Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[winforlose]

I really don't get why you bother debating with this guy.

On the way back to my dorm when I was a freshman I stopped in the middle of February at 1am debate religion with a Jahova’s witness who told me the good news. We went at for over an hour, all outdoors. I believe anyone can see the light

And that explains win in a nutshell.

I argued an Old Testament perspective saying that the first commandment undercuts the notion of the holy trinity. He didn’t like that. He especially didn’t like when I argued that if Hell is real, then people who violate the Ten Commandments have a higher risk of ending up there Especially if their path to redeeming their soul is to pray to someone who isn’t actually God. Thankfully he didn’t go murder hobo or stabby. Just a friendly discourse in freezing temperatures on the nature of the divine.

Sometimes having conversations you think are pointless can expand your knowledge base, or at the very least give you new perspective on other peoples views. A lot of great discoveries have been accidents. For example, people say KAT cannot play good defense. But in truth, he just sucks at drop coverage. Having the silly conversation actually helps you to see the high wall as an alternative. Now I didn’t have this conversation, but I imagine Chris Finch did .

[Klomp]

OK I have a couple of big ideas to go forward for those who have interest in moving on from Russell. I'm trying to not only look at player and contract types, but also front office relationships.

Orlando: I know there are those who disagree with his opinions and I know there's not a great health record, but there is still intrigue for me with Jonathan Isaac. His player type is valuable. Also keep in mind his missing last season lowered the guarantees in his deal quite a bit, giving us more of an out. I also look at a guy in Gary Harris who I know Tim Connelly valued a bunch in Denver and Matt Lloyd also has a history with these guys.

Washington: When talking about replacing Russell and the type of player to replace him with, the player who constantly comes to mind is Monte Morris. Another Connelly connection and he has a lot of similarities with Jordan McLaughlin in my mind. From there, you can go with another Connelly connection in Will Barton or could completely go all-in with size and just swap Russell for Porzingis.

[m2002brian]

I like the trade Kolmp.

To make salaries work, it may have to be DLo and Prince for Morris, Kuzma and Barton.

And, I hate to help the lakers, but, we could swing Barton to LA for Beverly.

[shrink]

If we are going to put the ball in Ant and Nowell’s hands more in the future, do we really need a traditional PG like DLo?

Can we get enough playmaking with Ant and Jaylen, and McLaughlin off the bench?

[Klomp]

OK, here's a thought going another blow-up direction for fun....

If we get to a point where we want to move on from Towns next summer, what kind of package could we fetch and who would be interested? One place that might be an intriguing team is one we've already faced twice this season. Not the Spurs, but a team who has a potentially perfect defensive complement at PF. A Holmgren/Towns combo is a great potential frontcourt. I don't know who would come back (I think they're way under cap so matching salaries not required), but I do think Giddey has enough playmaking to share the backcourt with Edwards and would be an intriguing return.

[m2002brian]

OK, here's a thought going another blow-up direction for fun....

If we get to a point where we want to move on from Towns next summer, what kind of package could we fetch and who would be interested? One place that might be an intriguing team is one we've already faced twice this season. Not the Spurs, but a team who has a potentially perfect defensive complement at PF. A Holmgren/Towns combo is a great potential frontcourt. I don't know who would come back (I think they're way under cap so matching salaries not required), but I do think Giddey has enough playmaking to share the backcourt with Edwards and would be an intriguing return.

If both teams fail to get past the first round...

Straight up KAT for Siakam.

Dlo sign and trade to a team looking for PG help (Nets after Kyrie goes to LA?) and build depth as Ant and Nowell take on primary ball handling duties. Maybe in a three way to bring back a competent PG for rough/tough opponents (Rubio).

[m2002brian]

On the way back to my dorm when I was a freshman I stopped in the middle of February at 1am debate religion with a Jahova’s witness who told me the good news. We went at for over an hour, all outdoors. I believe anyone can see the light

And that explains win in a nutshell.

I argued an Old Testament perspective saying that the first commandment undercuts the notion of the holy trinity. He didn’t like that. He especially didn’t like when I argued that if Hell is real, then people who violate the Ten Commandments have a higher risk of ending up there Especially if their path to redeeming their soul is to pray to someone who isn’t actually God. Thankfully he didn’t go murder hobo or stabby. Just a friendly discourse in freezing temperatures on the nature of the divine.

Sometimes having conversations you think are pointless can expand your knowledge base, or at the very least give you new perspective on other peoples views. A lot of great discoveries have been accidents. For example, people say KAT cannot play good defense. But in truth, he just sucks at drop coverage. Having the silly conversation actually helps you to see the high wall as an alternative. Now I didn’t have this conversation, but I imagine Chris Finch did .

I'll see the light when KAT sees the light.

He has ALL the talent, but a lack of self control. He needs to keep the wine in the bottle, the passes simple, and the ego at home.
He ca be a great teammate, a great scorer, and, as you stated, a good defender in the right system. He just doesn't seem to have the self recognition as to what his strength and weaknesses. You don't try new **** out in game, you do that in practice and during the summer. In the game you use all the tools you have matured enough to reliably gain an advantage over the other team. I wish the best for the man, as I do for anyone else. The light has to come to him and I hope it finds him. SOOOOOOO many players failed to succeed not because of lack of talent or work ethic, but because they lack the self awareness to know when to do and when not to do. Keep the game simple, shoot when you're open, drive when you have a lane, pass when you're covered, and know when you're beat (or another teammate is) to trust your guys got your back so you're not over helping (which then either results on a foul or someone else being wide open).

[winforlose]

For anyone with league pass, what do you guys think of Davion Mitchell? Someone suggested a trade yesterday of Dlo and Naz for Mitchell and Barnes. To make it work you would add Prince for Holmes as well. It is an interesting idea but I am not sure Barnes would accept a bench role, or that he could play 3/4 with Anderson. Mitchell as a POA defender and growing into the PG role with Nowell behind him seems like a good idea. Maybe re trade Barnes by the deadline even if it goes well.

[BlacJacMac]

For anyone with league pass, what do you guys think of Davion Mitchell? Someone suggested a trade yesterday of Dlo and Naz for Mitchell and Barnes. To make it work you would add Prince for Holmes as well. It is an interesting idea but I am not sure Barnes would accept a bench role, or that he could play 3/4 with Anderson. Mitchell as a POA defender and growing into the PG role with Nowell behind him seems like a good idea. Maybe re trade Barnes by the deadline even if it goes well.

I worry that he can't shoot at all. He's been awful in his NBA career so far and he couldn't shoot his first 2 years of college. And I always worry when a college player has an outlier season shooting the 3 on a limited sample. That's usually more of a red flag than a sign of actual growth.

But I do like the rest of his game and would have no problem trading DLo for him.

I'm not sure SAC would want DLo though...

[KGdaBom]

For anyone with league pass, what do you guys think of Davion Mitchell? Someone suggested a trade yesterday of Dlo and Naz for Mitchell and Barnes. To make it work you would add Prince for Holmes as well. It is an interesting idea but I am not sure Barnes would accept a bench role, or that he could play 3/4 with Anderson. Mitchell as a POA defender and growing into the PG role with Nowell behind him seems like a good idea. Maybe re trade Barnes by the deadline even if it goes well.

Davion Mitchell and Barnes would be the two worse players in that deal. No way in Hell.

[winforlose]

For anyone with league pass, what do you guys think of Davion Mitchell? Someone suggested a trade yesterday of Dlo and Naz for Mitchell and Barnes. To make it work you would add Prince for Holmes as well. It is an interesting idea but I am not sure Barnes would accept a bench role, or that he could play 3/4 with Anderson. Mitchell as a POA defender and growing into the PG role with Nowell behind him seems like a good idea. Maybe re trade Barnes by the deadline even if it goes well.

Davion Mitchell and Barnes would be the two worse players in that deal. No way in Hell.

Yeah, I fear Barnes and Anderson as the backup forwards. Also I don’t know enough about Mitchell to evaluate his true ceiling or his current floor. I just like the concept of a young Pat Bev style defender (which is what I read about him,) who can grow into his offense.

[m2002brian]

For anyone with league pass, what do you guys think of Davion Mitchell? Someone suggested a trade yesterday of Dlo and Naz for Mitchell and Barnes. To make it work you would add Prince for Holmes as well. It is an interesting idea but I am not sure Barnes would accept a bench role, or that he could play 3/4 with Anderson. Mitchell as a POA defender and growing into the PG role with Nowell behind him seems like a good idea. Maybe re trade Barnes by the deadline even if it goes well.

Davion Mitchell and Barnes would be the two worse players in that deal. No way in Hell.

Yeah, I fear Barnes and Anderson as the backup forwards. Also I don’t know enough about Mitchell to evaluate his true ceiling or his current floor. I just like the concept of a young Pat Bev style defender (which is what I read about him,) who can grow into his offense.

Remember when Okogie was going to grow into his offense? Although that is just anecdotal evidence.

[winforlose]

Davion Mitchell and Barnes would be the two worse players in that deal. No way in Hell.

Yeah, I fear Barnes and Anderson as the backup forwards. Also I don’t know enough about Mitchell to evaluate his true ceiling or his current floor. I just like the concept of a young Pat Bev style defender (which is what I read about him,) who can grow into his offense.

Remember when Okogie was going to grow into his offense? Although that is just anecdotal evidence.

have only ever seen him play us, and I don’t remember him at all. I am going only on what I read. In the absence of Fox he dropped decent numbers. But again, I am asking for opinions from people with first hand knowledge. Highlights and low lights are useless in evaluating a player, and I don’t have league pass. Sounds like Mitchell is a dud.

[shrink]

For the last couple of years, I thought Harrison Barnes would be a nice addition, as well as Jonathan Isaac in ORL. However, I think I need to break that habit. The addition of Gobert and Kyle Anderson kind of make them less valuable than before, and with salaries north of the MLE, I just think their added payroll is more than we could get out of them.

It’s boring, but right now, I don’t see what we really need. Maybe just a month to see what we’ve got. I am anxious to see how SloMo affects the entire team.

[Neeva]

Has it been three years since Isaac has played a game? That plus off court stuff, he is bad news.

[Neeva]

It’s nice not to read about Aaron Gordon ever again too.

[winforlose]

It’s nice not to read about Aaron Gordon ever again too.

This and ESPECIALLY BEN SIMMONS. That might be the single best bullet dodge in franchise history.

[winforlose]

Not saying I agree with this. But as a thought experiment.

Mid season you trade Dlo (who bounces back somewhat,) and KAT to the kings. You take back Murray and send Fox and Sabonis out as part of a multi team deal. We can add someone like Prince or Anderson to make this work as well as needed. For this exercise assume we keep Naz as Rudy’s backup, keep Nowell as our 6th man. Resign both players. Help me brainstorm this out.

In a different format

Wolves out: KAT, Dlo, and if necessary X, (X cannot be Naz, Nowell, Ant, Rudy, or MCD.)

Wolves in: Keegan Murray and Y (Y must come from at least one additional team.)

Kings in: KAT, Dlo, and X.

Kings out: Murray, Fox, and Sabonis.

Kings use the firepower bonus of KAT, and the option of either resigning or letting Dlo walk to rebuild. They still have Mitchell, Dlo, Hurter, Barnes, and KAT as a lineup which should make the play in. Plus a couple of decent bench pieces like Holmes and Monk and whatever else they bring in from the deal.

Again I don’t think this is going to happen. This is a thought experiment I have been toying with.

[Colbinii]

Not saying I agree with this. But as a thought experiment.

Mid season you trade Dlo (who bounces back somewhat,) and KAT to the kings. You take back Murray and send Fox and Sabonis out as part of a multi team deal. We can add someone like Prince or Anderson to make this work as well as needed. For this exercise assume we keep Naz as Rudy’s backup, keep Nowell as our 6th man. Resign both players. Help me brainstorm this out.

In a different format

Wolves out: KAT, Dlo, and if necessary X, (X cannot be Naz, Nowell, Ant, Rudy, or MCD.)

Wolves in: Keegan Murray and Y (Y must come from at least one additional team.)

Kings in: KAT, Dlo, and X.

Kings out: Murray, Fox, and Sabonis.

Kings use the firepower bonus of KAT, and the option of either resigning or letting Dlo walk to rebuild. They still have Mitchell, Dlo, Hurter, Barnes, and KAT as a lineup which should make the play in. Plus a couple of decent bench pieces like Holmes and Monk and whatever else they bring in from the deal.

Again I don’t think this is going to happen. This is a thought experiment I have been toying with.

I dont see a reason to trade Towns, and if we do trade Towns, I would require a prospect like Scoot Henderson coming back.

[Slim Tubby]

Not saying I agree with this. But as a thought experiment.

Mid season you trade Dlo (who bounces back somewhat,) and KAT to the kings. You take back Murray and send Fox and Sabonis out as part of a multi team deal. We can add someone like Prince or Anderson to make this work as well as needed. For this exercise assume we keep Naz as Rudy’s backup, keep Nowell as our 6th man. Resign both players. Help me brainstorm this out.

In a different format

Wolves out: KAT, Dlo, and if necessary X, (X cannot be Naz, Nowell, Ant, Rudy, or MCD.)

Wolves in: Keegan Murray and Y (Y must come from at least one additional team.)

Kings in: KAT, Dlo, and X.

Kings out: Murray, Fox, and Sabonis.

Kings use the firepower bonus of KAT, and the option of either resigning or letting Dlo walk to rebuild. They still have Mitchell, Dlo, Hurter, Barnes, and KAT as a lineup which should make the play in. Plus a couple of decent bench pieces like Holmes and Monk and whatever else they bring in from the deal.

Again I don’t think this is going to happen. This is a thought experiment I have been toying with.

I dont see a reason to trade Towns, and if we do trade Towns, I would require a prospect like Scoot Henderson coming back.

If the Nets completely implode and they decide to hit the re-start button, would you consider moving KAT for Durant?