Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II)

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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II) 

Post#341 » by DCasey91 » Sat May 22, 2021 5:16 am

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clyde21 wrote:you guys haven't been embarrassed enough yet?


Did Curry win a Finals MVP Yet?


that's literally all u guys have left, milk it as much as you want, Steph's a top 15 player of all time already without taking another dribble on the court

must suck


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No he’s not. Still needs a couple of years to add on before a Dirk vs Curry debate starts imo.

Both Him and Durant are top 20 range with Barkley, Erving, 2x Malone, Mikan, Pettit for me.
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II) 

Post#342 » by clyde21 » Sat May 22, 2021 5:19 am

DCasey91 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
Spintown wrote:
Did Curry win a Finals MVP Yet?


that's literally all u guys have left, milk it as much as you want, Steph's a top 15 player of all time already without taking another dribble on the court

must suck


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Bryant
West
Garnett
Nowitzki

No he’s not. Still needs a couple of years to add on before a Dirk vs Curry debate starts imo.

Both Him and Durant are top 20 range with Barkley, Erving, 2x Malone, Mikan, Pettit for me.


Steph over Dirk/West/Big O for me
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II) 

Post#343 » by CptCrunch » Sat May 22, 2021 5:19 am

Curry would be the perfect role player on the LeBron's Lakers next season. LeBron will lead the team. Curry can get his open shots.

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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II) 

Post#344 » by Sofia » Sat May 22, 2021 5:22 am

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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II) 

Post#345 » by DCasey91 » Sat May 22, 2021 5:25 am

clyde21 wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
that's literally all u guys have left, milk it as much as you want, Steph's a top 15 player of all time already without taking another dribble on the court

must suck


Jordan
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Kareem
Wilt
Russell
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O’Neal
Bird
Olajuwon
Robertson
Bryant
West
Garnett
Nowitzki

No he’s not. Still needs a couple of years to add on before a Dirk vs Curry debate starts imo.

Both Him and Durant are top 20 range with Barkley, Erving, 2x Malone, Mikan, Pettit for me.


Steph over Dirk/West/Big O for me


On what basis though? Give Prime Dirk/West/Big O
Prime Green/Durant/Klay then Iggy the top 15 would mail in chips too. Peak Garnett on the GSW would be filth too.

I get the argument for peak but longevity Curry is far way off even Durant here. Dirk had a multiple 50-60 win seasons should see the team he got those wins with.
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II) 

Post#346 » by CptCrunch » Sat May 22, 2021 5:26 am

all 13 turnovers, you can't even say 10+ of those aren't his fault

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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II) 

Post#347 » by clyde21 » Sat May 22, 2021 5:30 am

DCasey91 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
Jordan
James
Kareem
Wilt
Russell
Duncan
Johnson
O’Neal
Bird
Olajuwon
Robertson
Bryant
West
Garnett
Nowitzki

No he’s not. Still needs a couple of years to add on before a Dirk vs Curry debate starts imo.

Both Him and Durant are top 20 range with Barkley, Erving, 2x Malone, Mikan, Pettit for me.


Steph over Dirk/West/Big O for me


On what basis though? Give Prime Dirk/West/Big O
Prime Green/Durant/Klay then Iggy the top 15 would mail in chips too. Peak Garnett on the GSW would be filth too.

I get the argument for peak but longevity Curry is far way off even Durant here. Dirk had a multiple 50-60 win seasons should see the team he got those wins with.


under what basis are those players ahead of Steph?
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II) 

Post#348 » by lotus123 » Sat May 22, 2021 5:30 am

lol, these curry fanboys.
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Post#349 » by DCasey91 » Sat May 22, 2021 5:31 am

CptCrunch wrote:all 13 turnovers, you can't even say 10+ of those aren't his fault

https://streamable.com/0ulz70


11/13 were direct Curry mistakes from poor ball handling/decision making/poor passing. Was never impressed with him as a passer fwiw. The assist/to goes up when he shothunts and scores more and his defense/assists/rebounds goes down but he has not much of a choice when he doesn’t have ATG facilitating/playmaking skills, that would make him impossible to guard for his size.
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Post#350 » by MarcusBrody » Sat May 22, 2021 5:46 am

This wasn't his best game, but this certainly wasn't on Curry.

The only real consistent weakness it highlighted for me is that he's just too small to really punish the hard double. His passes out of it end up being around the trapping players to a nearby man, who attacks with an advantage, but the floor isn't totally shifted. Bigger players can pass over the top to different parts of the floor and so be one step ahead of punishing the trap.
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Post#351 » by Retro_Junkball » Sat May 22, 2021 6:01 am

Exposed as what? He's got an outside shot at top 15 all-time. Personally, I'm not sure he's top 20 due to defense. But he's assuredly top 15 in offense and a bad game, or five, won't change that.
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Post#352 » by Shock Defeat » Sat May 22, 2021 6:01 am

Curry got exposed as a glorified SG in a PG's body. He can't pass or playmake for others. It's quite jarring that guys like Harden can average 10+ assists while Curry has never even come close to that in his career. Whenever he tries to make a play he usually turns it over.
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II) 

Post#353 » by DCasey91 » Sat May 22, 2021 6:22 am

Shock Defeat wrote:Curry got exposed as a glorified SG in a PG's body. He can't pass or playmake for others. It's quite jarring that guys like Harden can average 10+ assists while Curry has never even come close to that in his career. Whenever he tries to make a play he usually turns it over.


Seeing over the top of the defense and being a bigger/stronger guard is a massive adv (LBJ, Magic, Luka, Harden etc.) what isn’t excusable is the passing aspect, great great smaller guards are better passers for me imo.
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II) 

Post#354 » by syntax » Sat May 22, 2021 6:25 am

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Shock Defeat wrote:Curry got exposed as a glorified SG in a PG's body. He can't pass or playmake for others. It's quite jarring that guys like Harden can average 10+ assists while Curry has never even come close to that in his career. Whenever he tries to make a play he usually turns it over.


Seeing over the top of the defense and being a bigger/stronger guard is a massive adv (LBJ, Magic, Luka, Harden etc.) .


You left out Simmons.
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II) 

Post#355 » by DCasey91 » Sat May 22, 2021 6:31 am

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Shock Defeat wrote:Curry got exposed as a glorified SG in a PG's body. He can't pass or playmake for others. It's quite jarring that guys like Harden can average 10+ assists while Curry has never even come close to that in his career. Whenever he tries to make a play he usually turns it over.


Seeing over the top of the defense and being a bigger/stronger guard is a massive adv (LBJ, Magic, Luka, Harden etc.) .


You left out Simmons.


Simmons has dependency issues at times he generates a crap ton of threes with space and shooters but once the space closes in on him he isn’t as effective (handle, lateral, touch, scoring etc.) he’s a great passer for his size no doubt about it. Don’t worry I’ve watched him and Embiid the most, put him with Klay/Steph it’s easy 10+ assists a night like Green though Ben is straight better in that aspect.
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II) 

Post#356 » by syntax » Sat May 22, 2021 6:35 am

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Seeing over the top of the defense and being a bigger/stronger guard is a massive adv (LBJ, Magic, Luka, Harden etc.) .


You left out Simmons.


Simmons has dependency issues at times he generates a crap ton of threes with space and shooters but once the space closes in on him he isn’t as effective (handle, lateral, touch, scoring etc.)


Can you back that up with anything other than your opinion?

Have you seen him play with a team where if the "space closes in on him" they have 3pt shooters to punish the defense? Edit: Yes you have, and they won the East.
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II) 

Post#357 » by LoneyROY » Sat May 22, 2021 6:42 am

What a storybook ending for the Curry stans on here puffing their chests out in the regular season to what ultimately amounted to empty stats and no playoff berth.

You hate to see it. Oh wait, no I don't.

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Post#358 » by Saint Lazarus » Sat May 22, 2021 6:43 am

syntax wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
Shock Defeat wrote:Curry got exposed as a glorified SG in a PG's body. He can't pass or playmake for others. It's quite jarring that guys like Harden can average 10+ assists while Curry has never even come close to that in his career. Whenever he tries to make a play he usually turns it over.


Seeing over the top of the defense and being a bigger/stronger guard is a massive adv (LBJ, Magic, Luka, Harden etc.) .


You left out Simmons.


Simmons is closer to Lonzo Ball than he is to Lebron/Harden when it comes to playmaking, and I'm not even that big on Lebron's playmaking.
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II) 

Post#359 » by Pelly24 » Sat May 22, 2021 6:45 am

Honestly, we can talk about Curry's shortcomings, etc. but to me, it comes down to a principle I got from watching DBZ years ago. Goku was fighting frieza and losing kinda badly. On King Kai's planet, Goku's friend Yamcha says not to worry about the fight, because Goku still has his Kaioken times 10 technique—which amplifies your power 10 fold or whatever. But King Kain rains on his parade when he says that Goku had actually been using the technique the whole time. He had to use that technique to even keep the fight somewhat close. That's really my takeaway when watching all of these outmatched/outgunned superstars. They have to use all of their powers for it to even be close, so of course they'll make mistakes and won't be perfect. Curry averaged like 40 ppg on 63 TS% over the last three games, and thats with him being doubled and tripled constantly. Tonight, he played the whole second half, as a 33-year-old no less. That's hard to do in general, but the warriors are devoid of anyone you could call a truly above average offensive option. Wiggins was solid this year on the two-way front and he scored some points, but he's essentially got no basketball IQ and no savvy. Not his fault he was hyped to no end, just is what it is. Draymond has been very helpful this year with defense and passing and he had a triple double. But he's a complete liability and teams literally do not guard him at all. The rest of the guys are either really young or G-League type guys. Basically in these games, Curry and people in similar situations have to make every single big play. The same thing happened when Russ played the rockets in the 2017 playoffs. People clowned Russ with that gentleman's sweep and pointed to percentages. But they actually outscored the Rockets when Russ was on the court. But people just focused on the stats.

Curry is a good floor-raiser. If he would've played 4 or 5 more games the Warriors possibly duck the play-in. If they hadn't drafted Wiseman and had just gotten an actually decent big they would've been fine. Maybe get an actual capable scoring/passing point guard. Anything. They played at a 49-win pace (regular year) when Curry was healthy. Really, that's better than I even expected.
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Re: Stephen Curry has been totally exposed (Part II) 

Post#360 » by syntax » Sat May 22, 2021 6:50 am

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syntax wrote:
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Seeing over the top of the defense and being a bigger/stronger guard is a massive adv (LBJ, Magic, Luka, Harden etc.) .


You left out Simmons.


Simmons is closer to Lonzo Ball than he is to Lebron/Harden when it comes to playmaking, and I'm not even that big on Lebron's playmaking.


Simmons has the most assists to 3pt shooters in the league.

Sixers are 2nd best defensive team and 10th in pace. This is because of Simmons. Name me another team even close to those defense/pace numbers. That is all Simmons.

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