Shams: New York Knicks Fire Head Coach Tom Thibodeau

[knicksfan974]

This forum is hilarious to me.

You guys spend most of the time trashing Thibs, his rotations, his minutes distribution, etc, then he gets fired and you all act like he's an amazing head coach.

Hire him for your team if you think he'll win you a title.

The guy is a good coach and works hard but he has limitations that will never get him over the hump. Look at his resume. It speaks for itself. Just because he took a team that was going nowhere and made them respectable doesn't mean the team needs to be married to this dude forever.

Exactly. People need to stop acting like Thibs is some kind of supercoach, which he most certainly is not. Even the Knicks FO could see that he was not the right coach for the team going forward. The Knicks are right there, close to a championship, just need the right coach to take them there. Thibs and his out-of-date principles were not the answer here.

[knicksfan974]

Two things can be true at once. The Knicks lack depth AND they got massively outcoached.

The Knicks are top heavy, but their starting five is extremely talented and overall more talented than the Pacers'. We never maximized the rest of our starting five. Most games throughout the postseason one of OG or Bridges disappears and watches Brunson / Towns take turns ISOing.

Perhaps even with top tier coaching the Knicks still would have lost the series, I don't know. But no one can tell me Thibs got the most out of that roster. No chance.

I don't think people will agree with you.

Now they won't, because it's a narratives driven league. But before the series the general board had the Knicks as the favorites to win the series. Why? Which is it?

The Knicks had the better team on paper and still lost. This one is on Thibs and that's why he is now fired.

[Optms]

i mean Denver fired their coach right before the playoffs and it was the coach that helped them win a chip.

Pretty sure Jokic got Malone fired. Dumb decision. They are now a treadmill team.

Knicks, especially Brunson, has been vocal how much they support Thibs. This is management being idiots. And now will be a treadmill team. Like the Nuggets.

This doesn't even make any sense. Malone lost the locker room which was clear as day.

This is like saying Lakers should have kept Darvin Ham because he got the Lakers to a conference finals.

People also forget about the firing of David Blatt after he got them to 1 finals and look how that worked out for Cleveland.

One thing that is true about Thibs until proven otherwise, his players get rundown or his teams flame out in the playoffs.

Definitely risky for NYC but if they do their due diligence, there are definitely upgrades out there.

Lakers didn't fire him weeks before the playoffs though. Moving on is one thing, but the timing was off with that firing. No way you can convince me he was not run out. Jokic definitely signed off on it.

[SomeBunghole]

Without that horrible ending the Knicks could be now preparing for the Finals.

Are you actually suggesting that other than those 5-6 minutes, the Knicks were the better team in the series?

[NiceLikeChrist]

God is good. I was actually worried they wouldn’t do it despite it being so damn obvious for YEARS that we needed to move on.

But if they just replace him with Mike Malone then they are still just as stupid and haven’t learned anything. Get a NEW coach. Go and get a rookie that is under 50, under 45. I don’t care. Just get someone with a functioning brain who understands the modern game and isn’t afraid of experimentation.

[knicksfan974]

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If this true what are the chances the Knicks go with a young coach like Jared Dudley. He worked with Brunson on the Mavs staff and the players love him. Former player too of course.

I would love for the Knicks to think out of the box a bit here, like the Grizzlies did with coach Iisalo. They had the balls to pick up a young euro coach with a superb coaching resume (but with no NBA coaching experience), and even to promote him to head coach position during his first year with Memphis. I expect him to do great things for that organization and one can just hope the Knicks would find their own Iisalo.

[reload141]

I don't think people will agree with you.

Now they won't, because it's a narratives driven league. But before the series the general board had the Knicks as the favorites to win the series. Why? Which is it?

The Knicks had the better team on paper and still lost. This one is on Thibs and that's why he is now fired.

Both teams are pretty even to be honest. Losing that OT game is what killed the Knicks. That loss was on the players.

[knicksfan974]

Without that horrible ending the Knicks could be now preparing for the Finals.

Are you actually suggesting that other than those 5-6 minutes, the Knicks were the better team in the series?

What I'm suggesting is that going back to MSG for G7, everything would have been possible for the Knicks. But you are right, Thibs was outcoached most of the series and that's why he had to go.

[Johnny Bball]

I don't think people will agree with you.

Now they won't, because it's a narratives driven league. But before the series the general board had the Knicks as the favorites to win the series. Why? Which is it?

The Knicks had the better team on paper and still lost. This one is on Thibs and that's why he is now fired.

FFS. So if they lost to Cleveland instead in the ECF, that would be fine then? Do you see any flaw in your argument yet? Or that maybe some people can't understand that paper?

[SalsaNchips]

Grass will not be greener

[MrPainfulTruth]

Knicks back to irrelevancy moving forward. It was fun lol

They'll compete with the hornets and the lakers for the least relevant team lol

[knicksfan974]

Now they won't, because it's a narratives driven league. But before the series the general board had the Knicks as the favorites to win the series. Why? Which is it?

The Knicks had the better team on paper and still lost. This one is on Thibs and that's why he is now fired.

FFS. So if they lost to Cleveland instead in the ECF, that would be fine then? Do you see any flaw in your argument yet? Or that maybe some people can't understand that paper?

No it wouldn't have been fine. Thibs was not the right coach for this team, anyone who watched more of the Knicks knows this.

[Roscoe Sheed]

I wonder if the players were just tired of playing for him- not just physically, but mentally too. The guy seems incapable of smiling. It wears on you after a while to be around a person like that. They need a coach that brings some joy to the court.

[LAvision]

Pretty sure Jokic got Malone fired. Dumb decision. They are now a treadmill team.

Knicks, especially Brunson, has been vocal how much they support Thibs. This is management being idiots. And now will be a treadmill team. Like the Nuggets.

This doesn't even make any sense. Malone lost the locker room which was clear as day.

This is like saying Lakers should have kept Darvin Ham because he got the Lakers to a conference finals.

People also forget about the firing of David Blatt after he got them to 1 finals and look how that worked out for Cleveland.

One thing that is true about Thibs until proven otherwise, his players get rundown or his teams flame out in the playoffs.

Definitely risky for NYC but if they do their due diligence, there are definitely upgrades out there.

Lakers didn't fire him weeks before the playoffs though. Moving on is one thing, but the timing was off with that firing. No way you can convince me he was not run out. Jokic definitely signed off on it.

The timing was fine, they didn’t want to risk a joker wonder ride to the WCF making it harder to fire to the fans. In the end it worked out, took the champs to 7.

[bronxknicksfan1]

Without that horrible ending the Knicks could be now preparing for the Finals.

Are you actually suggesting that other than those 5-6 minutes, the Knicks were the better team in the series?

Been saying it the entire time. If Carlisle and Thibs switched places, Knicks would win that series in 5/6.

[bronxknicksfan1]

Now they won't, because it's a narratives driven league. But before the series the general board had the Knicks as the favorites to win the series. Why? Which is it?

The Knicks had the better team on paper and still lost. This one is on Thibs and that's why he is now fired.

Both teams are pretty even to be honest. Losing that OT game is what killed the Knicks. That loss was on the players.

It’s on Thibs as well. Why would you take out the lineup that gave you a 17 point lead and put in Brunson, who had 5 fouls at the time, at the 5 min mark in the 4th quarter? He was getting attacked the entire time.

[ArksNetsSince99]

Seen this play out before. Thibs gets the most out his scoring PGs and team defense. Pacers were just a better roster 1-12. They steamrolled the Bucks and Cavs. Might've had some benefit with opponent's injuries, but so did NYK with the Celtics.

The only silver lining is there are some good coaches available, but I don't think their personalities will be way different than Thibs'.

Its the circle of Thibodeau. He gets a mediocre team to overachieve. Fanbase and front office are convinced their mediocre players are really stars if they just had a more player friendly coach. Thibs gets fired. Team slides back to mediocrity or worse.

Fred Hoiberg is available. I wonder if the Knicks go that route.

It could be Hoiberg... or Phil after Collins. You've seen both sides of this.

It could be Steve Nash

[ArksNetsSince99]

They most certainly underachieved in ECF, and that's on Thibs. And that got him fired.

In an unrelated news, Inter Milan did manage to get to thr Champions League Final, but now the coach is out after 5-0 trashing by PSG.

If you fail in the biggest moment then you must pay the price.

Underachieved? Not a single thing person had them making it that far.

On paper the Knicks had a stronger roster than the Pacers. That ECF series loss is on Thibs, and obviously the Knicks FO agrees.

Pacers have a team , Knicks have a poo poo platter on paper

[NiceLikeChrist]

Take notes from the Bucks - you can fire a good coach in hopes of something better, and it's totally possible it does get better. But it's also super possible it gets colossally **** worse. Thankfully for Knicks fans, unlike the Bucks organization I don't think the current Knicks organization is ran by dudes who sniff paint.

The bucks fired a coach and hired an even worse coach. That’s their problem. Hopefully we will be smarter. No mike Malone.

[JustBuzzin]

Don't ask me how I know.

Keep an eye out for Ty Lue as the next Knicks HC.