2025 Draft prospects - thread 2

[WesPeace]

Beringer hype is bizarre. Not even close to a lotto pick.

I dont think anybody mentioned him as lottery pick at all...highest projection #15, but mostly late first rounder or early 2nd rounder.

[Jcool0]

Let's hope he falls past 10

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[Guru]

Beringer hype is bizarre. Not even close to a lotto pick.

I dont think anybody mentioned him as lottery pick at all...highest projection #15, but mostly late first rounder or early 2nd rounder.

Hes only played basketball for 3 years

[sco]

Let's hope he falls past 10

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https://www.nbadraft.net/players/collin-murray-boyles/

I don't see the appeal.

[DuckIII]

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I don't see the appeal.

I do. But it would be for defense and glue. If we want to maximize Giddey we need guys who are high IQ and can move the ball. CMB is that.

We are not - should not anyway - be looking for iso ball stopping types.

We have zero ball stoppers. Zero. And still score like crazy. Think about that. Let’s keep it that way. Let’s do this differently while we hope and wait for a franchise mega star.

[sco]

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I don't see the appeal.

I do. But it would be for defense and glue. If we want to maximize Giddey we need guys who are high IQ and can move the ball. CMB is that.

We are not - should not anyway - be looking for iso ball stopping types.

We have zero ball stoppers. Zero. And still score like crazy. Think about that. Let’s keep it that way. Let’s do this differently while we hope and wait for a franchise mega star.

Hey maybe I'm wrong, but I thought CMB was a below average 3pt shooter. I'm fine with 3-D guys, but don't want to draft another Terry or Phillips type player...we have enough of that.

[Guru]

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I don't see the appeal.

I think you would if you watched him more. He's got Lonzo like BBIQ

[sco]

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I don't see the appeal.

I think you would if you watched him more. He's got Lonzo like BBIQ

Fair enough, but I'm saying that Lonzo without a 3 ball isn't someone I'd want.

[Jcool0]

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I don't see the appeal.

You dont see the appeal of a Draymond Green type or maybe more realistically a Onyeka Okongwu (6'8", 235lbs) type player who right now is averaging 13.8/9/2.3 and closed out the year averaging 19.4/12/2.6. CMB would be a lock in the top 10 if he was 2" taller.

[DuckIII]

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/collin-murray-boyles/

I don't see the appeal.

I do. But it would be for defense and glue. If we want to maximize Giddey we need guys who are high IQ and can move the ball. CMB is that.

We are not - should not anyway - be looking for iso ball stopping types.

We have zero ball stoppers. Zero. And still score like crazy. Think about that. Let’s keep it that way. Let’s do this differently while we hope and wait for a franchise mega star.

Hey maybe I'm wrong, but I thought CMB was a below average 3pt shooter. I'm fine with 3-D guys, but don't want to draft another Terry or Phillips type player...we have enough of that.

Terry and Phillips can’t shoot 3s AND can’t do anything else. CMB does EVERYTHING except shoot 3s - for now.

Frankly I’m exhausted with the argument that everyone has to be able to shoot 3s. First, it’s not true. Second, the 3 ball can be taught up to adequate levels most of the time anyway.

Hopefully all the GMs in front of us think like you on this issue. It’s how we got Matas.

[DuckIII]

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/collin-murray-boyles/

I don't see the appeal.

I think you would if you watched him more. He's got Lonzo like BBIQ

Fair enough, but I'm saying that Lonzo without a 3 ball isn't someone I'd want.

That’s not what he is either, so no worries.

[kodo]

Let's hope he falls past 10

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I don't see the appeal.

You dont see the appeal of a Draymond Green type or maybe more realistically a Onyeka Okongwu (6'8", 235lbs) type player who right now is averaging 13.8/9/2.3 and closed out the year averaging 19.4/12/2.6. CMB would be a lock in the top 10 if he was 2" taller.

He also has a high steals stat, which is a good indicator for NBA success. Especially for a PF. Shows full court awareness, processing speed, and ability to actually do something about it.

PFs with 1.5+ spg:
Ausar Thompson, Jaime Jaquez, Tari Eason, LaRavia, Zion, Okeke.
Not a bad list, more hits than misses for their draft range.

Combine will be huge for him. Wingspan, vertical, and lateral speed.

[sco]

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I don't see the appeal.

You dont see the appeal of a Draymond Green type or maybe more realistically a Onyeka Okongwu (6'8", 235lbs) type player who right now is averaging 13.8/9/2.3 and closed out the year averaging 19.4/12/2.6. CMB would be a lock in the top 10 if he was 2" taller.

I am of the opinion that the only position where your starter can get away with being a non-3pt shooter is C. But I think Okongwu is too small to be a non-3pt shooting C, and that causes ATL problems. I will say that I feel like every player in this draft has major flaws after Flagg.

[Jcool0]

I do. But it would be for defense and glue. If we want to maximize Giddey we need guys who are high IQ and can move the ball. CMB is that.

We are not - should not anyway - be looking for iso ball stopping types.

We have zero ball stoppers. Zero. And still score like crazy. Think about that. Let’s keep it that way. Let’s do this differently while we hope and wait for a franchise mega star.

Hey maybe I'm wrong, but I thought CMB was a below average 3pt shooter. I'm fine with 3-D guys, but don't want to draft another Terry or Phillips type player...we have enough of that.

Terry and Phillips can’t shoot 3s AND can’t do anything else. CMB does EVERYTHING except shoot 3s - for now.

Frankly I’m exhausted with the argument that everyone has to be able to shoot 3s. First, it’s not true. Second, the 3 ball can be taught up to adequate levels most of the time anyway.

Hopefully all the GMs in front of us think like you on this issue. It’s how we got Matas.

The example i just used Onyeka Okongwu took 16 3PA his first 3 seasons in the NBA. This year he took 148 (32%).

[Jcool0]

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/collin-murray-boyles/

I don't see the appeal.

You dont see the appeal of a Draymond Green type or maybe more realistically a Onyeka Okongwu (6'8", 235lbs) type player who right now is averaging 13.8/9/2.3 and closed out the year averaging 19.4/12/2.6. CMB would be a lock in the top 10 if he was 2" taller.

I am of the opinion that the only position where your starter can get away with being a non-3pt shooter is C. But I think Okongwu is too small to be a non-3pt shooting C, and that causes ATL problems. I will say that I feel like every player in this draft has major flaws after Flagg.

Onyeka Okongwu has a +3.2 on/off number for Atl his last 4 seasons. Not amazing but he is a positive player for them and only 24 years old. Atlanta is 40-42 this year and he is a +3.6. Zaccharie Risacher -4.2. Young +3.8.

[sco]

You dont see the appeal of a Draymond Green type or maybe more realistically a Onyeka Okongwu (6'8", 235lbs) type player who right now is averaging 13.8/9/2.3 and closed out the year averaging 19.4/12/2.6. CMB would be a lock in the top 10 if he was 2" taller.

I am of the opinion that the only position where your starter can get away with being a non-3pt shooter is C. But I think Okongwu is too small to be a non-3pt shooting C, and that causes ATL problems. I will say that I feel like every player in this draft has major flaws after Flagg.

Onyeka Okongwu has a +3.2 on/off number for Atl his last 4 seasons. Not amazing but he is a positive player for them and only 24 years old.

I respect your opinion, but just have different preferences. Back on CMB, the positive that would say with him is that if we drafted him, it would at least be because the FO saw him as the BPA instead of for need. Back when we had a shot at a top 10 pick, I would have called drafting Maluach or Queen drafting for need, but at (optimistically 15), they might be BPA's at that range.

[burlydee]

Warming up to Collin Murray-Boyles.

What are you seeing?

Where does he play and fit for us?

If you're drafting him you're playing him at the 4 on offense and letting him guard the opposing team's best forward/wing. I just like his fill for the game and physicality. If he's a legit 6'8 I think that will be big enough. Like Kuminga with defense and good passing instincts.

[Jcool0]

I am of the opinion that the only position where your starter can get away with being a non-3pt shooter is C. But I think Okongwu is too small to be a non-3pt shooting C, and that causes ATL problems. I will say that I feel like every player in this draft has major flaws after Flagg.

Onyeka Okongwu has a +3.2 on/off number for Atl his last 4 seasons. Not amazing but he is a positive player for them and only 24 years old.

I respect your opinion, but just have different preferences. Back on CMB, the positive that would say with him is that if we drafted him, it would at least be because the FO saw him as the BPA instead of for need. Back when we had a shot at a top 10 pick, I would have called drafting Maluach or Queen drafting for need, but at (optimistically 15), they might be BPA's at that range.

I really liked Maluach in the 8-10 range. I really like VJ if the Bulls had been able to get #4. Anyone past 10 is going to be a flawed player. Heck past 5 will have some noticeable flaws. Doesn't mean they cant be a valuable player. You are looking for the best player where the Bulls can draft. CMB seems like a winning player. He doesn't have to be like Green wining DPOY to be worth it. He just has to contribute to positive plays.

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[Guru]

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I don't see the appeal.

I think you would if you watched him more. He's got Lonzo like BBIQ

Fair enough, but I'm saying that Lonzo without a 3 ball isn't someone I'd want.

CMB is so polarizing even in my cabeza.

When I watch him I love him. He is super smart, takes control of games, can defend, pass, score.

But if he's 6-6 and can't shooot 3s and isn't uber athletic what is he? But also it's tough to see what he is.

I think there is a world where he is the 2nd best player in this draft when its all said and dead. He has the Dog in him, his BBall IQ is tremendous, he was great this year and his team was terrible.