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Disagreement with the Dodgers' Front Office 

Post#321 » by Ranma » Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:39 pm

First off, I want to echo Neddy's comment previously that the Giants' signing of Cueto should have removed any sense of urgency to "rush" a deal in pressuring our potential trade partners or caving into their demands. The Dodgers are obviously exploring opportunities with other ballclubs and have been tight-lipped about their plans, so it shouldn't be a surprise that we didn't hear anything until yesterday.

Teams are already expecting the Dodgers to pay more by virtue of having more as it is and they're now counting on pressure and expectations from frustrated fans and observers into panicking the front office to make a move when there's really no reason to do so. The Dodgers are one of the few big-pocket teams not to spend big yet. The Cardinals have stood pat as well and both organizations are still positioned well to make moves once free agents realize frenzied demand for their services have died down. Likewise, the market for pitching--both on the free-agent front and trade market--has been more tempered even if asking prices have not yet been lowered to more reasonable levels.

In any case, like the delaying of Dave Roberts' introductory press conference to a more practical date, it really doesn't matter when the official signing of Hisashi Iwakuma takes place since we know that a commitment has been agreed to by both parties. Otherwise, why would Iwakuma take himself off the market while the number of potential suitors diminishes with every new signing? I'll concede a concern could entail health issues with regards to his physical, but if that were the case, I would think the agreement would be voided or otherwise adjusted. While losing Iwakuma would be unexpected, we would not have to give up a first-round pick and there are still pitchers available to pursue in Leake, Kazmir, Chen, and Maeda. Having said that, the lack of activity by the Dodgers has increased the importance of having a healthy Iwakuma on our staff.

Also, while the Dodgers are widely projected as currently 3rd best in the NL West, an ESPN Insider piece using 2016 ZiPS projects the team to win the division by 2 or 3 games as of Monday before the 3-team trade.


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I also want to touch on another point. There have been concerns expressed about the Dodgers having to cut payroll. A financial analyst for Forbes estimates that the organization has incurred over $85 million in operation losses since Guggenheim Baseball Management bought the team and anticipates for it to continue to lose money again this year. However, the team has invested heavily in the current international signing period and was expecting to spend more on Greinke's return as well as trading for Chapman.

It is understandable why the organization would want to limit their spending to wise investments whether they are free-agent signings or trading for big-money players, especially when presented with the chance to reset the luxury tax penalties. However, the Dodgers have yet to show any reluctance to spend whenever it is warranted. The Dodgers were not alone in not wanting to grant Greinke a 6th year on his contract (see Giants) nor were they alone when they didn't offer to sign Cueto to the big-money deal he eventually got (see Cardinals).

In fact, everyone still expect the Dodgers to make a big splash in the free-agent class of 2018 when names like Bryce Harper, Josh Donaldson, Manny Machado, Andrew McCutchen, Dallas Keuchel, Jose Fernandez, Matt Harvey as well as Clayton Kershaw among others could become available.

Now with regard to the trade, my initial reaction was that I hated the deal, but I now find it underwhelming for a couple of reasons. First, while Jose Peraza may be a diminishing prospect in the eyes of many talent evaluators, he was still considered the highest rated prospect in the trade even if Frankie Montas has the higher upside. Second, with the Indians, Royals, and White Sox also in pursuit of Todd Frazier, the Dodgers came up with the most appealing package for the Reds...in order to send him off to Chicago.

I acknowledge that the overall package of White Sox prospects is better than the package of prospects the Dodgers gave up, but I'll argue that the alternatives were more appealing.

One of my biggest pet peeves of this front office is that it can be too smart for its own good at times. I appreciate the collective intelligence of the Dodgers' front office. I like its creativity with out-of-the-box thinking. I applaud it's thorough and deliberate approach to gathering possibilities and evaluating scenarios. I even respect the secrecy with which it operates. It's just that it also has a tendency to try to fix things that don't need fixing.

Case in point, trading away All-Star Dee Gordon in order to "improve" 2B with Howie Kendrick. It goes without saying that I like **** Hernandez, Chris Hatcher, and Austin Barnes but the depth they provide does not match up to what Dee could have provided for us as a mainstay at the keystone position with excellent defense, speed, and table-setting offense. Yes, I'm aware of Dee's lack of walks but he would have been the best option we would have for the top of the lineup. which is a role that's still not filled capably.

Also, trading away Andrew Heaney, a prospect who could have been of value now in building up prospects packages for the big-game hunting of young pitchers, for the departed Kendrick only adds insult to injury. Part of the reason, I was attached to Peraza was the hope that he could reasonably approach Dee's contributions. Apparently, that doesn't look likely with his two previous teams writing him off so quickly.

Still, Peraza is young at 21 and was at least defensively capable at 2B for the Dodgers and wasn't really given a chance to grow with hamstring injuries sidelining him late last season. The fact remains that the Dodgers have now traded two second-baseman away to teams who respectively valued them highly: Gordon in Miami and now Peraza in Cincinnati.

Part of my frustrations with this trade and the Dodgers is that the organization seems quick to give outsiders more of a chance to succeed than its own young players. Mike Bolsinger was doing a pretty good job as the 5th starter, but that didn't stop the front office from bringing in Mat Latos. I already referenced Gordon who gave way to Kendrick before briefly giving Peraza a shot. Even Corey Seager would not have played much at all last season if it were not for the injury to Jimmy Rollins.

Speaking of Latos, the Hector Olivera trade has now yielded us Luis Avilan, Alex Wood, and let's just say Frankie Montas as well as the disastrous experiences of the aforementioned Latos and Jim Johnson. Overall, the trade worked out well in recouping value from the miss of signing Olivera, but the Latos component of that deal was unnecessary, especially since it cost us a compensatory B draft pick.

I'm not at all attached to either Scott Schebler or Brandon Dixon, but I'm not sold on either Micah Johnson or Trayce Thompson, especially since both will begin the season 1 year younger than Jason Heyward as older prospects. While Johnson has the better on-base percentage, more power, and similar speed to Peraza as well as the advantage of batting left-handed to get a quicker start out of the batter's box, he is a bad defender at 2B and in the OF. He's also had leg issues in the past. Johnson couldn't win the 2B job with the White Sox, so how can he be expected to do so here? He looks to be of most use as a pinch-hitter and pinch-runner.

Thompson is noted for his athleticism, physical build, and recent improvement but he doesn't look to be more than a utility outfielder. His success in the Majors was measured by a small sample size, so it remains to be seen how well adjusted he'll be once MLB pitchers have time to figure out his tendencies. While he can play all 3 outfield positions, he's more suited in the corners. Admittedly, he does have an outside chance to realize more of his attractive potential, but as another older prospect, time is running out for him to do so.

At least Frankie Monta represents the highest upside among all the prospects traded. I've seen comparisons to Ken Giles and Pedro Baez. He's got a legit chance to be a starting pitcher as stamina doesn't seem to be an issue for him, but consistency with his pitch delivery remains a work in progress. He looks to be a good prospect and close to being ready as a relief pitcher with closing potential, so it may behoove the organization to cut his time short developing as a starter, but it has yet to do so for the likes of Grant Holmes, Chris Anderson, Josh Sborz, Jharel Cotton, and maybe Ross Stripling. All of whom are near-ready as relief pitchers but ways away from being starters, if at all. Monta has had knee issues in the past due to his excess weight, so it is imperative that he maintains his waistline.

While I have no problem with Monta currently being ranked as the 4th best prospect in the Dodgers' farm system, Johnson doesn't belong in the top 10 where he currently resides and Thompson looks more reasonable in the early 20's rather than in the mid-teens where he's currently at. The truth is I would have preferred not to have either one of Johnson or Thompson if we could have nabbed RHP Spencer Adams in their place. Adams was ranked right behind Montas at 4th overall in the White Sox's farm system even if he was outside the top 100 of all organizational prospects.

With regard to Todd Frazier, I considered him the best player in the deal and it would have been fun to watch him team up again with Joc Pederson as former Home Run Derby finalists in the Dodgers' outfield. I'm under no delusion that Frazier is a complete solution. He, like Pederson, struggled in the 2nd half of the season but not to the extent of Joc's struggles. Frazier's defense at 3B would have provided insurance in case Turner wasn't fully recovered from surgery or re-injured himself. He is also considered a good clubhouse leader.

Friedman mentioned that the Dodgers considered him at another position outside of 3B, presumably left field, but deemed that it was too risky for getting messy. Excuse me? This coming from a front office that basically told the players to suck it up and play despite complaints about Yasiel Puig. Or how about attempting to trade for Aroldis Chapman when it caused some turmoil with existing closer Kenley Jansen? Not to mention that the World Champion Kansas City Royals pursued Frazier to play LF for them. Yeah, his defense at 3B may have been wasted in the OF but I'm fairly certain he would not have been as big a problem as Friedman implied.

Plus, with the Indians also in pursuit of Frazier, what more could we have added to that package to get either Carlos Carrasco or Danny Salazar out of Cleveland? The Indians were said to have wanted major leaguers, so how about Frazier, Andre Ethier + offsetting cash, Grant Holmes and filler for Carrasco? I think it's fair to assume that the front office did its due diligence in pondering such a scenario with the Indians, but I'm curious how much further, if at all, the Dodgers would have needed to go in order to make this trade happen.

You guys know how much of a hoarder I am of draft picks and prospects, but this haul did very little to increase the overall depth of our developmental system. Getting Frazier would have alleviated, if not negated, the need to pursue an outfielder in free agency even after we (hopefully) trade Ethier and/or Carl Crawford. We'd also still have Scott Van Slyke and Scott Schebler. Again while I'm not particularly high on Schebler, he's major-league ready as an internal Ethier replacement.

In the end, I've come to terms with losing Peraza and am hopeful we can package all 3 of the newcomers in a separate trade package. Montas does add to the selection of pitching prospects that can be packaged in a deal for a young #2 starter, but contrary to what Friedman implied, his addition alone doesn't make me comfortable in trading away Julio Urias or Jose DeLeon. I'll also re-iterate that, like Seager, Urias still should not be dealt. Urias is poised to becoming the top overall prospect in baseball soon and, as it stands, he's currently ranked 4th overall.

Nobody would or should trade Byron Buxton, Seager, Lucas Giolito, or Urias for 3 years of Jose Fernadez, especially since he'll be on a restricted pitch count for 2016 due to his recent TJ surgery. At the same time, having a stable that now includes DeLeon, Montas, Alex Wood, Grant Holmes, Jharel Cotton, Chris Anderson, Zach Lee, Ross Stripling, and Joe Weiland to choose from should entice teams if and when they make their young starting pitchers available. The price tags for Fernandez, Carrasco, Sonny Gray, and Chris Archer may be exorbitantly steep, but I suspect Tyson Ross can be had for a relatively reasonable return.
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Re: Panic at the Disco 

Post#322 » by Quake Griffin » Thu Dec 17, 2015 5:51 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:How come Iwakuma hasnt been announced?

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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#323 » by Quake Griffin » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:20 pm

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Iwakuma's Health Concerns 

Post#324 » by Ranma » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:35 pm

Ranma wrote:In any case, like the delaying of Dave Roberts' introductory press conference to a more practical date, it really doesn't matter when the official signing of Hisashi Iwakuma takes place since we know that a commitment has been agreed to by both parties. Otherwise, why would Iwakuma take himself off the market while the number of potential suitors diminishes with every new signing? I'll concede a concern could entail health issues with regards to his physical, but if that were the case, I would think the agreement would be voided or otherwise adjusted. While losing Iwakuma would be unexpected, we would not have to give up a first-round pick and there are still pitchers available to pursue in Leake, Kazmir, Chen, and Maeda. Having said that, the lack of activity by the Dodgers has increased the importance of having a healthy Iwakuma on our staff.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/billplunkettocr/status/677564773941153792[/tweet]

Wow! That didn't take long. You were right to be concerned after all, Quake, but I don't view this as necessarily bad news. Obviously, it was a good thing not to sign Iwakuma if he indeed does have health issues. Also, it's not like we missed out on any free-agent pitchers we wanted to sign during this time. The Dodgers presumably knew or were concerned with Iwakuma all this time yet chose wisely not to rush into giving Cueto the deal he ended up getting. One could argue that the delay in releasing information should have helped the Dodgers in negotiations as everyone assumed a spot was filled in the rotation.

Plus, we could sign either Leake or Kazmir without losing draft pick compensation, though right-hander Leake would appeal more offering more lefty-right balance in the rotation. Maeda and Chen are options, but Chen is also left-handed and, as Neddy also pointed out in the in the International/Draft thread, Maeda would also pose a health risk given his frail body and condition of being used to pitch to the typical Japanese rotation schedule as opposed to the American one.

I wonder what the health issues are. Maybe we can renegotiate to make a it 2-year deal with a lower AAV but is he worth giving up draft compensation? That remains to be seen. The market for him should be cooled at this point as well, so there shouldn't be much of a rush to get a deal done with him, although his returning to Seattle could be in play.

I also think we're not that bad right now. We have plenty of options for a capable #5 starter if the organization would give our young pitchers a chance. One of Bolsinger, Lee, DeLeon, Frias, or Weiland should be able to handle the role depending on the results of Spring Training competition. We still have Kershaw as our ace. Anderson and Wood are solid options in the middle of the rotation, which still leaves us with an open spot for a true #2, which hasn't really changed all off-season.

It's far from ideal but we're not in a dire enough situation to rush negotiations during this inflated market environment for pitching. There's still plenty of options to fill the spot(s) in the rotation with innings eaters.
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Odorizzi Doesn't Stink 

Post#325 » by Ranma » Thu Dec 17, 2015 9:54 pm

Quake Griffin wrote:http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/rays-dodgers-discussing-jake-odorizzi.html

oh look we're after Jake Odorizzi guys.

smfh.


I've liked Odorizzi since his draft year and still do. To me, he's not a frontline starter for the Dodgers (as an ace or #2) but just a solid pitcher for any rotation with a good repertoire of pitches. My only concern would be the asking price for him.

Well, the stats below show that maybe he can reach his full potential, after all.


[tweet]https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/677609244603060224[/tweet]
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More on Iwakuma, Leake, and Kazmir 

Post#326 » by Ranma » Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:37 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/molly_knight/status/677553055437492224[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/677529423529304066[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/677528318133059584[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/677532023704133633[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/677537874024210433[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/677525929149734913[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/677525854033809409[/tweet]

Bob Nightengale, USA Today (12/17/15)
Even if the Dodgers don’t come through, Leake has options. The St. Louis Cardinals, who are sitting atop a mountain of cash that David Price or Jason Heyward didn’t take, have interest. So do the Washington Nationals and Houston Astros.

Maybe the Dodgers are better off with Leake than Iwakuma, 34, anyways. Iwakuma yielded a 3.54 ERA for the Seattle Mariners last year, but made only 20 starts over 129.2 innings, missing two months with a lat strain.
...

What he wants to get done is now obvious:

He wants to be with the Dodgers.

This is clearly his No. 1 choice, pitching for a perennial contender, in a pitcher’s ballpark, in a pitcher’s division, and being close to home.

Really, it’s perfect.

He just needs the Dodgers to cooperate, and considering the news out of Japan, perhaps this will be what ultimately brings the two together.

Mike Leake's Big Break May Have Arrived as Dodgers, Cardinals Lurk
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Greinke Almost a Giant 

Post#327 » by Ranma » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:31 am

Neddy wrote:my bet is he was minutes away from signing with the Giants. they offered him a six year, 190-ish deal. going to Arizona is no brainer tho. their state income tax is next to nothing compared to California or Oregon.


It looks like you were right, Neddy. The Giants were the team Greinke was "minutes away" from signing with, so it worked out better for us that he left for Arizona. Since Molly Knight is connected to Greinke (or at least his wife), I suspect you and her were right about him getting 6 years from San Francisco as well. Sabean probably denied it after the fact so that it can't be used against him in future negotiations, but it still seems weird that Greinke would not have signed sooner if he got the 6-year deal from the Giants. Maybe they offered it in a last-ditch effort to change his mind after he got the offer from the D-backs even with the lower AAV; they probably were hoping that his affinity for the city and team would have been enough.

Not that I'm too bitter, but I say good riddance. If he was willing to choose our archrivals despite similar deals, then I'm not going to miss him at all even with our issues with the pitching rotation. It certainly wasn't a comfortable proposition to engage in giving him the contract that he got.

It's also not going to do Quake any good to hear that the Giants quickly contacted Cueto after being spurned by Greinke and kept in touch with Samardzija who wanted to be a Giant all along. The Dodgers pursued Samardzija right after Greinke but before Iwakuma, so we lost out to two teams before landing with Iwakuma, who has long-term health concerns. And we only got Iwakuma because we offered him 3 years when Seattle wouldn't.


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Re: More Tweets, Scouting Reports, and Quotes 

Post#328 » by Neddy » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:28 am

Ranma wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/677415246206734336[/tweet]



ahhh.... to be fair, Johnson is just turning 25 in 30 hrs or so from now, and Thompson is turning 25 just right before the season opener.
Heyward is gonna be 27 in the middle of the season...

but I get your point.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#329 » by Neddy » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:35 am

Kilroy wrote:I'm glad we let Greinke walk... I have a feeling that's going to be remembered as a terrible contract.



oh ****... tried to give you a +1 but it appears I already have, and now it's been negated without the +1 icon to give it back to you. my bad. :nonono:
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+1 Again 

Post#330 » by Ranma » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:37 am

Neddy wrote:oh ****... tried to give you a +1 but it appears I already have, and now it's been negated without the +1 icon to give it back to you. my bad. :nonono:


Just refresh the screen. The [+1] button should reappear then to allow you to +1 it again.
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Re: Greinke Almost a Giant 

Post#331 » by Neddy » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:58 am

I have to think that the GIants are all in for the next three seasons to continue riding their stars' prime years to keep winning and just crash after 2018 FAs and so are the D Backs. they are gonna be strapped with Cueto+Samardzija+Pence+Posey+BUmgarner and unless they buy out Cain, they are gonna commit around 120 mil on just those guys, and Heston, Panik and Duffy will be getting arbitration money, Crawford got paid and they will be on the hook for another 15 mil that year with him, so you gotta think the core will be costing somewhere in 155 to 165 million range easily. then there are 15 other guys who need to fill out the roster. even if they are all making minimum, say 10 of them at rookie level and 5 at vet's min, that still is another 10 million to tack on. so minimum range of 165 to 175, they maybe able to add a second tier FA and they will max out. the outlook is even grimmer for the D backs as their finance is less likely to be able to absorb much more.

not saying we are gonna be dormant and wait for 2018 from today, but simply saying our future looks super bright for the next decade, not just the next 3 years Greinke was so sure about his new team.

but then again, we all knew Greinke's first, second, and the last priority in his career was earnings, not winnings.
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Re: +1 Again 

Post#332 » by Neddy » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:58 am

Ranma wrote:
Neddy wrote:oh ****... tried to give you a +1 but it appears I already have, and now it's been negated without the +1 icon to give it back to you. my bad. :nonono:


Just refresh the screen. The [+1] button should reappear then to allow you to +1 it again.


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You're Welcome, Neddy 

Post#333 » by Ranma » Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:05 am

Neddy wrote:hey thanks! :D


My pleasure, amigo. :)
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Getting Back Together with the Ex (Updated) 

Post#334 » by Ranma » Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:11 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/677717572310167553[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Mariners/status/677725263409504256[/tweet]


Edit: It's official. We're now 0 for 3 in free agent pursuits. It also seems like we negotiated the terms of the Iwakuma deal for the Mariners.

Remember to keep in mind that the front office may have deals and other options in the works ready for the trigger to be pulled. I say this not because I have blind faith since I'm just as disappointed in our off-season. However, I don't think we've really missed anything. Aside from signing either Upton or Gordon, I'm even fine with not signing any of the remaining free agent pitchers.

In any case, Chicago White Sox Senior VP / GM Rick Hahn said on MLB Hot Stove that the Dodgers initially wanted to deal directly with them in the exchange of the prospect packages, but Chicago was not interested. Friedman then mentioned that the Dodgers were certain to be able to acquire Todd Frazier from Cincinatti, so they ended up going the 3-way route to satisfy all parties.

This means that the front office had a deal for Frazier in its back pocket either to acquire him for the Dodgers or use in another deal with another team. Hopefully, that means the Dodgers have other such options in play for more appealing deals to pull the trigger on. After all, it does take a lot of groundwork to be laid in order to pull off those multi-team trades the front office is fond of doing, so it shouldn't be much of a stretch to believe that to be the case.

Also, while I personally would have preferred Frazier myself, I have to respect and even applaud to some extent that the front office identified a prospect our scouts really liked (Frankie Montas) and went after him. Let's see how the master plan plays out this winter.
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Re: Getting Back Together with the Ex (Updated) 

Post#335 » by Neddy » Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:30 am

Ranma wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/677717572310167553[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/Mariners/status/677725263409504256[/tweet]


Edit: It's official. We're now 0 for 3 in free agent pursuits. It also seems like we negotiated the terms of the Iwakuma deal for the Mariners.

Remember to keep in mind that the front office may have deals and other options in the works ready for the trigger to be pulled. I say this not because I have blind faith since I'm just as disappointed in our off-season. However, I don't think we've really missed anything. Aside from signing either Upton or Gordon, I'm even fine with not signing any of the remaining free agent pitchers.

In any case, Chicago White Sox Senior VP / GM Rick Hahn said on MLB Hot Stove that the Dodgers initially wanted to deal directly with them in the exchange of the prospect packages, but Chicago was not interested. Friedman then mentioned that the Dodgers were certain to be able to acquire Todd Frazier from Cincinatti, so they ended up going the 3-way route to satisfy all parties.

This means that the front office had a deal for Frazier in its back pocket either to acquire him for the Dodgers or use in another deal with another team. Hopefully, that means the Dodgers have other such options in play for more appealing deals to pull the trigger on. After all, it does take a lot of groundwork to be laid in order to pull off those multi-team trades the front office is fond of doing, so it shouldn't be much of a stretch to believe that to be the case.

Also, while I personally would have preferred Frazier myself, I have to respect and even applaud to some extent that the front office identified a prospect our scouts really liked (Frankie Montas) and went after him. Let's see how the master plan plays out this winter.



to be honest, even when I wanted Todd Frazier as a desperation trade to upgrade our roster, I always thought his power numbers are a mirage. despite his 35 HRs his OPS was barely around .750. he just doesn't get on base enough and his RBI doesn't seem to reflect his homerun total, which means either the reds couldn't get guys on base when Todd was up, or he is one of those guys who hits well when nobody's on base. as much as I was lured to his power numbers, his OPS is significantly behind our current 3B and LF, respectively of Turner and Ethier. I say good move by our FO.
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Frazier's Fit 

Post#336 » by Ranma » Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:55 am

Neddy wrote:to be honest, even when I wanted Todd Frazier as a desperation trade to upgrade our roster, I always thought his power numbers are a mirage. despite his 35 HRs his OPS was barely around .750. he just doesn't get on base enough and his RBI doesn't seem to reflect his homerun total, which means either the reds couldn't get guys on base when Todd was up, or he is one of those guys who hits well when nobody's on base. as much as I was lured to his power numbers, his OPS is significantly behind our current 3B and LF, respectively of Turner and Ethier. I say good move by our FO.


I actually agree with what you're saying. His power numbers did seem inflated by this home ballpark and his high strikeout totals and low peripherals were a concern, which is why I only wanted him in exchange for a prospects package that was more quantity-based than quality-based. I just thought he offered options for the team as well as insurance for Turner for the next couple of seasons. Also, he would fill in our outfield to go along with Puig and Pederson while allowing for the eventual trade of Ethier and/or Crawford.

Frazier wasn't a complete player but I thought he was a good fit for our team as an impact bat to compete for the next couple of seasons without tying ourselves to an expensive long-term deal in an environment full of exorbitant free-agent contracts and not costing us much in the way of trade assets. He's noted for being a good clubhouse presence and his defense at 3B was pretty good this past season even if it would have been a bit wasted in the outfield.

I'll further acknowledge that Frankie Monta has the highest upside for paying off bigger in the long run. I guess my priority was helping us to compete for 2016 in that instance, which goes against my normal preference of more big-picture benefits.
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Crossing Enemy Lines 

Post#337 » by Ranma » Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:38 am

I came across the video below and find it a bit funny that Greinke signed with the team that beaned him. Then again, Friedman tried to trade Ethier for Montero before landing Grandal for Kemp.

Our new hitting coach Turner Ward also got roughed up by JP Howell in the melee. I wonder how that first meeting is going to turn out.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv2N0kK6zbw[/youtube]

Another notable moment for Ward, this time as a player, was when he caught a Piazza flyball while crashing through the outfield wall.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob7U0fpl0io[/youtube]
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#338 » by Quake Griffin » Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:07 am

Very disappointing. It's one thing if we're not in on these guys and the pressure is purely just a fantasy made up in the minds of fans but it isn't. We're in on guys, making offers and getting outbid and beat to the punch. How did Kuma get 2 vesting years from Seattle? We couldn't match that? Srsly. How did we get a deal in place with him and while every team is introducing pitchers after the winter meetings (aka their physicals were done), we're a week or so out of the winter meetings and he's having a SNAFU with his physical? It doesnt make sense. We're the Dodgers. We have the money. We have the brains in the FO. Things are supposed to be getting done First Class. No fan should be expecting Iwakuma for a week if he's not coming. No fan should be expecting Aroldis for 6 hours and then told it's not going through because you don't have information the Red Sox had a month and a half before.


Anywho. I'm back to where I was originally with that deal. I'm glad to have my 1st round pick back and hoping Howie lands somewhere to turn that into 4 picks.

This isn't a bad team. It just needs pieces added to it and Ethier dealt specifically. It's nothing personal but he just has to be dealt.
It's like three goals of the offseason any casual Dodger fan can spell out:
1) #2 behind Kershaw
2) 1 more top end reliever
3) Trade Ethier.
Let's visit all 3.

These seem pretty straight forward, yet it seems like #1 can't get done because God knows what? 1st, we were going to do that by going all in on Jose Fernandez. Looks like we got laughed out of the building and instead of looking for other pitchers (Carrasco, Archer, Gray etc. etc.), we just turned out attention to Frazier? I dunno.

Then we went for O'Day? Fail. Aroldis? Fail. Jake McGee? Everyone says he makes sense but nope. Not us. Is Montas it? Nope, Friedman apparently sees that butter ball as a starting pitcher. Great replace Greinke's cat like quickness off the mound with the new Bartolo Colon.

Again, I'll ask. What is Ethier doing here? Why has another day gone by and he's still here? Are we trying and we can't deal him?


I'm not panicked, I'm just frustrated.
I'm not panicked because I know this is a good team and honestly we really have until the trade deadline to add to this roster…but we're just a move or two away from being where we need to be going into April. However, the lack of moves, the blue balls received from some of these moves getting jerked back do give me cause to pause and wonder….who exactly is dropping the ball here? Friedman? Farhan? Is it just crap shoot dumb luck that this is happening to us?

oh well. bring me a #2 starter so I can feel comfortable again.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#339 » by Quake Griffin » Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:29 am

"[The Giants and Diamondbacks] both had strong offseasons and they both made their teams a lot better. Our division is going to be more competitive in 2016 ... the bar has definitely been raised in our division and we're going to have to make sure we're not just keeping up, but continuing to play at the top of the division."

" ... When the bar is raised on the present, there is a part of you that has to react and make sure that you're keeping up with what's going on."

Word Farhan.
More like, it was raised in 2010, 2012, and 2014.
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Re: 2015 Offseason: (Mattingly out!) 

Post#340 » by Quake Griffin » Fri Dec 18, 2015 8:28 pm

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#Dodgers kept pick by declining to sign Iwakuma. Will get one for Greinke, likely another for Kendrick, further adding to prospect base.
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Extra depth only should help for trades. #Dodgers still figure to trade for one SP and sign another, plus trade for a late-inning reliever.
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Rosenthal still thinks we'll make deals.
Holding out hope guys. Still believe in this FO and I still love the trades we made last winter and at the deadline.
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