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Re: Training Camp/Preseason 2016 

Post#321 » by Killboard » Fri Oct 14, 2016 1:32 pm

Takingbaconback wrote:That would have been great back in the day, but in today's NBA, you start with the shooting and scoring. That's by far the most important skill. Especially when you are talking about a player who has the ball in his hands more than any other player on this team by a mile.

Ricky has the ball a lot in transition, but once in the half court offense he is constantly running, cutting and passing. Since he is not looking for his own shot, you hardly will watch Ricky trying to create something with the ball other than Pick and Rolls.

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Klomp wrote:A 67-win team finished 25th in 3-pointers made last year while the team with the 9th-most 3-pointers made finished with 10 wins.


It's not about 3 pointers. It has to do with shooting and scoring.
It's just common sense that if your primary ball handler can't score, it makes it much easier for the defense vs somebody who is a threat that needs to be guarded with all out effort at all times. That's something you can't see in the box score but it's very very obvious when you watch or play basketball games.


Did you know how good our starting 5 was last year offensively? . Even the Warriors with Curry at PG and Offensive Guru Steve Kerr didnt have a better offensive rating than them. And that was with Rocket Scientist Sam Mitchel at the helm.
When Lavine, Wiggins and Towns hit their prime there isnt gonna be a best PG for them than Rubio.

MAYBE YOU CAN HAVE SOME OTHER CONCLUSSIONS ABOUT THIS POINT, I would like you the share your toughts on this.

It give mesome evidence to think:

1) Defenses respect Ricky shot with his feet set
2) Defenses know that they must respect Rubio court vision and passing enough to close the gap on him



The defense could know that Rubio isnt gonna be shooting long 2 or 3 from the dribble (which are the worst shots in the NBA anyway, and that count for Curry and/or Irving too), but ricky is a playmaker, one of the most effective and cheapest aroud the league. He dont take shots away from them and keep defense on his heels trying to figure out where and when somebody will receive the ball in a hot spot.

If Thibs can make the team play and average defense like a unit, Rubio will be a pest on defense and those who doesnt care about advanced metrics will understand why he is considered one of the best defensive PG around the league for those who does.
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Re: Training Camp/Preseason 2016 

Post#322 » by PharmD » Sat Oct 15, 2016 10:51 am

Takingbaconback wrote:
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Takingbaconback wrote:That would have been great back in the day, but in today's NBA, you start with the shooting and scoring. That's by far the most important skill. Especially when you are talking about a player who has the ball in his hands more than any other player on this team by a mile.

A 67-win team finished 25th in 3-pointers made last year while the team with the 9th-most 3-pointers made finished with 10 wins.


It's not about 3 pointers. It has to do with shooting and scoring.

It's just common sense that if your primary ball handler can't score, it makes it much easier for the defense vs somebody who is a threat that needs to be guarded with all out effort at all times. That's something you can't see in the box score but it's very very obvious when you watch or play basketball games.


And yet Rubio-Lavine-Wiggins-Towns-Gorgui had one of the highest Ortg of any 5 man unit in the league last year. They were elite offensively, which is something that both shows up in the box score and very obvious when you watch basketball games.
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Re: Training Camp/Preseason 2016 

Post#323 » by PharmD » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:00 am

http://bkref.com/tiny/C3fyJ

We weren't as good as the Cavs, Horncats or Thunders but it's the 4th best offensive 5-man unit in the NBA. Fifth was Curry-Thompson-Barnes-Green-Bogut.
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Re: Training Camp/Preseason 2016 

Post#324 » by Klomp » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:53 am

PharmD wrote:http://bkref.com/tiny/C3fyJ

We weren't as good as the Cavs, Horncats or Thunders but it's the 4th best offensive 5-man unit in the NBA. Fifth was Curry-Thompson-Barnes-Green-Bogut.

To be fair though, it could still be better and a different PG might improve those numbers. Just like GS decided it could improve its numbers by swapping out Barnes for Durant.
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Re: Training Camp/Preseason 2016 

Post#325 » by Pass_the_rock » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:04 pm

PharmD wrote:http://bkref.com/tiny/C3fyJ

We weren't as good as the Cavs, Horncats or Thunders but it's the 4th best offensive 5-man unit in the NBA. Fifth was Curry-Thompson-Barnes-Green-Bogut.


It's a very interesting table. According to it the Wolves unit had the best FG%, 2nd best only to GSW eFG%,, the best in FTA and FT%.
But it wasn't the best in pts/per100 because it had by far the lowest FGA among units present in the table. It must have been high turnovers (they are not listed in the table). I know that Rubio is a pretty low TOs guy. But the other 4 guys could contribute here.
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Re: Training Camp/Preseason 2016 

Post#326 » by Pass_the_rock » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:07 pm

Klomp wrote:
PharmD wrote:http://bkref.com/tiny/C3fyJ

We weren't as good as the Cavs, Horncats or Thunders but it's the 4th best offensive 5-man unit in the NBA. Fifth was Curry-Thompson-Barnes-Green-Bogut.

To be fair though, it could still be better and a different PG might improve those numbers. Just like GS decided it could improve its numbers by swapping out Barnes for Durant.


Different or better? I can see Curry Improving it. But let's take a former Wolves PG like Mo Williams?
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Re: Training Camp/Preseason 2016 

Post#327 » by Klomp » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:09 pm

pop.n.y. wrote:But it wasn't the best in pts/per100 because it had by far the lowest FGA among units present in the table. It must have been high turnovers (they are not listed in the table). I know that Rubio is a pretty low TOs guy. But the other 4 guys could contribute here.

They only played together for basically the last half of the season. Guessing that's why more than turnovers.
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Re: Training Camp/Preseason 2016 

Post#328 » by Pass_the_rock » Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:17 pm

Klomp wrote:
pop.n.y. wrote:But it wasn't the best in pts/per100 because it had by far the lowest FGA among units present in the table. It must have been high turnovers (they are not listed in the table). I know that Rubio is a pretty low TOs guy. But the other 4 guys could contribute here.

They only played together for basically the last half of the season. Guessing that's why more than turnovers.


They also played 647 minutes which is more than most other units in the table. But I'm surprised by their scoring efficiency numbers. The TS% is not listed but I guess it could be higher than Warriors' based on Wolves' big advantage in FTA and FT%.
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Re: Training Camp/Preseason 2016 

Post#329 » by packforfreedom » Sat Oct 15, 2016 1:55 pm

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Post#330 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:00 pm

Looks like the heat are going to go with a dleague roster tonight. They are sitting everyone.
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Post#331 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:46 pm

dieng getting some loud cheers.
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Post#332 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:46 pm

reed is dominating kat early.
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Post#333 » by Vindicater » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:00 am

Good to see us running the systems.

So pumped for next month!
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Re: Training Camp/Preseason 2016 

Post#334 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:08 am

Wiggs continuing to shoot poorly.
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Re: Training Camp/Preseason 2016 

Post#335 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:11 am

dunn is getting hounded by weber and losing the ball.
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Re: Training Camp/Preseason 2016 

Post#336 » by theGreatRC » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:20 am

How are you guys watching the game?
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Re: Training Camp/Preseason 2016 

Post#338 » by MinotauroBigNog » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:34 am

Nice to hear Wiggins has 4 rebounds at halftime
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Re: Training Camp/Preseason 2016 

Post#339 » by Varejao17 » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:50 am

Not nice to see Dieng with 0 boards in 15 minutes... He isn't our PF, OMG... :(
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Re: Training Camp/Preseason 2016 

Post#340 » by Crazy-Canuck » Sun Oct 16, 2016 1:24 am

Safe to say that Thibs is going to give KAT and Wigs as many minutes they can handle this season.

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