Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

Post #281 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:07 am

bwoolf2 wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:Do you really want to be paying Millsap $35m when Booker needs a Max?

Umm hell no. That's the thing about signing this "PF" type player - Millsap. Blake Griffin. They are going to want long years, big dollars. As it is now, Chandler and Dudley are off the books in 2019. The summer that Booker can be a FA. So, if you don't do anything with those two - that's good timing. Granted, Chriss and Bender are one year later after Knight comes off

Millsap will be three years - probably $70m

Blake is going to be like 5/125 or whatever

To me, if the Suns do something has to be a two year deal maybe three years - expires so they will have cap space when these deals come to fruition. I still like my Dudley for LMA deal - but not sure 10m helps the Spurs enough without having to stretch Parker

Just looking at the Hawks: Knight and Len S&T for Millsaps and filler... three year deal for Paul

Dedmon might be an option at Center - granted, already have Chandler Len and Sauce

Why do people want to take away playing time from Chriss Bender and Jackson, when it was so clear that the playing time helped Chriss grow by leaps and bounds compared to him sitting on the bench. I just don't get it not a single one of those guys gets us more than 5 more wins maybe 7 at best and fighting for an 8th seed and takes away any flexibility we have if a great trade opportunity were to come up where we need to absorb contracts. Let the Kids Play!

Yes, it makes zero sense to sign any of these guys, and they won't want to sign here anyway. If we want to sign a vet PG to a reasonable small deal like Calderon or whatever for backup, fine, but not any of these star type players when we need our prizes for being bad to develop.

jredsaz · Post #282 » by **jredsaz** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:26 am

Son of Ra wrote:
ATTL wrote:Would you guys rather go after Blake or Millsap if you had to choose?

Blake 100%

This 100%

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MrMiyagi · Post #283 » by **MrMiyagi** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:45 am

jredsaz wrote:
Son of Ra wrote:
ATTL wrote:Would you guys rather go after Blake or Millsap if you had to choose?

Blake 100%

This 100%

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Bender&Chriss>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Blake&Millsap

WeekapaugGroove · Post #284 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:45 am

No way in hell milsap takes anything but a 4 year deal, hell he might even take a slight per yr discount for a 5th yr in Atlanta. Hes 32 and this is his last payday; like chandler a couple years ago he's going to want as long of a deal as possible.

If Griffin wanted to sign here absolutely you do it. Blakes only 28 so he'll be younger when the 4 yr deal you would give him expires than milsap is now. I love chriss and don't like bringing in a guy to block his him but you could still find time and its hard to pass up a free talent upgrade Griffin would provide.

Its probably a moot point because Griffin has other more win now options and a bigger contract if he just stays in LA. But if he is willing to meet then of course you take the meeting and pitch him on being the leader of this young crew.

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thamadkant · Post #285 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:17 am

Griffin makes too much sense in Celtics, they need a PF and he's it.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #286 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:35 am

Personally I'd just chill this offseason. Extend Warren if you can find a reasonable number. Then I'd let the center market play out. Maybe that means bringing len or williams back or if they get priced out look for the big who loses the big man free agency musical chairs on a cheap deal. Or you take one of the center contract mistakes from last summer in a trade for knight.

Chandler is the question. If someone would give you something for him then cool; trade him and find a replacement in one of the ways i mentioned. But if not no big deal just keep him for now and get some of that "vet leadership" the suns like to spend cash on.

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jredsaz · Post #287 » by **jredsaz** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:40 am

People forget about the kind of player Griffin is. He is a playmaker with a great handle and fantastic court sense. He has improved his range past the 3 point line. Post all star he shot from there 35% with a TS% of 59.2%.

The Clippers are fundamentally flawed with the CP3/Jordan/Griffin combo and it held Griffin s game back. I agree that his injury history is concerning but some of those have been flukey.

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Puff · Post #288 » by **Puff** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:41 am

1UPZ wrote:Griffin makes too much sense in Celtics, they need a PF and he's it.

I just do not like the Celtic roster at all. I do not know of anyone they have that I would like to have on our roster.

The only reason they won so many games this year, was because IT played out of his mind.

I think our squad offers much more potential going forward and gives Griffin a chance to be the leading man with a whole lot less pressure and much more fun. I do not see him as a ring chaser. I could be wrong but I think we have a real chance to land this guy.

I also think that the Clips are in real trouble going forward. I see a better chance of lottery picks than championships in their future.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #289 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:48 am

I wouldn't stretch knight. No reason to add cap dollars that far out unless you needed to to sign a guy like griffin. If they can't find a trade then maybe you talk buy out with him. He might be willing to take something like 10mil of the total you owe him knowing he could make a hell of a lot more than that over the next 3 years if he goes somewhere and plays well. Or you just keep him and let him complete for backup minutes. If he wins those minutes great maybe he gives you something or improves his trade value. If he gets beat out then so be it and sit him at the end of the bench and figure out what to do with him later.

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thamadkant · Post #290 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:49 am

Puff wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Griffin makes too much sense in Celtics, they need a PF and he's it.

I just do not like the Celtic roster at all. I do not know of anyone they have that I would like to have on our roster.

The only reason they won so many games this year, was because IT played out of his mind.

I think our squad offers much more potential going forward and gives Griffin a chance to be the leading man with a whole lot less pressure and much more fun. I do not see him as a ring chaser. I could be wrong but I think we have a real chance to land this guy.

I also think that the Clips are in real trouble going forward. I see a better chance of lottery picks than championships in their future.

My friend is a die-hard Celtics fan... as in he flies to USA (from Australia) every year to watch a playoff series. So I get to watch heaps of Celtic games at his house here... Celtics are good because they have plus defenders in every position except Thomas... who is an offensive dynamo. Thomas is that good and fits the role perfectly for them... the A.I role.

I think they will continue to be good.... the one thing missing is a rebounder next to Horford and a second 20ppg scorer just in case Thomas is off.... hence Hayward, George, Butler and Griffin makes sense.

Frank Lee · Post #291 » by **Frank Lee** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:27 am

Hard to imagine McDo sitting back and not trying to land his first Big FA.... especially if it was true/serious that BG identified Phnx as a possible destination. Though I dont exactly see the need as we have kind of set our PF table with a couple of prospects, its a huge upgrade and adds a lot of legitimacy to this organization's quest to take the next step. The rebuild would officially be over.

Question is, if LMA does become available, and it certainly seems possible. do we make a play for the shorter commitment? It would surely require moving Dudley and Barbs... two vet cornerstones. If SA was just dumping him, why not? I'd hesitate to give any assets, as the favor is sal cap relief. LMA didn't cost them anything.

The draft was easy compared to the roster manipulation that lies ahead.

starbosa10 · Post #292 » by **starbosa10** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:21 am

just no to milsap

Mulhollanddrive · Post #293 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:40 am

It's actually fortunate we're so bad that Dudley, Knight, Chandler making 40% of the cap doesn't really matter.

I consider a neutral mistake free FA period a good result.

Hesh · Post #294 » by **Hesh** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:02 pm

Who here would trade Booker for the #1 pick Fultz. I'm just curious to hear opinions on this

Jdiddy701 · Post #295 » by **Jdiddy701** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:09 pm

Hesh wrote:Who here would trade Booker for the #1 pick Fultz. I'm just curious to hear opinions on this

Nobody - Booker is worth trading for a handful players in the league - Anthony Davis, and Karl Anthony Towns are the only players I'd trade him for. There's maybe 2-5 more guys other people would say and those guys are 20-24 years old.

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Saberestar · Post #296 » by **Saberestar** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:13 pm

Hesh wrote:Who here would trade Booker for the #1 pick Fultz. I'm just curious to hear opinions on this

Not me.

Frank Lee · Post #297 » by **Frank Lee** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:45 pm

carey wrote:
bwoolf2 wrote:Reed will be running point in summer would be my guess and they will bring in someone off the streets to back him up. They had him running point in the 5v5 sessions during the workouts.

They will probably let Joe Jackson run the point. http://gleague.nba.com/player/joe-jackson/

I hope this G league actually aids in the development of these teenagers. It has to. Its a far cry from the minor league system of MLB, but its a start in the right direction. Would not be surprised to see us with a full 17 man roster. I dont know much about NAZ coach Ty Ellis, but it seems the job just got more important.

Phnxsports · Post #298 » by **Phnxsports** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:48 pm

I would be interested to see how much Ibaka would cost. I know he's not the same guy he was a few years ago but his game would fit perfect with the Suns in my opinion.

m1chal · Post #299 » by **m1chal** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:59 pm

Hesh wrote:Who here would trade Booker for the #1 pick Fultz. I'm just curious to hear opinions on this

Ask again around All-Star break

Frank Lee · Post #300 » by **Frank Lee** » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:10 pm

Phnxsports wrote:I would be interested to see how much Ibaka would cost. I know he's not the same guy he was a few years ago but his game would fit perfect with the Suns in my opinion.

The big decision will be about Len. I think its a given Williams resigns.... its far too good of a 'feel good' story... but Len's money could go elsewhere. I guess Ibaka could run some at C as well... and likely fit seamlessly into the locker room. Would it be better to have him on a reasonable 3 yr deal... or Len for 5 ? I guess its a good problem to have. Im kind of leaning to keep Len on... but it will all come down to the auction block.