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Re: tryin' to get paid - the gerald henderson thread 

Post#361 » by fatlever » Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:46 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:Interesting Gerald Henderson stat - he's averaging 5 shots at the rim per game during the month of March. His average for the season is 3.2.

I think it definitely confirms the eye test - when he's motivated he goes to the rim more and hence scores more.


feel-o-meter has always told me that when hendo is aggressive he has more impact on the game. hendo needs to play like a bull in a china shop to really show his value. he isnt a finesse player. he is at his best when he is driving at the rim, getting to the ft line, posting up his defender, running hard on the breaks and really getting under the skin of his opponent on defense. hendo needs force his will on a game. when he is passive and floats around the perimeter he just doesnt do us much good.

the feel-o-meter also tells me that when hendo is mad, plays against superior players or teams, plays in high profile games or is just generally more motivated, he tends to be more aggressive. not really sure how to prove any of this, since his ppg is relatively the same vs good and bad teams.

maybe his coaches and teammates need to figure out how to get hendo pissed off before every game. perhaps they can tell him he sucks at golf or that duke should be relocated to new jersey.
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Re: tryin' to get paid - the gerald henderson thread 

Post#362 » by LamarMatic7 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:04 pm

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LamarMatic7 wrote:Interesting Gerald Henderson stat - he's averaging 5 shots at the rim per game during the month of March. His average for the season is 3.2.

I think it definitely confirms the eye test - when he's motivated he goes to the rim more and hence scores more.

What website do you use to find this kind of statistic?

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Post#363 » by LamarMatic7 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:04 pm

fatlever wrote:maybe his coaches and teammates need to figure out how to get hendo pissed off before every game. perhaps they can tell him he sucks at golf or that duke should be relocated to new jersey.

Jordan should challenge him more often since it seems to hype him up.
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Post#364 » by BlackOutBuzz » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:13 am

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Gerald Henderson on free-agency: "Bobcats have stuck with me, so if we can work it out, that would be a good thing."

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Post#365 » by thruthefire » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:25 am

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Post#366 » by HornetJail » Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:25 am

I'd pay him Afflalo money and not blink. He's been fantastic.
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Post#367 » by ccbballin » Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:02 pm

Based on work ethic, personality, potential and past 10 to 15 games he's up to about 10 million a year IMO. Plus he's my favorite player. And the salary cap is supposed to be up to 70 million so that should help but thats prolly aready been discussed. :pray:
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Post#368 » by penquin11 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:07 pm

10 seems high to me, 6-8 a year would be better.
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Post#369 » by fatlever » Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:35 pm

10 mil a season? are you serious?

hendo is putting up nice stats in the last month of his rookie contract on an awful team with nothing to play for. lets not confuse the situation.

it would be a massive mistake to tie up a ton of cap space for hendo on a deal like that. he has been a starter on a team that has won 24 games in two years. what makes anyone think that his stats will all of a sudden start translating to a bunch of wins when it counts?

anything more than 6 mil is mistake.

if i am wrong about that, then i will gladly eat crow.

3 years for 18 mil and a player option after the 2nd year. if hendo continues to blow up, he can opt out in 2015 and get seriously paid. if he continues to be an average shooting guard who occasionally gets hot, while playing on a bad team, then his contract is probably a bit high, but reasonable.
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Post#370 » by fatlever » Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:55 pm

hendo is having a career month, averaging 19ppg on 46.7% shooting. the bobcats are 4-10 in march, which is a winning % around 28%. the bobcats were 13-44 before march, which is a 23% winning %. so hendo's best month of his career helped raised our winning % by 5% (some of which is also explained by mcroberts, playing against teams who have given up, MKG bounce back). we are still a terrible team with hendo having a career month.

unless he puts up 34 points like last night, hendo or no hendo will not matter much in the win column. as stated many times before, there are plenty of shooting guards who would kill to get 35 minutes a night and a green light on a bad team.

the only thing this recent run of good form has done make drafting mclemore (or another sg) less of a priority, which allows us to focus on the real problem, the lack of any bigs.

hendo still needs become more of a 3pt threat and still needs to improve his passing and playmaking before he should be considered as a player worth giving that kind of money to.
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Post#371 » by Eoghan » Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:55 pm

I'd be okay with anything up to 7 mil but would much prefer a couple million less obviously.
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Post#372 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:31 pm

ccbballin wrote:Based on work ethic, personality, potential and past 10 to 15 games he's up to about 10 million a year IMO. Plus he's my favorite player. And the salary cap is supposed to be up to 70 million so that should help but thats prolly aready been discussed. :pray:


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Post#373 » by LamarMatic7 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:34 pm

I can't believe that some of you people are actually buying into Hendo's obvious quest for a new contract. You're as bad as NBA GM's.
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Post#374 » by LamarMatic7 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:09 pm

You've heard my thoughts on his game and this current hot streak plenty of times but I also don't like the general idea of signing a wing player of his talent level and physical abilities to anything more than 6 mil.

I think it's the era of 6-7 and 6-8 guards, small forwards who can knock down the corner three, attack the basket, guard their own man and be good team defenders. It's not a knock on Hendo but I don't think that he's guy you need in today's game. I sure hope Jeff Taylor will be that guy one day, you guys seem to get down on him a lot but I still like what we got out of him considering that he's the 31st pick.

To prove my point just look at one of the smart teams - San Antonio. They gave away George Hill so they wouldn't have to extend his contract to draft an over-looked rookie in Kawhi Leonard and develop Danny Green, someone who wouldn't even be in the league if it wasn't for them just because the rest of the 29 teams underrated him.

This tells me that there are plenty of 6-7 athletic swingmen to be found who will be a lot more valuable on their rookie deals than Hendo playing for 7 or 8 mil. I agree with fats that we shouldn't pay him more than 6, but when you consider the lack of great shooting guards and that some dumb GM's will be fooled by his March stats, I think he'll get more.
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Post#375 » by ccbballin » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:09 pm

Maybe 10 is too high but how do the brothers Gordon get what theyre making - Ben at 12 and Eric at 13. SG numbers are all over the place. Im going alot on the fact that he still has potential and seems to want to continue to improve. 10 is his ceiling right now to me.
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Post#376 » by HornetJail » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:11 pm

Ben Gordon is a BAD contract. EG lives up to his deal when healthy (never).

Gerald will get an Afflalo-like contract. If he gets more than $8M/yr then it's starting to get too high.
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Post#377 » by fatlever » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:19 pm

re: eric gordon - check out the win loss % when he plays vs when he doesnt. he makes a big difference. he isnt a franchise cornerstone and he has serious problems staying healthy, but he is talented enough to be a great #3 option on a final champions, good #2 option on a really good playoff team or a #1 option on a deep, average playoff team. hendo isnt even good enough to be a consistent #1 option on the worst team in the league. i think there is a massive talent gap between hendo and eric gordon.

i also dont think hendo is the ideal fit next to kemba and MKG. this is something that we dont discuss enough. kemba and MKG are long-term pieces to this team. they would be best complimented playing next to a really good 3pt threat with size.
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Post#378 » by LamarMatic7 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:19 pm

ccbballin wrote:Maybe 10 is too high but how do the brothers Gordon get what theyre making - Ben at 12 and Eric at 13. SG numbers are all over the place. Im going alot on the fact that he still has potential and seems to want to continue to improve. 10 is his ceiling right now to me.

Umm, I don't think they are brothers... but it doesn't matter...

So do you think those are good contracts? What have both of them actually achieved since inking those deals? Ben has been an inefficient all-offense and no-defense guy for a bunch of 20 and 30-win Pistons teams. Eric has yet to play in the playoffs, is also a bad defensive player (to be fair, he might have improved as I haven't seen him that much as of recent, for obvious reasons, yet I highlight doubt it... I'll stick to the memories I have of him) and seems to be on the same path that Ben is on. A scorer who gives you 18-points, shoots 43% from the field, doesn't contribute much else and seems to be a bit of an arrogant **** (at least judging from the differences he has with coach Monty Williams). Obviously, injuries have affected his career, so it might be a bit unfair but it's just the way it is.

I don't see any legit playoff team ever having a Ben or Eric Gordon type of player on their roster for 13 mil a year.

I'll rather search for the next Chase Budinger in the second round of the draft and will enjoy the 4 years I'll play him 4 million.
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Post#379 » by LamarMatic7 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:21 pm

fatlever wrote:re: eric gordon - check out the win loss % when he plays vs when he doesnt. he makes a big difference. he isnt a franchise cornerstone and he has serious problems staying healthy, but he is talented enough to be a great #3 option on a final champions, good #2 option on a really good playoff team or a #1 option on a deep, average playoff team. hendo isnt even good enough to be a consistent #1 option on the worst team in the league. i think there is a massive talent gap between hendo and eric gordon.


He'll never be that third option on this contract though, will he?
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Post#380 » by ccbballin » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:36 pm

There's very few high paid players worthy of their contracts. You could say Kobe is way overpaid at this point in his career. But you gotta pay somebody. Why not pay somebody that wants to be here.

As far as Hendo not being the right fit, I think Kemba is not the best fit. I would like to see us with a pass first PG and see how the team plays.

If he stays injury free and improves from where he is now he'll be worth 10 million 3 years from now.

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