the East with a healthy Hayward.

If he plays great, he's not going anywhere. But to get him while stock is down

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Feel_the_Heat15 · Post #227 » by **Feel_the_Heat15** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:38 am

DayofMourning wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:Gordon Hayward could opt out of contract next year. If he plays great I wouldn't mind trying to lure him here again. Doubt he leaves Brad Stevens whos his old college coach though.

Winslow
Butler
Hayward
Olynyk
Bam

That's a top 3 team in the East with a healthy Hayward.

How much you going to pay him to play here? Give me a contract proposal.

Max contract.

goodboy · Post #228 » by **goodboy** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:44 am

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:Gordon Hayward could opt out of contract next year. If he plays great I wouldn't mind trying to lure him here again. Doubt he leaves Brad Stevens whos his old college coach though.

Winslow
Butler
Hayward
Olynyk
Bam

That's a top 3 team in the East with a healthy Hayward.

How much you going to pay him to play here? Give me a contract proposal.

Max contract.

Feel_The_Exaggeration15

HEATVols865 · Post #229 » by **HEATVols865** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:49 am

eddieheatfan wrote:
HEATlanta wrote:
El Alonzo scowl wrote:Top 3 "Yes! We finally got rid of him!" trades:

1) Michael Beasley
2) Hassan Whiteside
3) Mark Blount

Chris Paul will be on this list if we acquire him

Forgot to include Eddie Jones there
Anthony Carter (love his agent!)
Malik Allen
oh eddie jones was a good player,very nice skasher/ 3 point shooter

why you didnt like him?

yes as he got old he sucked so that's natural for most players his best years were with miami

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonesed02.html

He never took the leadership to be the #1 on the team. He would disappear and be such a Beta. Good player but not worth the money he got at the time when we traded PJ and Mash for him.

Eddie on his second stint on the cheap was totally acceptable.

Post #230 » by **DayofMourning** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:49 am

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:Gordon Hayward could opt out of contract next year. If he plays great I wouldn't mind trying to lure him here again. Doubt he leaves Brad Stevens whos his old college coach though.

Winslow
Butler
Hayward
Olynyk
Bam

That's a top 3 team in the East with a healthy Hayward.

How much you going to pay him to play here? Give me a contract proposal.

Max contract.

Damn baby. That's so rich...

Would give him a third of that.

Beenie · Post #231 » by **Beenie** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:50 am

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:Gordon Hayward could opt out of contract next year. If he plays great I wouldn't mind trying to lure him here again. Doubt he leaves Brad Stevens whos his old college coach though.

Winslow
Butler
Hayward
Olynyk
Bam

That's a top 3 team in the East with a healthy Hayward.

How much you going to pay him to play here? Give me a contract proposal.

Max contract.

Yikes.

If Mia strikes out with all of the marquee players that they'll surely covet, and even on guys like Buddy Hield should Sac fail in their attempts to extend him, perhaps Hayward should become an option. Personally, I'd rather buy low sooner than pay the premium later like Twix suggests.

HEATVols865 · Post #232 » by **HEATVols865** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:51 am

MartyConlonJr wrote:
HEATlanta wrote:22 is such a weird number for a star...

Elgin Baylor, Clyde Drexler, Rudy Gay, Khris Middleton, Larry Nance, Michael Redd and Luke Babbitt say hi

Baylor and Drexler, point taken.

All others? Hot garbage!

HEATVols865 · Post #233 » by **HEATVols865** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:53 am

I think Riley is playing the long game with Beal.
He has signaled that he wants him. Beal hesitates in his extension.
He’s seen how Miami didn’t give up on Jimmy, he’s heard Wade talking about the Heat, Jimmy...were playing the long game and I think Beal will wait, even if traded somewhere else, to hear from Miami that summer

Beenie · Post #234 » by **Beenie** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:57 am

HEATlanta wrote:
eddieheatfan wrote:
HEATlanta wrote:Forgot to include Eddie Jones there
Anthony Carter (love his agent!)
Malik Allen
oh eddie jones was a good player,very nice skasher/ 3 point shooter

why you didnt like him?

yes as he got old he sucked so that's natural for most players his best years were with miami

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jonesed02.html

He never took the leadership to be the #1 on the team. He would disappear and be such a Beta. Good player but not worth the money he got at the time when we traded PJ and Mash for him.

Eddie on his second stint on the cheap was totally acceptable.

Eddie's defense was consistently solid, although his offense wasn't. But if you want to describe him as a "beta" surely you wouldn't spare Mashburn from a similar characterization.

MiamiSun · Post #235 » by **MiamiSun** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:25 am

Ok I have come to the conclusion that I am glad none of you are running the team.

No to Gordon Hayward
No to waiting till next year
No to tanking

If you can make the team better this year you do it.

Next year you try to improve on this year.

Every year you try to improve.

If PG makes us better this year you do it. Then build next year. It really is not that big of a deal. Someone will always be willing to make a deal.

Post #236 » by **DayofMourning** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:28 am

MiamiSun wrote:Ok I have come to the conclusion that I am glad none of you are running the team.

No to Gordon Hayward
No to waiting till next year
No to tanking

If you can make the team better this year you do it.

Next year you try to improve on this year.

Every year you try to improve.

If PG makes us better this year you do it. Then build next year. It really is not that big of a deal. Someone will always be willing to make a deal.

Who's PG. Paul George? We redirecting him from LAC?

AirP. · Post #237 » by **AirP.** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:59 am

DayofMourning wrote:Realistically, the Thunder should just keep Chris. Who better to learn from?

With SGA and Schroder on the roster already, someone's going to be missing out on minutes at PG. It'll be hard enough to keep 2 of them happy, let alone 3.

dean456 · Post #238 » by **dean456** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:45 am

HEATlanta wrote:I think Riley is playing the long game with Beal.
He has signaled that he wants him. Beal hesitates in his extension.
He’s seen how Miami didn’t give up on Jimmy, he’s heard Wade talking about the Heat, Jimmy...were playing the long game and I think Beal will wait, even if traded somewhere else, to hear from Miami that summer

Yeah I agree, Riley did tell Jimmy what his plans were to improve the team now and in 2020 and it wouldnt surprise me if Beal was the target in 2020.

I know people think its a pipe dream but I still think the plan is to have Beal, Butler and Giannis in 2021. Which is part of the reason we didnt make a real serious offer for Westbrook and we wont take on Paul unless we get 2-3 FRP's back in return and lose none of the young core.

If we can get to 2021 with Butler under contract, Beal either under contract or committed to play here and still possibly have Bam, Herro and Winslow under contract then we'd be able to make a very strong case to Giannis come here in 2021. With a potential team of,

Winslow (25yo)
Beal (27yo)/Herro(21yo)
Butler(32yo)
Giannis (26yo)
Bam (24yo)

That would be a hard proposition to ignore.

I think Giannis wants to compete for a championship but doesnt want it to be a cop out championship where its 3 of the top 1-10 players on the same team and I'd argure that Beal and Butler would be in like the top 15-20 range at that stage with Butler moving into his 30's. Beal might be slightly higher but if he stays in Washington he will still be hard to rank in the top 10.

gom · Post #239 » by **gom** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:42 am

I don't know why Beal next off-season is a pipedream. He's only signed through 2021, and I doubt Washington will contend this season, given the injury to Wall. Beal will be 27 next season and looking forward to moving somewhere competitive. Miami seems a good place, and we'll be better financially.

At the trade deadline we have Dragic + Meyers Leonard as expirings in 2020. Olynyk, Waiters, and James Johnson will all be expirings in 2021. We have a 2020 draft pick we can offer to Washington on draft night too. Right now it's tough to trade for Beal, but Washington won't look as good at the trade deadline if they aren't in playoff contention. They'll have the same choice every team faces with free agency. Get something for him now or wait for him to walk in 2021.

All we need to do is (1) win games (2) show improvements with our youth and (3) not purchase a big fat contract like Chris Paul's. If we don't do something stupid, we can reel him in.

MartyConlonJr · Post #240 » by **MartyConlonJr** » Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:24 am

Mars wrote:2018-19 : Contested three pointers: defender within 2-4 feet (at least 1.5 FG3 contested attempts per game)

1. Covington 42.4% (1.7 FG3A)
2. PG 41.0% (1.8 FG3A)
3. Ellington 39.4% (2.0 FG3A)
4. Korver 38.9% (1.6 FG3A)
5. Steph 36.7% (2.1 FG3A)
6. Kemba 35.9% (2.3 FG3A)
7. Klay 35.8% (1.7 FG3A)
8. Redick 35.4% (1.7 FG3A)
9. Dion 34.7% (2.2 FG3A)
10. Dame 34.4% (1.9 FG3A)
11. T. Ross 32.6% (2.3 FG3A)
12. Harden 32.4% (5.8 FG3A)
13. D. Russell 30.7% (1.7 FG3A)
14. Durant 26.1% (1.5 FG3A)
15. Carmelo 20.0% (1.5 FG3A) - in 10 games played

Lol at Covington who shot 37.8% from 3 overall on 2.4 of 6.4 threes, meaning he shot like 35% when wide open. I wonder if that is now part of the scouting report?