Official Trade Thread Part XLV

[nate33]

Who owns the Bucks?
You guys are spending his money with great abandon!

What Dat2U said.

No owner can dismantle a contending team built around a superstar player just because they want to save money. If the luxtax cost is too high, their only recourse is to trade Giannis.

[payitforward]

Well, I wouldn't presume to predict what the Bucks do. But, overall, to echo what you said about Jrue, they are getting old in a hurry (w/ the exception of Giannis, of course). Given that fact -- & that they were just eliminated in R1 of the playoffs -- maybe they are at the end of their window to contend....? We'll see.

[bulletproof_32]

Would Beal sign off on a sactown trade to team up with fox and sabonis? Multi team trade with young guys and picks coming back?

[Kanyewest]

Hank Azaria (yeah the guy from the Simpsons) says he's heard that the Knicks could trade for Beal or Lillard. While Azaria says he prefers Lillard, Beal might actually be a better fit next to Brunson.

[NatP4]

Would Beal sign off on a sactown trade to team up with fox and sabonis? Multi team trade with young guys and picks coming back?

And live in Sacramento??? I doubt it

He’s going to New York, Miami, or Boston IMO

[pcbothwel]

Agreed Nat. I really think Brooklyn HAS to make a move. Their market and ownership have ZERO patience, and they dont have their own picks. No reason for them to slowly rebuild.
I love the possibility of the Suns pick in 2027 and they need to move Simmons.
They are also one of the few teams where a deadline deal works out well. They probably want Simmons to prove he is at least playable.

[9 and 20]

Hank Azaria (yeah the guy from the Simpsons) says he's heard that the Knicks could trade for Beal or Lillard. While Azaria says he prefers Lillard, Beal might actually be a better fit next to Brunson.

What does Ja Rule have to say about this????

Beal on the Knicks would be really good, actually. I agree. And the Knicks could cobble together enough stuff that we won't look like complete clowns in trading Beal either, which I know is something Terd will focus on.

[dckingsfan]

Hank Azaria (yeah the guy from the Simpsons) says he's heard that the Knicks could trade for Beal or Lillard. While Azaria says he prefers Lillard, Beal might actually be a better fit next to Brunson.

What would the trade look like?

[Kanyewest]

Hank Azaria (yeah the guy from the Simpsons) says he's heard that the Knicks could trade for Beal or Lillard. While Azaria says he prefers Lillard, Beal might actually be a better fit next to Brunson.

What would the trade look like?

A couple of imaginary trades

Beal for Fournier, RJ, Quickley and Pick(s)

Beal for Fournier, Toppin, Grimes, Quickley and Pick(s)

According to the trade machine, the Knicks can take in more salary.

[Rafael122]

Hank Azaria (yeah the guy from the Simpsons) says he's heard that the Knicks could trade for Beal or Lillard. While Azaria says he prefers Lillard, Beal might actually be a better fit next to Brunson.

What would the trade look like?

A couple of imaginary trades

Beal for Fournier, RJ, Quickley and Pick(s)

Beal for Fournier, Toppin, Grimes, Quickley and Pick(s)

According to the trade machine, the Knicks can take in more salary.

Knicks were a team I was thinking of the other night as a team that needs a scorer/closer. I would not hesitate to trade Beal to the Knicks. He's got the NTC so no idea if he would actually accept a trade there but I would take Fournier, Toppin, Grimes and Quickley for Brad straight up. Forget the picks.

I was even thinking of something smaller like Fournier, Rose, Toppin and Grimes. Rose has a club option, so it's essentially Fournier, Toppin, Grimes and our pick that we would get back.

[badinage]

We’d have to get the pick back plus at LEAST another FRP.

Plus Quickley.

Plus Grimes.

Plus Hart.

[payitforward]

We’d have to get the pick back plus at LEAST another FRP.

Plus Quickley.

Plus Grimes.

Plus Hart.

You're suggesting Beal for a R1 pick plus Quickley, Grimes & Hart?
Plus another R1 pick?

I can't begin to imagine the Knicks having any interest in that deal. With or w/o the additional R1 pick.

Beal turns 30 next month. He's entering his 12th season. He is now multiple seasons away from his last really good year. He comes with an extremely burdensome contract.

TBH, right now I'd rather have any one of Quickley, Grimes or Hart than Beal. Forget the pick. Hart's the best at present, but he's already 28. Quickley doesn't turn 24 for a month. & Grimes just turned 23 on Monday.

Trading Brad, given his current contract, is going to be difficult -- maybe not the long shot trading Wall was, but not easy either!

[Kanyewest]

We’d have to get the pick back plus at LEAST another FRP.

Plus Quickley.

Plus Grimes.

Plus Hart.

You're suggesting Beal for a R1 pick plus Quickley, Grimes & Hart?
Plus another R1 pick?

I can't begin to imagine the Knicks having any interest in that deal. With or w/o the additional R1 pick.

Beal turns 30 next month. He's entering his 12th season. He is now multiple seasons away from his last really good year. He comes with an extremely burdensome contract.

TBH, right now I'd rather have any one of Quickley, Grimes or Hart than Beal. Forget the pick. Hart's the best at present, but he's already 28. Quickley doesn't turn 24 for a month. & Grimes just turned 23 on Monday.

Trading Brad, given his current contract, is going to be difficult -- maybe not the long shot trading Wall was, but not easy either!

The Knicks will probably keep Hart - since he's a free agent. But the Knicks giving a first round pick or 2 may not be a big deal to them since they have 6 first round picks from 2024-2027. They may want to cash in some chips to win now, the question is if Beal is their desired target.

[payitforward]

I believe that they are already $10m over the lux tax. Hard to see how they'd be able accommodate Brad, esp. given his contract. Or why they'd want to take that burden on in the first place.

Above all, it's starting to seem like there's an odd over-estimation of Bradley Beal's value at this point in his career & given the financial burden he brings with him. I could be wrong....

[Jay81]

I believe that they are already $10m over the lux tax. Hard to see how they'd be able accommodate Brad, esp. given his contract. Or why they'd want to take that burden on in the first place.

Above all, it's starting to seem like there's an odd over-estimation of Bradley Beal's value at this point in his career & given the financial burden he brings with him. I could be wrong....

Brad ranks somewhere between 40 and 75 so….

[payitforward]

Not going to debate rankings of that kind.
In any case, it's also possible that other teams rank him highly. Not to mention that the more we get in a trade the better!

All the same, even if he's "between 40 and 75," is he paid as if he were in that range? Or is he paid a huge lot more? Not to mention guaranteed until he's 34 or 35 -- will he be as good a player then as he was a few years ago?

Still -- I hope we clean up in a trade! I just can't see it happening -- doesn't mean that what I can see is predictive of anything....

[badinage]

We’d have to get the pick back plus at LEAST another FRP.

Plus Quickley.

Plus Grimes.

Plus Hart.

You're suggesting Beal for a R1 pick plus Quickley, Grimes & Hart?
Plus another R1 pick?

I can't begin to imagine the Knicks having any interest in that deal. With or w/o the additional R1 pick.

Beal turns 30 next month. He's entering his 12th season. He is now multiple seasons away from his last really good year. He comes with an extremely burdensome contract.

TBH, right now I'd rather have any one of Quickley, Grimes or Hart than Beal. Forget the pick. Hart's the best at present, but he's already 28. Quickley doesn't turn 24 for a month. & Grimes just turned 23 on Monday.

Trading Brad, given his current contract, is going to be difficult -- maybe not the long shot trading Wall was, but not easy either!

You have to consider that Beal’s value isn’t just where he is now in the pecking order. Right? Not amazing. Top 40, say.

But his perceived value? It’s very high.

Because he’s regarded as a piece that can change a team’s fortunes. Those kinds of players don’t happen along very often. Put him in the right circumstance, and a team is going to the finals. Or going from pretty good to very good.

Teams will make a big move for that. Book it.

[pcbothwel]

I believe that they are already $10m over the lux tax. Hard to see how they'd be able accommodate Brad, esp. given his contract. Or why they'd want to take that burden on in the first place.

Above all, it's starting to seem like there's an odd over-estimation of Bradley Beal's value at this point in his career & given the financial burden he brings with him. I could be wrong....

PIF. No team is simply adding Beal's salary to the roster. The Knicks, for example, would be sending out 2 of Fournier, Barrett, and Randle. So they are paying for the talent upgrade without taking on much ADDITIONAL salary.

And not to beat a dead horse, but the Beal-Brown-Barrett/Founier 3-way trade is almost too perfect.
- Knicks add a Thibs-Type 2-way wing and someone who fits perfect next to Brunson in Brown.
- Celtics get Beal, who I think is a better fit with Tatum given their relationship. Beal will fully accept being the Robin to Tatum's Batman wheras Brown is still trying to prove he's the guy. They downgrade on defense, but they improve their shooting, ball movement, and playmaking in the backcourt.
- Wiz rebuild by taking on Barrett and Fournier's contract and getting our pick back along with a few other pieces. I'd assume we'd need DAL/NYK 2024 1st, Our 1st, and probably the 2025 Milwaukee 1st.
The Barrett contract is a real wildcard. He's been pretty bad his first 4 years, but he's young (15 months younger than Kispert) and looks good in the playoffs. Might be worth buying low and see how he develops.

[Jay81]

Maxey is better than Beal so that trade is not happening right?

[gesa2]

Maxey is better than Beal so that trade is not happening right?

No way I’d do it if I was the Sixers. Brad has some advantages as a half court scorer and is a little bigger than Maxie so in theory could hold up on D better (reality says Brad has rarely been good on that end and has given poor effort for so long it’s doubtful he can change)
But Brad’s age, injury history and contract make it a no brainer.