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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#261 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jul 1, 2014 12:58 pm

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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#262 » by Bizz » Tue Jul 1, 2014 1:42 pm

Here is my 2014/15 Charlotte Hornets

1. Trade Gerald Henderson+Gary Neal for Eric Gordon and 2 2nd round picks

I know most of you want us to get one of the FAs this offseason (Stephenson, Parsons, Hayward). But out of all Eric Gordon fits the best with the roster we have. He provides great 3pt shooting (best out of all options), 1-1 ability (second only to Lance), second ball handler and experience. All of the above mentioned FAs will seek a contract above 10 mill per year. for the sake of the argument let say 4/48. If you combine that 12 mill with Henderson making 6mill and Neal Making 3.25mill and Hairston making 1 mill you get 22 mill, just for a SG position. With Gordon+Hairston you have 16 mill going to a SG position and Gordon expires the same year as Big Al and when Kemba will be up for extension.

6 mill of cap space gone to accommodate Gordons salary.

2. Resign McRoberts for 2/14

McRoberts was our third best player last season after Al and Kemba and was very important to team success with his outside shooting and play making. Give him a 2 year contract so he expires the same off season as Al and above mentioned Gordon and when Vonleh or Zeller should be ready to take over the position.

7 mill cap space gone

3. Sign Greivis Vasquez for 3/12

Vasquez has nice size at PG position. And I hear Clifford say that we need more size at every position. He also is a good shooter and passer.

4 mill cap space gone

5 Sign Anthony Morrow for 2/6

Bobcats were one of the worst shooting teams in the league last year and Morrow can improve that. He is a nice backup at 2 and 3 in case of injury and is a North Carolina native.

Hornets roster:

Kemba/Vasquez
Gordon/Hairston/Morrow
MKG/Taylor
McRoberts/Zeller/Vonleh
Big Al/Biyombo

I believe that this team has a nice mixture of veterans and young guys. Enough shooters to compliment the slashers and big men. All are willing passers and solid defensively.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#263 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:37 pm

McBob is likely to go for $5 to $8 mil a year IMHO. No way that he stays around $2 mil given how he did last year and with the interest he is drawing.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#264 » by HornetJail » Tue Jul 1, 2014 3:56 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:McBob is likely to go for $5 to $8 mil a year IMHO. No way that he stays around $2 mil given how he did last year and with the interest he is drawing.

Holy $#!% no way in the world there's a team willing to pay $8M for the 4th or 5th best player on the LOLcats.
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Post#265 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:00 pm

By some metrics (I'm looking at you wins share) he was the 2nd best player on the team.

However what's really going to drive his $ up is the fact that there are a LOT of teams with cap space and McBob is one of the top 5 power forwards available. He's also just about the only good stretch 4 with size on the market. He's going to get paid.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#266 » by Bizz » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:21 pm

Vanderbilt_Grad wrote:McBob is likely to go for $5 to $8 mil a year IMHO. No way that he stays around $2 mil given how he did last year and with the interest he is drawing.



My thinking was 2 years 14 mil so right in your 5-8 range. I agree that McBob will get paid this summer. There are a lot of teams with cap space and not a lot of big men on the market. His floor is basically MLE.
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Post#267 » by Vanderbilt_Grad » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:22 pm

And the MLE is huge this year too.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#268 » by Braggins » Tue Jul 1, 2014 5:16 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:The Houston Chronicle used Batum as a comp for Parsons. Batum was a restricted free agent and Blazers matched an offer of 4 years, 46 million. So we're looking at nearly 12 million for Parsons which would leave 7.5 cap space. That's enough for McRoberts and Jameer Nelson.

I don't want to come off as abrasive again because we actually agree on a lot of things (including our love for UConn) but that kind of contract for Parsons seems outrageous to me, at least for our team. We would pretty much be going all in on the guy. I think he is good, but not that good. Say what you want about the MKG love dome, but some people appreciate 20 year olds who get NBA all-defensive team votes. You don't seem to have much faith in MKG's development but if we spend that kind of money on a guy who might not be the best player at his position on our team in a year or two that could end up backfiring terribly. I was ok with the idea of Parson initially because I assumed his market value would be quite a bit lower than that, but if that is what it takes to sign him I think we should stay far away. I understand your concern about scoring from our wing positions but we did just draft Hairston who could help a lot in this area and we still should be in contention for Lance, who would basically solve all of our remaining problems (other than Hendo still being on our roster, S&T for Lance maybe?). I wouldn't start throwing out big offers for Parsons unless he can actually play SG and we can't get Lance.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#269 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jul 1, 2014 5:22 pm

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MasterIchiro wrote:The Houston Chronicle used Batum as a comp for Parsons. Batum was a restricted free agent and Blazers matched an offer of 4 years, 46 million. So we're looking at nearly 12 million for Parsons which would leave 7.5 cap space. That's enough for McRoberts and Jameer Nelson.

I don't want to come off as abrasive again because we actually agree on a lot of things (including our love for UConn) but that kind of contract for Parsons seems outrageous to me, at least for our team. We would pretty much be going all in on the guy. I think he is good, but not that good. Say what you want about the MKG love dome, but some people appreciate 20 year olds who get NBA all-defensive team votes. You don't seem to have much faith in MKG's development but if we spend that kind of money on a guy who might not be the best player at his position on our team in a year or two that could end up backfiring terribly. I was ok with the idea of Parson initially because I assumed his market value would be quite a bit lower than that, but if that is what it takes to sign him I think we should stay far away. I understand your concern about scoring from our wing positions but we did just draft Hairston who could help a lot in this area and we still should be in contention for Lance, who would basically solve all of our remaining problems (other than Hendo still being on our roster, S&T for Lance maybe?). I wouldn't start throwing out big offers for Parsons unless he can actually play SG and we can't get Lance.


That's fair. I'm enjoying free agency honestly aside from not having a beat writer with scoop skills. I'd be happy with Lance or Hayward or Parsons all for different reasons. Whether they block Henderson and/or MKG or totally remove one or both, I'll be happy as long as I see a legitimate upgrade at those positions. At this point I actually have a preference of MKG over Henderson as MKG's age still makes him a potential long-term fit. I would rather overpay than upgrade neither position though.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#270 » by mrknowitall215 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 5:23 pm

I love/hate 'MasterIchiro's opinions on making the team better because he's like a kid in the candy store, just grasping at everything that look good except the healthy granola bars (MKG) until you get to the counter and realize that you don't have enough money for everything
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#271 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jul 1, 2014 5:27 pm

mrknowitall215 wrote:I love/hate 'MasterIchiro's opinions on making the team better because he's like a kid in the candy store, just grasping at everything that look good except the healthy granola bars (MKG) until you get to the counter and realize that you don't have enough money for everything


Well I eat grain-free so granola bars are not part of my diet.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#272 » by Braggins » Tue Jul 1, 2014 5:28 pm

I'm going to update my roster based on current free agent predictions.

Kemba Walker/Ramon Sessions/Jerome Dyson
Lance Stephenson/PJ Hairston/Anthony Morrow
MKG/CDR/Jeffrey Taylor
Cody Zeller/Noah Vonleh/Jeff Adrien
Al Jefferson/Bismack Biyombo

This roster is assuming a magical christmas land scenario where we do a sign and trade for Lance that would look something like Hendo, Neal, 2 future seconds picks (maybe a future first) for Lance. I don't know how realistic this is, but we could even possibly take on George Hill's terrible contract and not sign Sessions or Livingston to be our main backup and hopefully not have to throw in as many draft picks since we would be clearing cap space for the Pacers. I obviously don't want George Hill on that contract but he would be an excellent backup PG and if we made that move we would likely wouldn't have much need to sign any other FA's that would cost much and should have a roster built for contention if our young guys continue to develop. I haven't looked too much into the our cap situation after this year but if taking on Hill's contract could prevent us from being able to resign Kemba or MKG then I definitely wouldn't want any part of it. I'm just throwing it out there.

Edit: Livingston could easily replace Sessions spot and that might be a better fit overall. I just went with Sessions because it seems like he would be more likely to sign with us given his past ties and expressed interest in returning.
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Post#273 » by LofJ » Tue Jul 1, 2014 5:31 pm

I've been wavering about how I feel about us pursing the big name free agents this year, but the developments with the Hawks and Magic both clearing cap space to seemingly go after some of those names themselves I've changed my mind. We can't sit pat while the Hawks sign Deng or the Magic do a sign and trade for Monroe. Our division is already going to be tough enough with the Heat and Wizards, we can't let the Hawks or Magic one up us.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#274 » by Braggins » Tue Jul 1, 2014 5:35 pm

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MasterIchiro wrote:The Houston Chronicle used Batum as a comp for Parsons. Batum was a restricted free agent and Blazers matched an offer of 4 years, 46 million. So we're looking at nearly 12 million for Parsons which would leave 7.5 cap space. That's enough for McRoberts and Jameer Nelson.

I don't want to come off as abrasive again because we actually agree on a lot of things (including our love for UConn) but that kind of contract for Parsons seems outrageous to me, at least for our team. We would pretty much be going all in on the guy. I think he is good, but not that good. Say what you want about the MKG love dome, but some people appreciate 20 year olds who get NBA all-defensive team votes. You don't seem to have much faith in MKG's development but if we spend that kind of money on a guy who might not be the best player at his position on our team in a year or two that could end up backfiring terribly. I was ok with the idea of Parson initially because I assumed his market value would be quite a bit lower than that, but if that is what it takes to sign him I think we should stay far away. I understand your concern about scoring from our wing positions but we did just draft Hairston who could help a lot in this area and we still should be in contention for Lance, who would basically solve all of our remaining problems (other than Hendo still being on our roster, S&T for Lance maybe?). I wouldn't start throwing out big offers for Parsons unless he can actually play SG and we can't get Lance.


That's fair. I'm enjoying free agency honestly aside from not having a beat writer with scoop skills. I'd be happy with Lance or Hayward or Parsons all for different reasons. Whether they block Henderson and/or MKG or totally remove one or both, I'll be happy as long as I see a legitimate upgrade at those positions. At this point I actually have a preference of MKG over Henderson as MKG's age still makes him a potential long-term fit. I would rather overpay than upgrade neither position though.

I don't like Hayward at all and I do like Parsons but not at that kind of price due to the faith I have in MKG. I think it would be fine to bring in someone to split minutes with him for a year or maybe two but only if it was at a very reasonable price. I don't want to throw the bank at players who are roughly on about the same level as MKG. I desperately want to upgrade SG but if we can't sign anyone there I would rather just shore up our depth and hope Hairston is the upgrade at SG we need and then look for a FA SG next year if we need to. I know everyone, including myself, is super excited about how this offseason is going and all the cap space we have but I don't want the front office to get too excited and go on a spending free just because they can. Luckily, this is the one area where everyone seems to agree that Cho really knows what he is doing. It is even starting to look like he has figured out the draft process after the masterstroke he performed last Thursday. Good times should be coming soon.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#275 » by Braggins » Tue Jul 1, 2014 5:45 pm

Bizz wrote:Here is my 2014/15 Charlotte Hornets

1. Trade Gerald Henderson+Gary Neal for Eric Gordon and 2 2nd round picks

I know most of you want us to get one of the FAs this offseason (Stephenson, Parsons, Hayward). But out of all Eric Gordon fits the best with the roster we have. He provides great 3pt shooting (best out of all options), 1-1 ability (second only to Lance), second ball handler and experience. All of the above mentioned FAs will seek a contract above 10 mill per year. for the sake of the argument let say 4/48. If you combine that 12 mill with Henderson making 6mill and Neal Making 3.25mill and Hairston making 1 mill you get 22 mill, just for a SG position. With Gordon+Hairston you have 16 mill going to a SG position and Gordon expires the same year as Big Al and when Kemba will be up for extension.

6 mill of cap space gone to accommodate Gordons salary.

2. Resign McRoberts for 2/14

McRoberts was our third best player last season after Al and Kemba and was very important to team success with his outside shooting and play making. Give him a 2 year contract so he expires the same off season as Al and above mentioned Gordon and when Vonleh or Zeller should be ready to take over the position.

7 mill cap space gone

3. Sign Greivis Vasquez for 3/12

Vasquez has nice size at PG position. And I hear Clifford say that we need more size at every position. He also is a good shooter and passer.

4 mill cap space gone

5 Sign Anthony Morrow for 2/6

Bobcats were one of the worst shooting teams in the league last year and Morrow can improve that. He is a nice backup at 2 and 3 in case of injury and is a North Carolina native.

Hornets roster:

Kemba/Vasquez
Gordon/Hairston/Morrow
MKG/Taylor
McRoberts/Zeller/Vonleh
Big Al/Biyombo

I believe that this team has a nice mixture of veterans and young guys. Enough shooters to compliment the slashers and big men. All are willing passers and solid defensively.

I could get behind this roster. Gordon's injury issues scare me a lot but we would have a lot of depth behind him so we could keep his minutes around 30 per game to help with this, especially if we also resigned CDR who could backup MKG as well if Taylor doesn't finally get his sh*t together.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#276 » by Eoghan » Wed Jul 2, 2014 2:30 am

PG: Kemba Walker|Steve Blake|Undrafted UConn scrub
SG: Gerald Henderson|PJ Hairston|Gary Neal
SF: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist|Al Farouq Aminu|Jeffery Taylor
PF: Byron Mullens|Noah Vonleh|Cody Zeller
C: Al Jefferson|Bismack Biyombo
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Post#277 » by JDR720 » Wed Jul 2, 2014 2:33 am

BrotherDave wrote:PG: Kemba Walker|Steve Blake|Undrafted UConn scrub
SG: Gerald Henderson|PJ Hairston|Gary Neal
SF: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist|Al Farouq Aminu|Jeffery Taylor
PF: Byron Mullens|Noah Vonleh|Cody Zeller
C: Al Jefferson|Bismack Biyombo

*Sees Byron Mullens* *jumps off cliff*
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Post#278 » by HornetJail » Wed Jul 2, 2014 2:34 am

BrotherDave wrote:PG: Kemba Walker|Steve Blake|Undrafted UConn scrub
SG: Gerald Henderson|PJ Hairston|Gary Neal
SF: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist|Al Farouq Aminu|Jeffery Taylor
PF: Byron Mullens|Noah Vonleh|Cody Zeller
C: Al Jefferson|Bismack Biyombo

You forgot to trade Jefferson and Kemba for Smith and Jennings brah.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#279 » by Eoghan » Wed Jul 2, 2014 2:43 am

Biz Gilwalker wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:PG: Kemba Walker|Steve Blake|Undrafted UConn scrub
SG: Gerald Henderson|PJ Hairston|Gary Neal
SF: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist|Al Farouq Aminu|Jeffery Taylor
PF: Byron Mullens|Noah Vonleh|Cody Zeller
C: Al Jefferson|Bismack Biyombo

You forgot to trade Jefferson and Kemba for Smith and Jennings brah.

It's early, give me time.
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Re: What does your Hornets roster look like? 

Post#280 » by HornetJail » Wed Jul 2, 2014 3:07 am

BrotherDave wrote:
Biz Gilwalker wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:PG: Kemba Walker|Steve Blake|Undrafted UConn scrub
SG: Gerald Henderson|PJ Hairston|Gary Neal
SF: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist|Al Farouq Aminu|Jeffery Taylor
PF: Byron Mullens|Noah Vonleh|Cody Zeller
C: Al Jefferson|Bismack Biyombo

You forgot to trade Jefferson and Kemba for Smith and Jennings brah.

It's early, give me time.

I figured. I forgot to point out that you didn't trade biyombo for iman shumpert
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