Trade Ideas (Part III)

Stillwater · Post #321 » by **Stillwater** » Wed Nov 1, 2017 8:47 pm

CaptainCanada wrote:If Cav's look like they are going to miss the playoffs would you trade Lebron?

If Lebron was on the Nets (who are not making the playoffs) would they trade him?

jcsunsfan · Post #322 » by **jcsunsfan** » Wed Nov 1, 2017 9:09 pm

Stillwater wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:If Cav's look like they are going to miss the playoffs would you trade Lebron?

If Lebron was on the Nets (who are not making the playoffs) would they trade him?

If I knew he was leaving as a free agent at the end of the year. Yes I would. But there is the hometown thing. So maybe that is a factor. Obviously, I am not a Cavs fan, so my opinion doesn't matter much.

He could bring a rebuilding haul right now. But its way to early.

Stillwater · Post #323 » by **Stillwater** » Wed Nov 1, 2017 9:16 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
CaptainCanada wrote:If Cav's look like they are going to miss the playoffs would you trade Lebron?

If Lebron was on the Nets (who are not making the playoffs) would they trade him?

If I knew he was leaving as a free agent at the end of the year. Yes I would. But there is the hometown thing. So maybe that is a factor. Obviously, I am not a Cavs fan, so my opinion doesn't matter much.

He could bring a rebuilding haul right now. But its way to early.

no owner would ever agree to trading an all time great player even if he didn't have a no trade clause which he does.
I really don't know wtf would make anyone think despite the struggles of this roster to get motivated ,that they don't have the capability of being a contender still. There is virtually 0 possibility Altman or Gilbert would ever entertain the idea even if Lebron said he was leaving next summer right now. They would do it if he demanded a trade,but he won't.
Oh and yes he is not leaving next summer, unless the org bails on him and trades away players for draft picks and rookie scale deals rendering us a non contender over the next few seasons.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #324 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Nov 2, 2017 1:41 am

Are you guys still in win now mode?

Would you consider Bledsoe for the rights to swap Brooklyn for Phoenix?

CaptainCanada · Post #325 » by **CaptainCanada** » Thu Nov 2, 2017 2:54 am

Stillwater wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
Stillwater wrote:If Lebron was on the Nets (who are not making the playoffs) would they trade him?

If I knew he was leaving as a free agent at the end of the year. Yes I would. But there is the hometown thing. So maybe that is a factor. Obviously, I am not a Cavs fan, so my opinion doesn't matter much.

He could bring a rebuilding haul right now. But its way to early.

no owner would ever agree to trading an all time great player even if he didn't have a no trade clause which he does.
I really don't know wtf would make anyone think despite the struggles of this roster to get motivated ,that they don't have the capability of being a contender still. There is virtually 0 possibility Altman or Gilbert would ever entertain the idea even if Lebron said he was leaving next summer right now. They would do it if he demanded a trade,but he won't.
Oh and yes he is not leaving next summer, unless the org bails on him and trades away players for draft picks and rookie scale deals rendering us a non contender over the next few seasons.

Stillwater, do you think Isiah Thomas coming back will help?

jcsunsfan · Post #326 » by **jcsunsfan** » Thu Nov 2, 2017 3:52 am

Stillwater wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
Stillwater wrote:If Lebron was on the Nets (who are not making the playoffs) would they trade him?

If I knew he was leaving as a free agent at the end of the year. Yes I would. But there is the hometown thing. So maybe that is a factor. Obviously, I am not a Cavs fan, so my opinion doesn't matter much.

He could bring a rebuilding haul right now. But its way to early.

no owner would ever agree to trading an all time great player even if he didn't have a no trade clause which he does.
I really don't know wtf would make anyone think despite the struggles of this roster to get motivated ,that they don't have the capability of being a contender still. There is virtually 0 possibility Altman or Gilbert would ever entertain the idea even if Lebron said he was leaving next summer right now. They would do it if he demanded a trade,but he won't.
Oh and yes he is not leaving next summer, unless the org bails on him and trades away players for draft picks and rookie scale deals rendering us a non contender over the next few seasons.

If you know he is not leaving next summer, then of course you do not even consider a trade.

jcsunsfan · Post #327 » by **jcsunsfan** » Thu Nov 2, 2017 4:52 am

Bledsoe for Shump and the right to swap the BETTER of the Phoenix 18 pick or the Miami 18 pick for the Nets 18 pick.

Post #328 » by **jbk1234** » Thu Nov 2, 2017 9:13 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:Bledsoe for Shump and the right to swap the BETTER of the Phoenix 18 pick or the Miami 18 pick for the Nets 18 pick.

Pass. The Cavs simply aren't a Bledsoe-trade away from contending rn.

Stillwater · Post #329 » by **Stillwater** » Thu Nov 2, 2017 11:39 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6961582

jcsunsfan · Post #330 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Nov 3, 2017 5:04 am

Stillwater wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6961582

That is a good effort. The Suns just are not interested in Reggie Jackson at all. Not sure if they want Drummond and his HUGE contract either.

Stillwater · Post #331 » by **Stillwater** » Fri Nov 3, 2017 10:23 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:
Stillwater wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6961582

That is a good effort. The Suns just are not interested in Reggie Jackson at all. Not sure if they want Drummond and his HUGE contract either.

Yeah I wouldn't think so either I was going off rumors that They might make a trade with Detroit involving Bledsoe,can't see Detroit doing that without moving Jackson though so if neither team wants Jackson,Detroit is stuck.

jim rockford · Post #332 » by **jim rockford** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 8:28 pm

why don't the cavs trade for a defensive big man?

biyombo, noel?? not sure if tyson chandler has anything left.... but that idea.

Stillwater · Post #333 » by **Stillwater** » Sat Nov 4, 2017 10:35 pm

jim rockford wrote:why don't the cavs trade for a defensive big man?

biyombo, noel?? not sure if tyson chandler has anything left.... but that idea.

I assume you mean a dominant rim protector as opposed to somebody like Thompson who has the athleticism to defend 3 positions easily and some guards as well (when he is motivated[first season in his career he is lacking it]) ?
I would love to add a 3rd big that offers a high level of rim protection but there are so few of those types of players that can play in a modern pro offense and also do what Thompson does that it is unlikely to be a goal of the Cav's org.
Noel would make some sense because he can do all of those things but he is not the offensive rebounding specialist that Thompson is either.
If we would have kept Tavares for this reason he would very unlikely get much pt hence the easy pass and the fact he was the only non guaranteed contract.
I would have waived and taken the tax hit on Calderon to keep Tavares for awhile for the option of playing him but it is clearly not a priority for this front office.

DroseReturnChi · Post #334 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Mon Nov 6, 2017 5:01 pm

Hi. Is the Nets pick available or which direction is the Cavs going for? (rebuilding, contender)
Here's some trade idea someone posted.
Cavs are in desperate need of a rim protector and a 3&D guy on the wing. Trade gurus is there a trade to be made built around the following players? The trade below allows the Cavs to trim long term salary, get younger and guys that better fit with their win now mode. Bulls take on 2 bad long term contracts while essentially buying a top 10 pick.

Bulls In
Shumpert
JR Smith
Nets Picl

Cavs In
RoLo
Holliday
Niko

Stillwater · Post #335 » by **Stillwater** » Mon Nov 6, 2017 5:35 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:Hi. Is the Nets pick available or which direction is the Cavs going for? (rebuilding, contender)
Here's some trade idea someone posted.
Cavs are in desperate need of a rim protector and a 3&D guy on the wing. Trade gurus is there a trade to be made built around the following players? The trade below allows the Cavs to trim long term salary, get younger and guys that better fit with their win now mode. Bulls take on 2 bad long term contracts while essentially buying a top 10 pick.

Bulls In
Shumpert
JR Smith
Nets Picl

Cavs In
RoLo
Holliday
Niko

Cavs much more likely to move their own pick with a salary dump like Frye Calderon etc then they are to move the Nets pick just for similar players to what is on the roster.
With as bad as the defense has been if it turns out that the lack of motivation is not the only issue defensively than maybe they move a rotation player with the salary dumps and the Nets pick but not for anything less than a all star.
Right now Nets still project to be bottom 5 team and so giving up the pick seems unlikely regardless.
We don't need a rim protector desperately,but would not be surprised if we added one at the deadline for cheap to use against the few teams in the league that would dominate us without the option.
If Thompson continues to lack motivation despite having no reason too he would be a candidate for deadline trades in addition to Smith who despite his defense when motivated has struggled with his shot ,and if Crowder never figures it out with this roster he also could become movable despite his grit and hustle.
We are unlikely to be interested in the players you listed,and I think the odds Shumpert is moved esp if Smith's struggles continue are extremely low.

Post #336 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Nov 6, 2017 8:29 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:Hi. Is the Nets pick available or which direction is the Cavs going for? (rebuilding, contender)
Here's some trade idea someone posted.
Cavs are in desperate need of a rim protector and a 3&D guy on the wing. Trade gurus is there a trade to be made built around the following players? The trade below allows the Cavs to trim long term salary, get younger and guys that better fit with their win now mode. Bulls take on 2 bad long term contracts while essentially buying a top 10 pick.

Bulls In
Shumpert
JR Smith
Nets Picl

Cavs In
RoLo
Holliday
Niko

The Brooklyn pick isn't available. Gilbert's not trading it & there's nothing about this team suggesting it's a single trade away from contending.

Post #337 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Nov 6, 2017 10:17 pm

I just have to say that T&T board has been a bit of a dumpster fire from the Cavs perspective since the slow start. Nearly every trade is give us the Brooklyn pick and/or Love for middling veterans - because, you know, the Cavs don't have enough of those already.

Stillwater · Post #338 » by **Stillwater** » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:03 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6965061
I'd rather we played Zizic and see what we have, but if Lue continues to refuse to use Rookies in any rotation all the way up to the deadline,then we should move him along with dumping Calderon in December if it gets us somebody like Dedmon even if it takes sending out our own first to do it as well.
We don't need a rim protector exclusive that can't shoot,but somebody like Dedmon who is a rim protector and can shoot would be a no brainer esp if we are going to try to run with everybody still.We can use the extra roster spot after Calderon goes to call up Holland or leave it open for 10 day deals late in the season.

Post #339 » by **jbk1234** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:53 pm

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Stillwater · Post #340 » by **Stillwater** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:13 pm

jbk1234 wrote:

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So I guess we might be able to bring him in after a buyout but who gets waived?
I think we would get out bid by a higher paying team unless he thinks he will get significant minutes on a contender by coming here.
Calderon adds to the tax hit if waived but really seems like the only completely untradeable roster spot eater at this point.
I don't see us trading for an expiring player unless The Suns want Thompson and Frye and are willing to part with thier own 1st for the Nets first then maybe. They would have to send us Chriss instead of scrub fill ins if no pick exchange took place given the loss of Thompson and the need for a big who has the athleticism to defend out to the 3 point line which at this point I would not count on Monroe doing effectively.https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6965468