PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus

[frogfood]

I just looked it up. Sasha hasn't scored in like 10 games. WHY??!!

[JXL]

It's Year 2 in the PJax era. Even he knows he can't make this a playoff team overnight. But Alan Hahn said it best: he needs to get major talent in free agency this summer, as well as drop his desire for a triangle-based coach.

Correct. Signs Thibs, declare victory, move on.

Or we can just tank again next year, which would be in our best long term interests. Getting a second star to play with Porzingis is more important than a playoff run with Thibs.

Then you want to admit the 76ers route, which is what PJax wants to avoid.

[Red Vines]

I'm not worried about our future, I'm just wondering how long it will take until we start focusing on it.

[god shammgod]

I just looked it up. Sasha hasn't scored in like 10 games. WHY??!!

[Sark]

Correct. Signs Thibs, declare victory, move on.

Or we can just tank again next year, which would be in our best long term interests. Getting a second star to play with Porzingis is more important than a playoff run with Thibs.

Then you want to admit the 76ers route, which is what PJax wants to avoid.

You need talent to win in the NBA, and it really really helps when you can get it cheap through the draft. Overpaying for free agents never works unless you get a transcendent star.

We're not gonna win anything before 2020. It's time to face that fact and prepare for it in the best possible way.

[F N 11]

Only with our fanbase are the likes of Jimmer and Wroten saviors... Gimme a break.

Anybody is a savior over Jose and Sasha.

[thebuzzardman]

Or we can just tank again next year, which would be in our best long term interests. Getting a second star to play with Porzingis is more important than a playoff run with Thibs.

Then you want to admit the 76ers route, which is what PJax wants to avoid.

You need talent to win in the NBA, and it really really helps when you can get it cheap through the draft. Overpaying for free agents never works unless you get a transcendent star.

We're not gonna win anything before 2020. It's time to face that fact and prepare for it in the best possible way.

Have to agree. I went on a rant about the 76'ers approach in another thread, where I basically said it's a good thing, as the NBA is structured in a way that limits player movement so it's logical to tank. Rightly, it was pointed out that having a crap losing culture for too long is bad as well. I say a "Modified Hinke" is the way to go; purposely suck for 2-3 years (with picks), then move to acquire better, good clubhouse players, possibly trade a young redundant piece for a similarly talented need.

NBA is organized to keep stars on the team that drafted them. This, with the cap, limits player movement, and for whatever reason, the NBA/basketball is a sport where having a few superior players goes a long way.

Tanking in the NBA is a logical approach.

[F N 11]

Jimmer is a complete bum and is getting his name chanted at MSG...I doubt that any of the players would want him back on another 10 day. This is some clown sh*t, he's a sideshow

Once again, you rather see Sasha and Jose? He's not the savior but fans want to see someone else try to do something. Sasha and Jose has had their chance and they're old.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

How could people possibly think that this is worse than the Isaiah years? Really? Some of y'all must have forgotten where we came from. Our situation isn't great, but it can be improved, and it isn't hopeless.

Agreed.

People complaining about the Calderon trade? How about giving up 2 lottery picks, 2 2nd rounders, and $14 million expiring contract for the right to overpay Eddy Curry on a 6 year deal?

Upset that we "overpaid" RoLo, KOQ, or D-Will? Isiah signed BOTH Jared Jeffries and Jerome James to 5-year $30 million contracts.

Concerned about coaching instability? We had 4 different coaches under Isiah, and really 5 if you count Don Chaney, who was fired when Isiah took over.

Mad about losing? This years team is currently on pace to win as many games as the Knicks' best year under Isiah. Think about that for a second. The Knicks also had the highest payroll in the NBA under Isiah and twice won just 23 games.

And Isiah did all this while also setting us back years by giving away 1st round picks and consistently trading expiring contracts for longer bad contracts. He's rightfully considered one of the worst GMs in the history of sports.

[2010]

The excuses people make for Phil is laughably embarrassing. This guy exiled Dolan, is responsible for every player on the roster, he flip-flops the game plan, made the horrible trade for Calderon, struck out on every single meaningful free agent, implemented this awful system that is dependent on HOF talent (which we don't have) to work, hired a novice at elite head coach salary, fired him after less than 2 yrs, wants to remove the interim tag from Rambis merely because he is his puppet and friend, and yet somehow people are still finding a way to blame Dolan and Mills.

UNBELIEVABLE

[NYKnicksTAPE]

How could people possibly think that this is worse than the Isaiah years? Really? Some of y'all must have forgotten where we came from. Our situation isn't great, but it can be improved, and it isn't hopeless.

Agreed.

People complaining about the Calderon trade? How about giving up 2 lottery picks, 2 2nd rounders, and $14 million expiring contract for the right to overpay Eddy Curry on a 6 year deal?

Upset that we "overpaid" RoLo, KOQ, or D-Will? Isiah signed BOTH Jared Jeffries and Jerome James to 5-year $30 million contracts.

Concerned about coaching instability? We had 4 different coaches under Isiah, and really 5 if you count Don Chaney, who was fired when Isiah took over.

Mad about losing? This years team is currently on pace to win as many games as the Knicks' best year under Isiah. Think about that for a second. The Knicks also had the highest payroll in the NBA under Isiah and twice won just 23 games.

And Isiah did all this while also setting us back years by giving away 1st round picks and consistently trading expiring contracts for longer bad contracts. He's rightfully considered one of the worst GMs in the history of sports.

Yeah, people's hate for Phil is starting to make them say some ridiculous things. This season sucks, but it would've been the best one we had under Isaiah. KP alone trumps everything that happened during that time.

We also had the Anucha Brown scandal, the brawl at MSG, and countless other embarrassing things happen to this team under Isaiah.

[duetta]

, and yet somehow people are still finding a way to blame Dolan and Mills.

Can you explain to me why we're not talking about who we're likely to draft in June to complement KP? And please address who was responsible for the Knicks becoming CAA's butt boys.

[F N 11]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/704874577407528960[/tweet]

Oh Great, this Melo is back.

[JXL]

The excuses people make for Phil is laughably embarrassing. This guy exiled Dolan, is responsible for every player on the roster, he flip-flops the game plan, made the horrible trade for Calderon, struck out on every single meaningful free agent, implemented this awful system that is dependent on HOF talent (which we don't have) to work, hired a novice at elite head coach salary, fired him after less than 2 yrs, wants to remove the interim tag from Rambis merely because he is his puppet and friend, and yet somehow people are still finding a way to blame Dolan and Mills.

UNBELIEVABLE

So you would rather have the tyranny and total incompetence of Dolan making the big decisions again? Do you want the Isiah era to return? Are you that narrow-minded?

Sometimes I think this fanbase needs the insane asylum badly.

[Knicks Byke]

It's Year 2 in the PJax era. Even he knows he can't make this a playoff team overnight. But Alan Hahn said it best: he needs to get major talent in free agency this summer, as well as drop his desire for a triangle-based coach.

he's not gonna get major talent when we're this bad. and i doubt he'll go after thibbs either. a tiger doesn't change his stripes.

a tiger can become a liger

[Blue Ninja]

Or we can just tank again next year, which would be in our best long term interests. Getting a second star to play with Porzingis is more important than a playoff run with Thibs.

Then you want to admit the 76ers route, which is what PJax wants to avoid.

You need talent to win in the NBA, and it really really helps when you can get it cheap through the draft. Overpaying for free agents never works unless you get a transcendent star.

We're not gonna win anything before 2020. It's time to face that fact and prepare for it in the best possible way.

I agree the NBA is all about talent, but the 76ers mentality is not the way to go. Losing breeds losers. Guys who don't play every facet of the game. I think now that we are out of a playoff race, you're seeing KP being less focused. Missed a few box outs yesterday and just settling/not being very aggressive.

Look at the top teams in the NBA. How many of them have tanked multiple years? Top 4 in the east (Cleveland, Toronto, Boston, and Miami) haven't successfully tanked. Cleveland tried to, but they wouldn't be even close to competing if LeBron didn't want back home. Top 4 in the west (Warriors, Spurs, Clippers and Thunder) mostly didn't. The Thunder is the only one who did successfully.

It's more about hitting on your draft picks and development. Losing often times doesn't bring you success. Look at the TWolves for example. You need to attempt to win.

[Knicks Byke]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/704874577407528960[/tweet]

Oh Great, this Melo is back.

melo missing that dunk and falling last night explains the whole season

[F N 11]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/meyersleonard11/status/704880090077908992[/tweet]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/jimmerfredette/status/704882246113738752[/tweet]

The twiiter feed back are hilarious tho.
"white on white crime"
"Jimmer never forgives. Jimmer never Foredette."

What happened here? What did I miss?

[F N 11]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/fisolanydn/status/704888573896597505[/tweet]

This is brutal AF lmaoooo

[Greenie]

How could people possibly think that this is worse than the Isaiah years? Really? Some of y'all must have forgotten where we came from. Our situation isn't great, but it can be improved, and it isn't hopeless.

Agreed.

People complaining about the Calderon trade? How about giving up 2 lottery picks, 2 2nd rounders, and $14 million expiring contract for the right to overpay Eddy Curry on a 6 year deal?

Upset that we "overpaid" RoLo, KOQ, or D-Will? Isiah signed BOTH Jared Jeffries and Jerome James to 5-year $30 million contracts.

Concerned about coaching instability? We had 4 different coaches under Isiah, and really 5 if you count Don Chaney, who was fired when Isiah took over.

Mad about losing? This years team is currently on pace to win as many games as the Knicks' best year under Isiah. Think about that for a second. The Knicks also had the highest payroll in the NBA under Isiah and twice won just 23 games.

And Isiah did all this while also setting us back years by giving away 1st round picks and consistently trading expiring contracts for longer bad contracts. He's rightfully considered one of the worst GMs in the history of sports.

This is no where near the Isaiah years. At all.
People are very forgetful. I think they forgot last year.