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[zimpy27]

No.

I wouldn't either, I think Cavs should go with the Bucks offer.

[Fotis St]

A question to you all:

Would you guys trade Brogdon, Middleton, 1st round pick for ITflaw, Crowder, Zizic, Brooklyn 1st?

No.

Kyrie >> Brooklyn's '18 1st

Maybe
Brooklyn's '18 1st > Kyrie in 2021-2222 but Giannis could be gone by then.

No time to develop a project. Giannis clock is ticking

[LuessiT]

A question to you all:

Would you guys trade Brogdon, Middleton, 1st round pick for ITflaw, Crowder, Zizic, Brooklyn 1st?

I think since the 1st. round pick and Zizic have about equal value and we don't have a need for another center, you can take both out to simplify the trade since we don't need a big anyway. If IT is healthy enough to play one more season (at least in the playoffs) I'd do it. I probably like Crowder more than most and I don't rate Middleton that highly so take it with a grain of salt.

[Chapter29]

Was over at RealCavsFans last night posting in this thread.

http://realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?threads/welcome-isaiah-thomass-injured-hip.48253/page-42

They are wildly overinflating Kyrie's trade value based off what they hypothetically got from Boston (I.e. Had IT actually been 100% healthy). They aren't getting that from other teams. I was pushing the Mids, Brogdon, #1 deal and they also wanted Thon or Jabari in the trade.

I wouldn't do what's proposed and they want more? Yeah right. Perhaps we could throw in Giannis for good measure?

[BucksFanSD]

Was over at RealCavsFans last night posting in this thread.

http://realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?threads/welcome-isaiah-thomass-injured-hip.48253/page-42

They are wildly overinflating Kyrie's trade value based off what they hypothetically got from Boston (I.e. Had IT actually been 100% healthy). They aren't getting that from other teams. I was pushing the Mids, Brogdon, #1 deal and they also wanted Thon or Jabari in the trade.

I wouldn't do what's proposed and they want more? Yeah right. Perhaps we could throw in Giannis for good measure?

It is a little hard to read that forum. They admit Irving has serious flaws that in some ways hurt the team but want serious value for him. Brogdon and Middleton are team first players and analytics will support the Cavs getting fair if not better value. Also read over there that Shumpert for Crowder and Zizic would be a fair deal, which it's not. I am looking forward to the market playing itself out for Irving along with these rivals in a trade staredown.

[raferfenix]

What do the Cavs do at PG when Rose gets hurt in addition to IT?

Cleveland's best case scenario is that Rose can hold the fort until IT comes back.

I'm glad I'm not pinning hopes of keeping Lebron happy on a plan like that.

[paulpressey25]

I wouldn't do what's proposed and they want more? Yeah right. Perhaps we could throw in Giannis for good measure?

I floated the concept of Brogdon, Middleton, Monroe for Kyrie and Schumpert. I'm not sure I want to do that deal myself. But yes, they shot it down, saying we'd have to replace Monroe with Thon.

Good guys but they've got this inflated sense of Kyrie's worth. Other teams just won't step up and offer anything much greater than Boston. Think few teams would offer as much as the Nets pick and Crowder/Zizic even without IT.

[jute2003]

I mean...its not surprising that they're homers. This board is better than most and it's still full of raging homers and knowitalls.

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[Ron Swanson]

Yeah, reading through that forum gave me a headache. Could only make it a few pages through. I don't underrate Kyrie to the point of dumping on him like a lot of people, but there's homerism, then there's delusion.

[thonnisbeastley]

I wouldn't give up Brogdon and Middleton for Kyrie let alone adding a first..

No need to give Giannis any reason for demanding his own trade or refusing to talk to the Bucks when his contract is up. Kyrie Irving will do just that, if he even resigns to stay in Milwaukee. Brogdon and Middleton compliment Giannis way more than Kyrie and they won't demand to run the team through themselves the same way this ego maniac will.

Trade the most intelligent and level headed back court in the NBA that will both continue to improve for a couple of years while keeping Gianni's happy for the Kim Kardashian of PGs who is what he is and who will leave this team in ruins after one season? No thanks..

[zimpy27]

I wouldn't give up Brogdon and Middleton for Kyrie let alone adding a first..

No need to give Giannis any reason for demanding his own trade or refusing to talk to the Bucks when his contract is up. Kyrie Irving will do just that, if he even resigns to stay in Milwaukee. Brogdon and Middleton compliment Giannis way more than Kyrie and they won't demand to run the team through themselves the same way this ego maniac will.

Trade the most intelligent and level headed back court in the NBA that will both continue to improve for a couple of years while keeping Gianni's happy for the Kim Kardashian of PGs who is what he is and who will leave this team in ruins after one season? No thanks..

The guy Giannis most resembles would've won 2 of 3 championships with kyire riding shotgun for all 3. Not to mention with a Kyrie that was not yet in his prime.

Kyrie and Giannis would be the perennial eastern conference team favourite.
I'd say Snell, vaughn, Jabari, Monroe, thon will be the equivalent to jr, shump, love, TT, frye in a year or two.

[Gianstoppable]

I wouldn't give up Brogdon and Middleton for Kyrie let alone adding a first..

No need to give Giannis any reason for demanding his own trade or refusing to talk to the Bucks when his contract is up. Kyrie Irving will do just that, if he even resigns to stay in Milwaukee. Brogdon and Middleton compliment Giannis way more than Kyrie and they won't demand to run the team through themselves the same way this ego maniac will.

Trade the most intelligent and level headed back court in the NBA that will both continue to improve for a couple of years while keeping Gianni's happy for the Kim Kardashian of PGs who is what he is and who will leave this team in ruins after one season? No thanks..

So why do we still need guard help if this is true?

[Fotis St]

I love the Kyrie - Giannis duo.

And if it doesn't work out... We trade Kyrie as an expiring next summer for Brooklyn's pick or McCollum or Wall/Beal/Porter or Conley or something... (assumimg their team sucks and panic)

A team will give a shot for expiring Kyrie just like the Pelicans got Cousins mid season giving up a young prospect, OKC offered Oladipo+Sabonis.

But this is not the reason I am doing this trade. I strongly believe both Giannis and Kyrie will improve and both going to discussed for MVP like the Westbrook and Durant duo.

[Fotis St]

I wouldn't give up Brogdon and Middleton for Kyrie let alone adding a first..

No need to give Giannis any reason for demanding his own trade or refusing to talk to the Bucks when his contract is up. Kyrie Irving will do just that, if he even resigns to stay in Milwaukee. Brogdon and Middleton compliment Giannis way more than Kyrie and they won't demand to run the team through themselves the same way this ego maniac will.

Trade the most intelligent and level headed back court in the NBA that will both continue to improve for a couple of years while keeping Gianni's happy for the Kim Kardashian of PGs who is what he is and who will leave this team in ruins after one season? No thanks..

So why do we still need guard help if this is true?

Cause an intelligent head needs a high skilled, near elite body to make a difference. Brogdon and Khris are too slow.

[HurricaneKid]

I love the Kyrie - Giannis duo.

And if it doesn't work out... We trade Kyrie as an expiring next summer for Brooklyn's pick or McCollum or Wall/Beal/Porter or Conley or something... (assumimg their team sucks and panic)

A team will give a shot for expiring Kyrie just like the Pelicans got Cousins mid season giving up a young prospect, OKC offered Oladipo+Sabonis.

But this is not the reason I am doing this trade. I strongly believe both Giannis and Kyrie will improve and both going to discussed for MVP like the Westbrook and Durant duo.

You are kidding yourself if you think there will be an offer like that for him after this season. Indy just got Dipo on a bad deal for an expiring PG13.

I felt relief when he was traded elsewhere. I really don't think he can do anything outside of his magical ISO play.

[thonnisbeastley]

I wouldn't give up Brogdon and Middleton for Kyrie let alone adding a first..

No need to give Giannis any reason for demanding his own trade or refusing to talk to the Bucks when his contract is up. Kyrie Irving will do just that, if he even resigns to stay in Milwaukee. Brogdon and Middleton compliment Giannis way more than Kyrie and they won't demand to run the team through themselves the same way this ego maniac will.

Trade the most intelligent and level headed back court in the NBA that will both continue to improve for a couple of years while keeping Gianni's happy for the Kim Kardashian of PGs who is what he is and who will leave this team in ruins after one season? No thanks..

The guy Giannis most resembles would've won 2 of 3 championships with kyire riding shotgun for all 3. Not to mention with a Kyrie that was not yet in his prime.

Kyrie and Giannis would be the perennial eastern conference team favourite.
I'd say Snell, vaughn, Jabari, Monroe, thon will be the equivalent to jr, shump, love, TT, frye in a year or two.

While I love the upside of this team to think that Vaughn, Snell, Jabari, or Thon will ever be as impactful as JR, Shumpert, Love, or TT is wishful thinking. Almost as much so as thinking that Giannis is already superior to Lebron and that Cleveland would have won with Giannis over Lebron. You are seriously **** all over Lebron's greatness right here.. and I am no fan of Lebron.

I pray and hope that Jabari can become the player he was expected to be, but to think that after blowing out two ACL's he will ever reach Kevin Love's level is unrealistic at this point.(see Derrick Rose) Thon could be that guy. But he could also turn out to be less impactful than TT. Snell could become as impactful as JR in his own way, or he could be who he is. He definitely doesn't have the athletic upside and scoring punch of JR, nor the potential to reach that level. Vaughn? Let's be real.

I honestly believe that 3 years of Brogdon, Middleton and Giannis growing together as a core will reap more benefits and better playoff records than a two year experiment of Kyrie Irving who will destroy the team's chemistry and all that we have built over the last few years. If you're ready to give the keys of the franchise over to an egotistical drama queen like Kyrie who demands to run the show all while alienating Giannis who just signed for less money than he potentially could have in order for them to build a better team around him then go for it. Have fun watching the **** show of Kyrie, Vaughn, Snell, Giannis, and Thon. Kyrie will refuse to pass the ball to Vaughn or Snell after watching them brick a couple of shots and instead will go for the Brandon Jennings superhero plays. Meanwhile Giannis will be furious as Kyrie blatantly passes him up possession after possession, until he has had enough and demands a trade after the season.

[thonnisbeastley]

I wouldn't give up Brogdon and Middleton for Kyrie let alone adding a first..

No need to give Giannis any reason for demanding his own trade or refusing to talk to the Bucks when his contract is up. Kyrie Irving will do just that, if he even resigns to stay in Milwaukee. Brogdon and Middleton compliment Giannis way more than Kyrie and they won't demand to run the team through themselves the same way this ego maniac will.

Trade the most intelligent and level headed back court in the NBA that will both continue to improve for a couple of years while keeping Gianni's happy for the Kim Kardashian of PGs who is what he is and who will leave this team in ruins after one season? No thanks..

So why do we still need guard help if this is true?

Will we still need guard help with a back court of Kyrie, Vaughn, and Snell? or are we good enough to go win a championship with that trio?

[SirChurros]

It's fun to talk about getting Kyrie (or not depending on your stance), but this trade is ultimately going to go through one way or another.

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[BuckHole]

I wouldn't give up Brogdon and Middleton for Kyrie let alone adding a first..

No need to give Giannis any reason for demanding his own trade or refusing to talk to the Bucks when his contract is up. Kyrie Irving will do just that, if he even resigns to stay in Milwaukee. Brogdon and Middleton compliment Giannis way more than Kyrie and they won't demand to run the team through themselves the same way this ego maniac will.

Trade the most intelligent and level headed back court in the NBA that will both continue to improve for a couple of years while keeping Gianni's happy for the Kim Kardashian of PGs who is what he is and who will leave this team in ruins after one season? No thanks..

The guy Giannis most resembles would've won 2 of 3 championships with kyire riding shotgun for all 3. Not to mention with a Kyrie that was not yet in his prime.

Kyrie and Giannis would be the perennial eastern conference team favourite.
I'd say Snell, vaughn, Jabari, Monroe, thon will be the equivalent to jr, shump, love, TT, frye in a year or two.

While I love the upside of this team to think that Vaughn, Snell, Jabari, or Thon will ever be as impactful as JR, Shumpert, Love, or TT is wishful thinking. Almost as much so as thinking that Giannis is already superior to Lebron and that Cleveland would have won with Giannis over Lebron. You are seriously **** all over Lebron's greatness right here.. and I am no fan of Lebron.

I pray and hope that Jabari can become the player he was expected to be, but to think that after blowing out two ACL's he will ever reach Kevin Love's level is unrealistic at this point.(see Derrick Rose) Thon could be that guy. But he could also turn out to be less impactful than TT. Snell could become as impactful as JR in his own way, or he could be who he is. He definitely doesn't have the athletic upside and scoring punch of JR, nor the potential to reach that level. Vaughn? Let's be real.

I honestly believe that 3 years of Brogdon, Middleton and Giannis growing together as a core will reap more benefits and better playoff records than a two year experiment of Kyrie Irving who will destroy the team's chemistry and all that we have built over the last few years. If you're ready to give the keys of the franchise over to an egotistical drama queen like Kyrie who demands to run the show all while alienating Giannis who just signed for less money than he potentially could have in order for them to build a better team around him then go for it. Have fun watching the **** show of Kyrie, Vaughn, Snell, Giannis, and Thon. Kyrie will refuse to pass the ball to Vaughn or Snell after watching them brick a couple of shots and instead will go for the Brandon Jennings superhero plays. Meanwhile Giannis will be furious as Kyrie blatantly passes him up possession after possession, until he has had enough and demands a trade after the season.

The ACL isn't painful or something that once it's been properly stretched out (rehabbed) isn't a problem. The meniscus, once torn, damaged, or snipped-out is the issue and will cause pain, inflammation, discomfort. The story is Jabari only tore his ACL, meniscus is fine. I think Jabari comes back where he left off and continues to climb to his ceiling. Source: I've torn an ACL and my meniscus.